…did you watch the youtube vid from my first post? Do you have anything to say about that?
[/quote]
What’s to say? It was silly. I couldn’t get past him answering his own questions and hanging up when the guy wanted to answer for himself.[/quote]
…do you believe i will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as my saviour?[/quote]
No. I do not believe one would go to hell based solely on this precept. Again this is a misrepresentation of what the bible says. There are approximately 2.2 billion Christians in the world which leaves approx. 3.8 billion folks who are not. Not believe as Christians do does not condemn. If we are talking in purely New Testament terms, Jesus gave many ways to “know” him with out knowing him by name. Therefore, you can “know” Jesus with out ever having heard of Christ or Christianity. Just one example from the Gospels is “What ever you do the least of my people, that you do unto me”. So, for instance, if you take care of a downtrodden person, you are “knowing” Jesus without having to even have heard of the Bible.[/quote]
…i’m Roman Catholic. I’ve been baptised and went to communion. I’ve even been an altar boy a couple of times. I know the message and i reject Christ as my saviour. I find the notion of needing to be saved ridiculous, and i object against being labeled a sinner out of principle…
…this all is true btw. Do i go to hell if i die in my sleep tonight?[/quote]
If you were really raised Roman Catholic and knew anything about it then you would also know that “accepting Christ as your saviour” and/or being “saved” are not tenants of the apostolic tradition.
Second, do you want to go to hell?[/quote]
…but it doesn’t matter what i do or do not believe. It matters what others believe…
…i don’t entertain any beliefs regarding heaven or hell so going to an imaginary place after i die is inconsequential to me…
[/quote]
What I know for certain is this, I have no fucking clue what will happen to you when you die. Besides, what do you care what I or anybody else thinks on the matter?
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Which brings me to my biggest pet peeve with religious folk. Any religious folk who confuses thier beliefs with actual knowledge or knowing. Believe anything you want, but if you walk around talking and acting like you know something about god, you are now an irrational dangerous person. You may never physically harm another human being, but your mere existance and support of other irrational people is dangerous to the human race.
V[/quote]
Demanding that someone else accept YOUR experience is certainly irrational and wrong. I completely concur. However, to exclude an experience because it doesn’t fit in
with your previous experiences is also irrational. And that’s my point. God may very well intervene in human affairs but we may not be designed to know it. We just can’t tell.
BTW, if my son did what you say and I was alive, I would shoot him myself. Seriously. I would weep like a baby and then shoot myself in the head. Luckily he is extremely moral and I can’t even imagine such a thing ever even entering his head.[/quote]
For what it’s worth, I do hope your son doesn’t turn out to be the next great mass murdurer. That would be good for all of us. Hopefully no ones child does.
…did you watch the youtube vid from my first post? Do you have anything to say about that?
[/quote]
What’s to say? It was silly. I couldn’t get past him answering his own questions and hanging up when the guy wanted to answer for himself.[/quote]
…do you believe i will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as my saviour?[/quote]
No. I do not believe one would go to hell based solely on this precept. Again this is a misrepresentation of what the bible says. There are approximately 2.2 billion Christians in the world which leaves approx. 3.8 billion folks who are not. Not believe as Christians do does not condemn. If we are talking in purely New Testament terms, Jesus gave many ways to “know” him with out knowing him by name. Therefore, you can “know” Jesus with out ever having heard of Christ or Christianity. Just one example from the Gospels is “What ever you do the least of my people, that you do unto me”. So, for instance, if you take care of a downtrodden person, you are “knowing” Jesus without having to even have heard of the Bible.[/quote]
…i’m Roman Catholic. I’ve been baptised and went to communion. I’ve even been an altar boy a couple of times. I know the message and i reject Christ as my saviour. I find the notion of needing to be saved ridiculous, and i object against being labeled a sinner out of principle…
…this all is true btw. Do i go to hell if i die in my sleep tonight?[/quote]
If you were really raised Roman Catholic and knew anything about it then you would also know that “accepting Christ as your saviour” and/or being “saved” are not tenants of the apostolic tradition.
