Also, I read someone recovered (for the most part) from deca dick by going on proviron and creatine for a few months, then just creatine for 2 months after that.
Anyone have thoughts on why/how the creatine would have helped the recovery?
I wanted to PM you but apparently that is not possible.
Have you read this thread? Cured after 11 years - Member Stories - propeciahelp.com
Apparently this guy took high doses of just Proviron (200mg) for 7 weeks and then when he came off of it he started to recover over time. His theory was that androgen receptors were over sensitized (which creates receptor silencing through epigenetics). So to re-sensitize them, he took high doses of Proviron and eventually they lowered.
Curious if you were interested in trying that?
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Hell yeah, I saw that post (I go by “Renegade” there). I’m very interested in trying that.
It prompted me to post an update here and start learning a little more about the Proviron. It’s ordered and the plan is to run 50mg for 2 weeks, then 100mg for 6 more. No test - my problems/goals are different from most here, so I don’t want to hear a ton of flaming. I expect to feel like shit for a while but eventually get ARs appropriately sensitized. If 100mg doesn’t do it, then the next cycle will go up to 200mg.
I was thinking of trying proviron also at 50mg or so. Do you think not going go to a high dose right away could be a mistake?
If the idea is to desensitize receptors or reset them, would a gradual dose increase or common starting dose allow our body to adjust as always? Or would we be able to get through that just by being on 50-100 for an extended period?
I’m still trying to figure out the course. That, and making sure I’m able to get legit product. Bayer, preferably.
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That is a good question. Only one way to find out if 100mg is enough. No particular reason that I’m tapering up, except to make my supply last a full 8 weeks. If I get to a point where I don’t “feel” the negative effects very much (doubtful), I will start blasting the full 200mg until the end.
I do think it’s important that you withdraw from it cold turkey - no taper, so as to create a situation opposite to that of our withdrawal from Fin/Dut.
Yeah… the guy that got it to work withdrew all at once. I know a different guy crashed stopping the dht cream all at once. But, it was working well for him until then.
I think, like it’s been mentioned by others, you want to feel crappy. If you feel good boosting dht a quick stop may hurt you. Does that make sense? Maybe dose is dependent on you feeling rough.
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The guy running the trial now is past 2 weeks and feeling awful. Worth it to wait a month to see how this guy feels? He’s talking about stopping.
Yeah I’d be interested in how it goes for him. At this rate, it could be a month before mine arrives anyway.
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Old thread I realize but wanted to chime in if you’re still around. I began trt after an illness, got off for fertility, and as of two weeks ago I am back on. The last year & a half of my last trt run I added 200 primo a week to try and get a little more libido / mood / energy lift as I never felt that on test or test with hcg. I didn’t like how I felt on hcg either. This journey took me down a lot of rabbit holes doing research on hormones, test, and dopamine. I looked great on the trt+ protocol and my levels were 1100 total test, 22 E, and low SHBg with my lipid staying in range. I added great weight and was vascular. All good with the exception of mediocre libido and lack of focus (adhd diagnosed). I think I might have latent PFS as I took dutasteride in the early 2000s. In hindsight I don’t think my thinning hair was MPB but possibly a systemic inflammation response (underlying illness).
Now I am experimenting with 175 test e and 50 mast e. I haven’t gotten labs done as it’s early in the process but I have noticed that over the last week I have morning wood any time I wake in the night or when i start my day. It’s anecdotal but I am assuming that the infusion of test and dht into my system. Oddly enough I usually don’t have this so it’s a welcome change.
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Someone posted that proviron has been used for drug resistant depression and I found that interesting.
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Yeah, I haven’t been on this sight in a long time, but as long as TN still pings my email, I’m around. It’s been a really long time since I dutasted myself, but I’m doing much better these days.
After a lot more research, I decided to run a low dose of Trestolone/MENT back in Jan-Feb last year, which seemed to knock something loose…in a good way. It was somewhat hard to tolerate since I’m particularly susceptible to E2 side effects (mainly gyno and bloat/blood pressure), but it was one of those last ditch efforts, aka nuclear option type of thing. Many of the benefits seemed to have stuck, like relief from the debilitating fatigue, brain fog, and low libido. I plan on doing another cycle with a higher Mast-to-Trest ratio next time, and adding a Lithium Orotate supplement to it for (theoretical) demethylation / epigenetic healing.
Another hidden gem I found was Raloxifene, strangely enough. I’ve tried Clomiphene, Enclomiphone, and Tamoxifen, but those all made me feel worse, despite increasing T on paper. Ralox would probably be close to useless for most people not using it on cycle for gyno protection, but there must be something about my case of PFS that it helps. It is one of the best body re-compers I’ve tried yet. Very wierd stuff.
P.S. My androgens are working much better now, so if anyone tries to pull that condescending bro-talk shit on me like in those previous posts, you’re going to get a digital ass-kicking!
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Interesting. You took ralox while off cycle and not on trt? Just as an Hail Mary type solution?
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Did the test and mast fix your libido?
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Great to read, I have PFS too. Doing a HCG monocycle, no real improvements though.
So did you take test + MENT or other things too, how long and what dosage? Your libido improved significantly?
Thanks for the update
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I didn’t take the Ralox until the end of the Trest cycle. It wasn’t part of the Hail Mary. I just wanted to protect myself from that “gyno window” that opens up after coming off androgens and E2 is still high. I had no intention of staying on Ralox long term, but it impressed me so I extended it a couple more months.
No…not by much anyway. Although I did seem to return to a slightly higher baseline after trying out a couple of TRT+ “cycles” with Mast, at that rate it would have taken at least a dozen rounds to match what the TRT+Trest+Mast cycle did for me.
My doses were low. 2 months of 80mg/week of test; 5-10mg/DAY of Trest Ace; and 350-400mg of Mast. My libido increased significantly yes, but you gotta watch those E2 sides on Trest. It’s powerful stuff, and if you’re E2 sensitive like me, it sneaks up on you fast.
Next time, I’ll be running Trest E at 40mg/week (20x2), keep Test minimal, starting the Mast at the same time, and staying on for 3 months.
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Good thread for PFS, lots of recoveries posted too: Finally Cured From Post Finasteride Syndrome | Page 154 | Ray Peat Forum
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