American are no more self centered or selfish than the citizens of any other country.
If you consider charitable donations Americans are the most giving people in the world (as we should be, given our good fortune.)
The reason people in Texas do not care about politics in Ottawa is that its is generally not relevant to their lives. Get over it.
Oh, I see the loser patrol has latched onto my statement and taken it all over the place.
The fact is that the US citizen in general is not interested in things outside of the US. You can quote all kinds of lame ass statistics, but this doesn’t change anything. People giving charities aren’t the ones who are knowledgeable about situations overseas, they are shown starving children on the television – that’s it.
Now, I’m sure, if you were in the military and sent overseas, that your perspective would be a little bit broader.
What a bunch of whiny crybabies. God forbid anybody point out anything that someone somehow might be able to twist into a negative statement.
The sad fact is the average American citizen, which you may not be, is not very well versed in international issues, whether it be geography, history or anything else that doesn’t make it into prime time media coverage.
Cry if you want to.
Thunder, you old sage, I agree with you! That’s what I thought I was saying and unless I’m the one hearing voices in my head that’s what I’ve heard Vroom say many times!
It’s more often then not guys on your platform who talk as if the US is totally benevolent and only operates in the beloved interest of it’s cititzens and then the world cititzens.
And, why do you have to belittle my “little” splitting comparison? Always trying to hurt the ones you love…
Thunder, just out of curiosity tell me if I’m on the mark with my mental picture of you. White, mid forties, either ex or retired military officer, income level 75,000 to 100,000 year.
Also, I have no idea why maybe something of yours I read, but I get the feeling you live in the north west part of the country.
I hope you don’t take that as an affront it really is how I see you and I wonder if it’s accurate or not.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
American are no more self centered or selfish than the citizens of any other country.
If you consider charitable donations Americans are the most giving people in the world (as we should be, given our good fortune.)
The reason people in Texas do not care about politics in Ottawa is that its is generally not relevant to their lives. Get over it.[/quote]
Zap, at one time I thought you were a man of reason who looked at things from all angles. More and more I see you are beholding to many of the fairy tales being peddled.
It’s amazing how a discussion of a great man can turn into a whiny, liberal pissing contest; as always, off topic personal criticisms, but no facts.
[quote]lincono wrote:
It’s amazing how a discussion of a great man can turn into a whiny, liberal pissing contest; as always, off topic personal criticisms, but no facts. [/quote]
I’m sorry, was there a fact somewhere in this whiny pissing post of yours?
Lincono,
Agreed.
Not to hijack my own thread, BUT let’s hear some thoughts on Abraham Lincoln.
Love to hear what the liberals think about pox’s pal, obama, and his recent comments.
Oh, with the “mulitple personality, antisocial, and splitting” kick, I’m wondering if e-hater is really tom cruise.
JeffR
Hahahaha. Nice. Lincono, whiny pissing posts, like yours, obviously have nothing to do with left vs right. Thanks for proving that issue…
Besides, the fact nobody is talking about the Lincoln issue would mean the thread is basically dead. What does it matter now? Come up with something worthy of discussion yourself or stop bitching about the fact there is no worthy discussion.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
lincono wrote:
It’s amazing how a discussion of a great man can turn into a whiny, liberal pissing contest; as always, off topic personal criticisms, but no facts.
I’m sorry, was there a fact somewhere in this whiny pissing post of yours?[/quote]
I’m sure you are, but as always you missed it.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Lincono,
Agreed.
Not to hijack my own thread, BUT let’s hear some thoughts on Abraham Lincoln.
Love to hear what the liberals think about pox’s pal, obama, and his recent comments.
Oh, with the “mulitple personality, antisocial, and splitting” kick, I’m wondering if e-hater is really tom cruise.
JeffR
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Who is “pox” and how do you know who his friends are?
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Lincono,
Agreed.
Not to hijack my own thread, BUT let’s hear some thoughts on Abraham Lincoln.
Love to hear what the liberals think about pox’s pal, obama, and his recent comments.
Oh, with the “mulitple personality, antisocial, and splitting” kick, I’m wondering if e-hater is really tom cruise.
JeffR
[/quote]
Why yes, precious, you have found me out, I really am Tom Cruise. Can’t pull the wool over your eyes.
Lincono, great input Bravo! You have found a life long friend in jerrfy aka creamy aka shit aka precious. Now go kick some liberal helpings of liberal ass you right wing warrior!
Who is precious going to post under next? Hum… my guess would be creamy. Get ready for a bone slicing critique of A. my physique B. my intelligence or C. my brief career as a “Radio Operator”. Rah, rah, rah, jerffy!!!
Elk,
“Thunder, you old sage, I agree with you! That’s what I thought I was saying and unless I’m the one hearing voices in my head that’s what I’ve heard Vroom say many times!”