Second, do you want to go to hell?[/quote]
…but it doesn’t matter what i do or do not believe. It matters what others believe…
…i don’t entertain any beliefs regarding heaven or hell so going to an imaginary place after i die is inconsequential to me…
[/quote]
What I know for certain is this, I have no fucking clue what will happen to you when you die. Besides, what do you care what I or anybody else thinks on the matter?[/quote]
Because unfortunately, people start wars and kill other people over religion. So it’s not like I am sitting here in my house worrying an angry christian mob is going to come to my house and burn me on a cross because I renounced my christian upbringing. But it doesn’t change the fact that there is at least one religion today in this wrold who has factions that are openly declaring “war” on people who do not believe the same way they do. Now, Maybe the current group of christians is cool, but are you telling me that this group 100 years down the road could never re-gain it’s fanatic ways. Especially is some end of the world shit started happening? To me christianity is a sleeping giant. Right now it just snores loudly and farts in it’s sleep. It is a minor nuisance to put up with it at this point, but the potential for it to wake up will ALWAYS be there. Regardless of what you or any individual or even group of christians says.
The only way for religions to not be a threat to the world is for them to go away. For people to stop just accepting their teachings and accepting belief in thier own self over the teachings of really old irrelevant books. The bible wasn’t even writen in english and i’m shure you can’t read hebrew or snascrit or whatever other languages it was written in. Oh, Wait I forgot, infalability. Heh, wow how could I forget about that little gem. I mean when a priest teaches you in religion that infalability means that when he is reading the gospel he is infallable, and then you see him miss a line at the next mass, lose his place, yadda yadda, it kinda makes a young persons mind think the whole thing is just pure bullshit.
…but it doesn’t matter what i do or do not believe. It matters what others believe…
…i don’t entertain any beliefs regarding heaven or hell so going to an imaginary place after i die is inconsequential to me…
[/quote]
What I know for certain is this, I have no fucking clue what will happen to you when you die. Besides, what do you care what I or anybody else thinks on the matter?[/quote]
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Atheism does not allow for singular experiences. Atheism restricts knowledge to those concepts that are formed by comparing objects. For ex, the concept of ‘chair’ is formed from observing several very similar objects and tagging those objects with the word ‘chair’.[/quote]
You are referring to how humans construct languages, not atheism. Atheism is not a worldview, it is a position on the question: Does god exist?
It is often an important piece (in some respects) OF a worldview, for example, Materialism or some strains of Buddhism, but it is not a worldview of itself. Ergo, saying that atheism doesn’t allow for singular experiences is like saying that not believing in smurfs doesn’t allow for the orbit of the moon.
Second, as I mentioned, you are referring to our senses, which do allow for singular experiences. Since each of us can only experience our own consciousness, we all have our own experience. I believe philosophers call this ‘qualia’; what it means to say that “I am in pain” and all that.
This is not a problems solely for the atheist. Let’s remember that Plato also brought up the problem of what it means to be ‘holy’ in the Euthrypho dilemma.
An event is an experience in time and space and God created time and space - this is a contradiction.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:If we restrict our knowledge to only those concepts attained by comparison, then that excludes God. But in my many years I’ve yet to see an acceptable argument for such exclusion.
That God has not chosen to speak to you, is sad.
God bless and Happy Hannukah![/quote]
You just compared God to our experiences of ‘events’ - you did not offer an example (nor could you, necessarily, if your argument is correct) of God being a singular experience.
In fact, you’ve essentially defined your god out of existence.
You aren’t being clear here at all. Everything that we experience is the result of our sense organs - and our brains interpretation of them. So what do you mean to say when you say that someone has an experience that is unlike anything they have encountered? You are arguing into non cognizants here. Even your example refers to sensations we experience (oceanic voices - sound waves).
If anecdotal evidence is to be considered quality evidence, then there are multiple gods. Some of which are contradictory.
How can you rationally just blow off such experiences as not being delusional?
Says the person who is actually arguing that the various Napoleans lining mental asylums have valid justifications for their beliefs.
[1] Perhaps not from the Christian contingent on this planet, [2] but beliefs are belief aren’t they?
[/quote]
The answer to [2] must be no. Or, you wouldn’t have felt it neccessary to lead with [1].
I mean, if you contend that “beliefs are belief” in the same way as “emotions are emotions,” and “coffee is coffee,” yeah, I guess so.[/quote]
…beliefs can be very powerful. They can motivate people to do all kinds of things, and they all work in the same way. Again, how the mind works is fascinating to me…
…did you watch the youtube vid from my first post? Do you have anything to say about that?
