40 years old. 6’3” 260 pounds. Body fat around 25-30.
Currently at 250mg a week of test with anastrozole and hcg. Used test for about 10 years now.
Looking to push past a plateau, drop some fat, and gain some lean muscle.
Thinking about adding 150 tren ace and maybe 10-20mg of anavar a week to test the waters, see reaction, and go from there. Maybe a 6-8 week cycle.
Have lots of cycle support supplements and PCT ready to go.
Went with ace in case it doesn’t agree with me and I can get it out of my system quickly.
My question is, should I stagger everything? For example, tren monday, var Wednesday, test/anny/hcg friday?
Also, I’ve heard the sexual drive boost can be almost unbearable. Like you almost need women on standby because you’re damn near a sexual freak. Is it really that bad?
If your on TRT you don’t need to PCT unless you meant you’ve been using test off and on for 10 years?
Keep your test how you have been taking it. The trenA should be taken every day or at least evey other day. Var should be every day split dose so 2 times per day. Anastrozole should be taken as needed. If your doing the same amount of test you have been doing you should know if you even need it or not. Why are you taking HCG?
You are on 250mg of Test a week and still struggling? Tough love time. Thats a very high dose for TRT and if you can’t get down to a normal BF, why would Tren/Var make a difference?
I don’t see the point. Nothing you do in 6-8 weeks is going to stick for very long before reverting back to your former self. A lifestyle change would be far more effective.
No, with Tren Ace you pin ED or EOD at most. Var is daily.
TRT has been stable for 10 years. Low T was due to a testicle being removed due to cancer 20 years ago. Didn’t have too much of an issue till around 30 years old.
The PCT is mainly for after the tren/var cycle.
HCG is what the clinic gives me. I get an anastrozole tablet and an hcg injection with the test each week.
I would listen to @blshaw. He is correct re: your current bodyfat state. The drugs will not take fat off. Diet and proper training at the dose you are taking should be mope than enough to drop body fat and retain the muscle you have.
You don’t need a PCT here. You are on TRT.
Why? You plan on having kids? I’m no expert on HCG so asking the question.
I’m pretty new to all of this, so bear with me. Didn’t want to do anything till I asked a trusted source.
Everything I have seen talked about a PCT no matter what due to the extra strain on the liver and such. I should clarify, the PCT will be supplements taken to help with liver repair, etc.
You are confusing PCT with cycle support. I have never used cycle support items for liver etc but some do. Thats still not PCT. PCT stands for Post Cycle Therapy which is a term coined for drugs like HCG and SERMs to kick start the HPTA. It has nothing to do with your liver.
As said, you don’t PCT when you are on TRT, or blast n cruise, in your case. You didn’t mention what the meds were, but it’s likely to be pointless to use them.
Mainly just doing a trial run. See how I react to everything.
I’m lower than I thought. Tested at 22% body fat. I thought I would be higher because I’m naturally a thicker guy. I agree I do need to change some things up though. Need to cutout some junk soon.
Would it still be the planned 150 mg and 10-20 mg var at that rate? I would have never guessed so much.
Sorry let me clarify. If you wanted approx 150mg a week of Tren Ace you would pin something like 20mg/day. That would get you close enough at 140mg/wk. Then with the var you would take 5mg in the morn and 5mg in the afternoon for a 10mg daily dose. If not enough, you could double it for your 20mg target. Does that make sense?
Hopefully you have figured out that this is a bad idea.
Drop body fat and do more research. The fact that you confused cycle support with PCT indicates you have more research to do. You also need to understand potential prolactin issues on Tren.
I know what PCT is. I have supplements for cycle support and PCT. What I was recommended in other places was a PCT for liver and system repair while still taking the trt.
It isn’t a normal PCT that would be for leveling natural hormone levels, no. Strictly to help reverse liver damage/strain and flush your system.
By prolactin issue, do you mean gynecomastia? Because I’ve read it’s the progestogenic activity of tren, not prolactin that does it. And that the anti-estrogen I currently use should take care of that. But that if I felt sensitivity, to bump up the ani.
Is that not correct?
Hey - I’m glad you’re fired up, but you’re no where near ready to do a cycle. As mentioned above, you’re too fat - Tren and Anavar would be a waste. If you have money and just want to be a tren monkey, go for it. My 16 year old son has buddies on his wrestling team that want to do tren as well. It seems to be trending - pun intended.
And, you have no idea what you are doing.
Why do you need liver support? What CBC numbers are important when taking an oral? What is the difference between Arimidex and Nolva? Aromasin and Proviron? When should you be taking Cabergoline?
Whatever you were recommended in other places, disregard.
Don’t do anything but test until you get to at least 15% bodyfat - 12% would be better. And, lower your test, get a blood test and check your hematocrit, and get off HCG unless you want to have kids.
I’m on 150mg a week (that’s the line between the five and the one on my syringe) that I shoot subq (know what that means?) and I am at 16% BF. I take nothing else and donate blood every eight weeks - do you know why?
Most blast and cruisers know all of the answers to these questions. They are important.
I’ve been way down body fat percentage before, into the 9-10 range. I hated it. Felt like crap. I feel my best in the high teens. Not too concerned with looking “shredded.” I’m extremely strong, even at 40, and feel better with some chunk. Luckily, I don’t have a belly. Pretty evenly thick throughout.
You’re absolutely right. Trying to gain as much knowledge before I do anything.
From what I’ve read and been told, tren is going to strain the liver hard. It was recommended, especially with already being on other things, to “flush” the liver after the tren cycle with liver supporting supplements to speed up repairs. Aside from that, I have various enzymes and vitamins (like B6) that are supposed to help with the most common side effects.
The amount of test I’m on is what has been prescribed by a doctor. Their blood tests (every 8 weeks) has me at this dosage. It is where I have been for quite a while now. The HCG is also what they told me is necessary with extended trt. If I remember correctly, it is to keep from tissue degradation in the remaining testicle.
My dosage of test is high. Even the doctor says so. We’re not sure why it takes such a high dose to get my total and free test to the levels they want them at. They even switched to a longer needle thinking I was leaking after injections.
I’m guessing due to hemoglobin? Mine spikes every once in a while, but generally levels out. Actually, I found a strange correlation with my hemoglobin levels and coconut. If I drink coconut water or eat coconut, my hemoglobin spikes. It’s really strange.
I’ve never donated blood in the 10 years I’ve been on trt. Is there another benefit I’m not aware of?
I agree. I’ll definitely keep reading. Any sources you recommend? There’s so much junk to sift through. Hard to find viable information.
They have Tren Twins over on the YouTube now! Two teens making a killing on social media by talking about how much AAS they take and flexing for the camera. Blows my goddam mind
I saw my ALT/AST get into the high 40’s after a 12 week run of 48.5mg Oxandrolone daily. It was above range but i’m not sure it was super harmful. I’ve seen guys post labs with those values in the triple digits.