Ok.
“It’s more often then not guys on your platform who talk as if the US is totally benevolent and only operates in the beloved interest of it’s cititzens and then the world cititzens.”
I personally don’t share that view - but I do think the US gets a bad rap when it comes to benevolence. I firmly believe the US acts in its own self-interest alot, even at the expense of other nations’ feelings - and so do other nations. The major difference is that the US doesn’t try and pretend that national self-interest is a dirty word - there is very little ‘false advertising’ as to our sentiments. Some may not like such dogged independence, and that is fair, but at least the US isn’t pretending to be something it is not.
As for the benevolence, I think the US gets a bad rap. We have risked blood and treasure to help a lot of folks over the past 50-60 years. Our foreign aid budget is bigger than some countries’ GDPs. Do I think we are altruistic one-world do-gooders? No. But I think, on balance, the US is an enormous positive force in the world, and when we finally take our troops out of Europe, some of our ‘enlightened’ critics will learn the hard way.
“And, why do you have to belittle my “little” splitting comparison? Always trying to hurt the ones you love…”
Heh. I give you a rough way sometimes, Elk - but you’re ok in my book.
“Thunder, just out of curiosity tell me if I’m on the mark with my mental picture of you. White, mid forties, either ex or retired military officer, income level 75,000 to 100,000 year.”
Off the mark.
“Also, I have no idea why maybe something of yours I read, but I get the feeling you live in the north west part of the country.”
No, but it is beautiful. I am a proud man of the South (and a Lincoln man, to some people’s confusion), but I am not currently living there.
“I hope you don’t take that as an affront it really is how I see you and I wonder if it’s accurate or not.”
No worries - I don’t mind.
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
American are no more self centered or selfish than the citizens of any other country.
If you consider charitable donations Americans are the most giving people in the world (as we should be, given our good fortune.)
The reason people in Texas do not care about politics in Ottawa is that its is generally not relevant to their lives. Get over it.
Zap, at one time I thought you were a man of reason who looked at things from all angles. More and more I see you are beholding to many of the fairy tales being peddled. [/quote]
Elk, I rather enjoy your posts too even when we disagree on some issues.
vrooms statement was just more useless America bashing. His criticism can be applied to everyone.
Why didn’t he just say Americans shit smells really bad?
vrooms shit stirring gets tiresome.
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Why yes, precious, you have found me out, I really am Tom Cruise. Can’t pull the wool over your eyes.
[/quote]
Your back is turned in your avatar so we don’t recognize you.
[quote]JeffR wrote:.
Now what does that really mean? It means his Constitutional obligation to preserve the Union was his paramount concern as President. IT DOES NOT mean that he wasn’t looking for a way to end slavery from the very beginning.
[/quote]
The states where set up as sovereign states by the constitution, which meant they had the right to seperate from the union. The constitution does not set as a responsibility for the president to preserve the union. Protect it, yes, but not preserve it.
Thunder and Zap, I will have to begrudgingly say, I feel the same about you guys. I can be stubborn, but I do read your posts and sometimes try to see it from your perspective.
Thunder, thanks for the answer. It’s a little strange how we get mental pictures of each other through this channel of communication.
Peace
[quote]lincono wrote:
Professor X wrote:
lincono wrote:
It’s amazing how a discussion of a great man can turn into a whiny, liberal pissing contest; as always, off topic personal criticisms, but no facts.
I’m sorry, was there a fact somewhere in this whiny pissing post of yours?
I’m sure you are, but as always you missed it.[/quote]
What?
[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Thunder and Zap, I will have to begrudgingly say, I feel the same about you guys. I can be stubborn, but I do read your posts and sometimes try to see it from your perspective.
Thunder, thanks for the answer. It’s a little strange how we get mental pictures of each other through this channel of communication.
Peace
[/quote]
Elk, I think you would find we agree a lot more than we disagree. It just does not come across well in an internet forum.
I try (sometimes unsucessfully) to make a point and not insult or stir shit. You do the same.
Some here just want to insult and stir shit and it gets really old.
I am getting all teary eyed.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Some here just want to insult and stir shit and it gets really old.[/quote]
Yeah, like the post that started this thread and the posts by Cream. This was in Jerferry’s first post
I can only assume he simply can’t spell “professor” and that “pox” is supposed to be me. What amazes me is how no one ever calls Jefferry on his shit but are quick to call out anyone who doesn’t agree with “the brotherhood of the right”.
The very first post in this thread was meant to stir shit. That is one reason I haven’t taken it seriously yet.
Zap, you better quit getting all liberal on me now! I am going to have to visit the beaver thread to remind myself that I’m a testosterone snorting man beast.