[/quote]
What’s to say? It was silly. I couldn’t get past him answering his own questions and hanging up when the guy wanted to answer for himself.[/quote]
…do you believe i will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as my saviour?[/quote]
I believe we’re saved through Christ. Though not everyone who claim Christ, will be saved. Anyways, I have no idea where you’d end up. Not my call. But, what matters it if Christian theology provides little to no salvation for the non-Christian? Atheism preaches the absence of any salvation, for anyone.[/quote]
…still the bible says that the one unforgivable sin the rejection of Christ as your saviour is, and those sinners go to hell. Atheism teaches nothing, it isn’t religion. Dividing people into those who believe like you, and those who don’t believe at all, making those non-believers effectively subhuman through dogma, is dangerous…
…every Abrahamic religion, more or les, does this. Could you believe what you believe if it didn’t make you special? I mean, suppose your faith taught that each and everyone goes to heaven whether you believe or not, would that make a difference to you?
[/quote]
“…still the bible says that the one unforgivable sin the rejection of Christ as your saviour is, and those sinners go to hell.”
No, it does not. No where does it say that as a matter of fact it says the opposite.[/quote]
…this site is pretty clear on the subject. Do you have something else to read for me on the subject?
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This is one interpretation, but truth be known nobody really knows what the “unforgivable sin” is. Nobody knows what it is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. One can speak against the Holy Spirit, but to do irreparable harm through speech against an omnipotent being seems a paradox. There are only two instances where I can think of where you can do irreparable harm against the spirit but only in yourself or others. You can refuse God with in yourself or you can refuse to let others seek God, (see Stalin, Lenin).
…did you watch the youtube vid from my first post? Do you have anything to say about that?
[/quote]
What’s to say? It was silly. I couldn’t get past him answering his own questions and hanging up when the guy wanted to answer for himself.[/quote]
…do you believe i will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as my saviour?[/quote]
No. I do not believe one would go to hell based solely on this precept. Again this is a misrepresentation of what the bible says. There are approximately 2.2 billion Christians in the world which leaves approx. 3.8 billion folks who are not. Not believe as Christians do does not condemn. If we are talking in purely New Testament terms, Jesus gave many ways to “know” him with out knowing him by name. Therefore, you can “know” Jesus with out ever having heard of Christ or Christianity. Just one example from the Gospels is “What ever you do the least of my people, that you do unto me”. So, for instance, if you take care of a downtrodden person, you are “knowing” Jesus without having to even have heard of the Bible.[/quote]
…i’m Roman Catholic. I’ve been baptised and went to communion. I’ve even been an altar boy a couple of times. I know the message and i reject Christ as my saviour. I find the notion of needing to be saved ridiculous, and i object against being labeled a sinner out of principle…
…this all is true btw. Do i go to hell if i die in my sleep tonight?[/quote]
If you were really raised Roman Catholic and knew anything about it then you would also know that “accepting Christ as your saviour” and/or being “saved” are not tenants of the apostolic tradition.
Second, do you want to go to hell?[/quote]
…but it doesn’t matter what i do or do not believe. It matters what others believe…
…i don’t entertain any beliefs regarding heaven or hell so going to an imaginary place after i die is inconsequential to me…
[/quote]
What I know for certain is this, I have no fucking clue what will happen to you when you die. Besides, what do you care what I or anybody else thinks on the matter?[/quote]
Because unfortunately, people start wars and kill other people over religion. So it’s not like I am sitting here in my house worrying an angry christian mob is going to come to my house and burn me on a cross because I renounced my christian upbringing. But it doesn’t change the fact that there is at least one religion today in this wrold who has factions that are openly declaring “war” on people who do not believe the same way they do. Now, Maybe the current group of christians is cool, but are you telling me that this group 100 years down the road could never re-gain it’s fanatic ways. Especially is some end of the world shit started happening? To me christianity is a sleeping giant. Right now it just snores loudly and farts in it’s sleep. It is a minor nuisance to put up with it at this point, but the potential for it to wake up will ALWAYS be there. Regardless of what you or any individual or even group of christians says.
The only way for religions to not be a threat to the world is for them to go away. For people to stop just accepting their teachings and accepting belief in thier own self over the teachings of really old irrelevant books. The bible wasn’t even writen in english and i’m shure you can’t read hebrew or snascrit or whatever other languages it was written in. Oh, Wait I forgot, infalability. Heh, wow how could I forget about that little gem. I mean when a priest teaches you in religion that infalability means that when he is reading the gospel he is infallable, and then you see him miss a line at the next mass, lose his place, yadda yadda, it kinda makes a young persons mind think the whole thing is just pure bullshit.
V[/quote]
Must we go over this again…Atheists have committed the worst atrocities in the history of the world. Much of it was done in the name of “getting rid of” religions. If you are choosing atheism in an attempt to be associated with a mindset that is historically blameless, you picked the wrong one. Atheists have murdered hundreds of millions just in the 20th centrury…
It’s the same thing you accuse religions of doing the Soviets murdered millions upon millions of those who did not agree with them, so did the Chinese, so did Cuba, etc.
…did you watch the youtube vid from my first post? Do you have anything to say about that?
[/quote]
What’s to say? It was silly. I couldn’t get past him answering his own questions and hanging up when the guy wanted to answer for himself.[/quote]
…do you believe i will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as my saviour?[/quote]
No. I do not believe one would go to hell based solely on this precept. Again this is a misrepresentation of what the bible says. There are approximately 2.2 billion Christians in the world which leaves approx. 3.8 billion folks who are not. Not believe as Christians do does not condemn. If we are talking in purely New Testament terms, Jesus gave many ways to “know” him with out knowing him by name. Therefore, you can “know” Jesus with out ever having heard of Christ or Christianity. Just one example from the Gospels is “What ever you do the least of my people, that you do unto me”. So, for instance, if you take care of a downtrodden person, you are “knowing” Jesus without having to even have heard of the Bible.[/quote]
…i’m Roman Catholic. I’ve been baptised and went to communion. I’ve even been an altar boy a couple of times. I know the message and i reject Christ as my saviour. I find the notion of needing to be saved ridiculous, and i object against being labeled a sinner out of principle…
…this all is true btw. Do i go to hell if i die in my sleep tonight?[/quote]
If you were really raised Roman Catholic and knew anything about it then you would also know that “accepting Christ as your saviour” and/or being “saved” are not tenants of the apostolic tradition.
Second, do you want to go to hell?[/quote]
…but it doesn’t matter what i do or do not believe. It matters what others believe…
…i don’t entertain any beliefs regarding heaven or hell so going to an imaginary place after i die is inconsequential to me…
[/quote]
What I know for certain is this, I have no fucking clue what will happen to you when you die. Besides, what do you care what I or anybody else thinks on the matter?[/quote]
Because unfortunately, people start wars and kill other people over religion. So it’s not like I am sitting here in my house worrying an angry christian mob is going to come to my house and burn me on a cross because I renounced my christian upbringing. But it doesn’t change the fact that there is at least one religion today in this wrold who has factions that are openly declaring “war” on people who do not believe the same way they do. Now, Maybe the current group of christians is cool, but are you telling me that this group 100 years down the road could never re-gain it’s fanatic ways. Especially is some end of the world shit started happening? To me christianity is a sleeping giant. Right now it just snores loudly and farts in it’s sleep. It is a minor nuisance to put up with it at this point, but the potential for it to wake up will ALWAYS be there. Regardless of what you or any individual or even group of christians says.
The only way for religions to not be a threat to the world is for them to go away. For people to stop just accepting their teachings and accepting belief in thier own self over the teachings of really old irrelevant books. The bible wasn’t even writen in english and i’m shure you can’t read hebrew or snascrit or whatever other languages it was written in. Oh, Wait I forgot, infalability. Heh, wow how could I forget about that little gem. I mean when a priest teaches you in religion that infalability means that when he is reading the gospel he is infallable, and then you see him miss a line at the next mass, lose his place, yadda yadda, it kinda makes a young persons mind think the whole thing is just pure bullshit.
V[/quote]
Must we go over this again…Atheists have committed the worst atrocities in the history of the world. Much of it was done in the name of “getting rid of” religions. If you are choosing atheism in an attempt to be associated with a mindset that is historically blameless, you picked the wrong one. Atheists have murdered hundreds of millions just in the 20th centrury…
It’s the same thing you accuse religions of doing the Soviets murdered millions upon millions of those who did not agree with them, so did the Chinese, so did Cuba, etc. [/quote]
A political religion is a political ideology with cultural and political power equivalent to those of a religion, and often having many sociological and ideological similarities with religion. Such political religions vie with existing religions, and try, if possible, to replace or eradicate them. [1]
The term is sometimes treated as synonymous with civil religion,[citation needed] but although some scholars use the terms as equivalent, others see a useful distinction, using “civil religion” as something weaker, which functions more as a socially unifying and essentially conservative force, where a political religion is radically transformational, even apocalyptic.[citation needed]
The term is sometimes used outside academia, often with meanings tangential to or opposite to the sociological usage (for example, applying it to a church). Even when used correctly, supporters of an ideology will generally reject the application of the term “political religion”.
You might want to look into this:
Those political religions tried to immantesize the echaton, and that did not work for Islam and the Spanish Inquisition either.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Now, Maybe the current group of christians is cool, but are you telling me that this group 100 years down the road could never re-gain it’s fanatic ways. Especially is some end of the world shit started happening? To me christianity is a sleeping giant. Right now it just snores loudly and farts in it’s sleep. It is a minor nuisance to put up with it at this point, but the potential for it to wake up will ALWAYS be there. Regardless of what you or any individual or even group of christians says.
V[/quote]
Ah. So, I’m not the enemy. However, my children, or grandchildren, or great grandchildren will be. A physical danger, at that!
Thankfully you’re not the majority as I’d hate to see what the above could involve too.
A political religion is a political ideology with cultural and political power equivalent to those of a religion, and often having many sociological and ideological similarities with religion. Such political religions vie with existing religions, and try, if possible, to replace or eradicate them. [1]
The term is sometimes treated as synonymous with civil religion,[citation needed] but although some scholars use the terms as equivalent, others see a useful distinction, using “civil religion” as something weaker, which functions more as a socially unifying and essentially conservative force, where a political religion is radically transformational, even apocalyptic.[citation needed]
The term is sometimes used outside academia, often with meanings tangential to or opposite to the sociological usage (for example, applying it to a church). Even when used correctly, supporters of an ideology will generally reject the application of the term “political religion”.
You might want to look into this:
Those political religions tried to immantesize the echaton, and that did not work for Islam and the Spanish Inquisition either.[/quote]
That’s cool. I always write off examples of religious violence/conflict as Political Atheism.
…did you watch the youtube vid from my first post? Do you have anything to say about that?
[/quote]
What’s to say? It was silly. I couldn’t get past him answering his own questions and hanging up when the guy wanted to answer for himself.[/quote]
…do you believe i will go to hell for not accepting Jesus as my saviour?[/quote]
No. I do not believe one would go to hell based solely on this precept. Again this is a misrepresentation of what the bible says. There are approximately 2.2 billion Christians in the world which leaves approx. 3.8 billion folks who are not. Not believe as Christians do does not condemn. If we are talking in purely New Testament terms, Jesus gave many ways to “know” him with out knowing him by name. Therefore, you can “know” Jesus with out ever having heard of Christ or Christianity. Just one example from the Gospels is “What ever you do the least of my people, that you do unto me”. So, for instance, if you take care of a downtrodden person, you are “knowing” Jesus without having to even have heard of the Bible.[/quote]
…i’m Roman Catholic. I’ve been baptised and went to communion. I’ve even been an altar boy a couple of times. I know the message and i reject Christ as my saviour. I find the notion of needing to be saved ridiculous, and i object against being labeled a sinner out of principle…
…this all is true btw. Do i go to hell if i die in my sleep tonight?[/quote]
If you were really raised Roman Catholic and knew anything about it then you would also know that “accepting Christ as your saviour” and/or being “saved” are not tenants of the apostolic tradition.
Second, do you want to go to hell?[/quote]
…but it doesn’t matter what i do or do not believe. It matters what others believe…
…i don’t entertain any beliefs regarding heaven or hell so going to an imaginary place after i die is inconsequential to me…
[/quote]
What I know for certain is this, I have no fucking clue what will happen to you when you die. Besides, what do you care what I or anybody else thinks on the matter?[/quote]
Because unfortunately, people start wars and kill other people over religion. So it’s not like I am sitting here in my house worrying an angry christian mob is going to come to my house and burn me on a cross because I renounced my christian upbringing. But it doesn’t change the fact that there is at least one religion today in this wrold who has factions that are openly declaring “war” on people who do not believe the same way they do. Now, Maybe the current group of christians is cool, but are you telling me that this group 100 years down the road could never re-gain it’s fanatic ways. Especially is some end of the world shit started happening? To me christianity is a sleeping giant. Right now it just snores loudly and farts in it’s sleep. It is a minor nuisance to put up with it at this point, but the potential for it to wake up will ALWAYS be there. Regardless of what you or any individual or even group of christians says.
The only way for religions to not be a threat to the world is for them to go away. For people to stop just accepting their teachings and accepting belief in thier own self over the teachings of really old irrelevant books. The bible wasn’t even writen in english and i’m shure you can’t read hebrew or snascrit or whatever other languages it was written in. Oh, Wait I forgot, infalability. Heh, wow how could I forget about that little gem. I mean when a priest teaches you in religion that infalability means that when he is reading the gospel he is infallable, and then you see him miss a line at the next mass, lose his place, yadda yadda, it kinda makes a young persons mind think the whole thing is just pure bullshit.
V[/quote]
Must we go over this again…Atheists have committed the worst atrocities in the history of the world. Much of it was done in the name of “getting rid of” religions. If you are choosing atheism in an attempt to be associated with a mindset that is historically blameless, you picked the wrong one. Atheists have murdered hundreds of millions just in the 20th centrury…
It’s the same thing you accuse religions of doing the Soviets murdered millions upon millions of those who did not agree with them, so did the Chinese, so did Cuba, etc. [/quote]
A political religion is a political ideology with cultural and political power equivalent to those of a religion, and often having many sociological and ideological similarities with religion. Such political religions vie with existing religions, and try, if possible, to replace or eradicate them. [1]
The term is sometimes treated as synonymous with civil religion,[citation needed] but although some scholars use the terms as equivalent, others see a useful distinction, using “civil religion” as something weaker, which functions more as a socially unifying and essentially conservative force, where a political religion is radically transformational, even apocalyptic.[citation needed]
The term is sometimes used outside academia, often with meanings tangential to or opposite to the sociological usage (for example, applying it to a church). Even when used correctly, supporters of an ideology will generally reject the application of the term “political religion”.
You might want to look into this:
Those political religions tried to immantesize the echaton, and that did not work for Islam and the Spanish Inquisition either.[/quote]
Uh, that’s not what this was, this was go to church and they will kill your ass.
As usual in these threads, one is speaking about religious experiences and the other of organized religion. The third is promoting atheism as an ism to believe in and the fourth is defending his faith. And the fifth is just a jester.
A political religion is a political ideology with cultural and political power equivalent to those of a religion, and often having many sociological and ideological similarities with religion. Such political religions vie with existing religions, and try, if possible, to replace or eradicate them. [1]
The term is sometimes treated as synonymous with civil religion,[citation needed] but although some scholars use the terms as equivalent, others see a useful distinction, using “civil religion” as something weaker, which functions more as a socially unifying and essentially conservative force, where a political religion is radically transformational, even apocalyptic.[citation needed]
The term is sometimes used outside academia, often with meanings tangential to or opposite to the sociological usage (for example, applying it to a church). Even when used correctly, supporters of an ideology will generally reject the application of the term “political religion”.
You might want to look into this:
Those political religions tried to immantesize the echaton, and that did not work for Islam and the Spanish Inquisition either.[/quote]
That’s cool. I always write off examples of religious violence/conflict as Political Atheism.
[/quote]
You can do that if you find a collectivist atheist ideology that centers around the idea that there is no god and kills people because of it.
Must we go over this again…Atheists have committed the worst atrocities in the history of the world. Much of it was done in the name of “getting rid of” religions. If you are choosing atheism in an attempt to be associated with a mindset that is historically blameless, you picked the wrong one. Atheists have murdered hundreds of millions just in the 20th centrury…
It’s the same thing you accuse religions of doing the Soviets murdered millions upon millions of those who did not agree with them, so did the Chinese, so did Cuba, etc. [/quote]
A political religion is a political ideology with cultural and political power equivalent to those of a religion, and often having many sociological and ideological similarities with religion. Such political religions vie with existing religions, and try, if possible, to replace or eradicate them. [1]
The term is sometimes treated as synonymous with civil religion,[citation needed] but although some scholars use the terms as equivalent, others see a useful distinction, using “civil religion” as something weaker, which functions more as a socially unifying and essentially conservative force, where a political religion is radically transformational, even apocalyptic.[citation needed]
The term is sometimes used outside academia, often with meanings tangential to or opposite to the sociological usage (for example, applying it to a church). Even when used correctly, supporters of an ideology will generally reject the application of the term “political religion”.
You might want to look into this:
Those political religions tried to immantesize the echaton, and that did not work for Islam and the Spanish Inquisition either.
Uh, that’s not what this was, this was go to church and they will kill your ass. [/quote]
But they would kill your ass for the same reason the Spanish Inquisition would kill your ass, because you questioned their belief system.
[quote]orion wrote:
You can do that if you find a collectivist atheist ideology that centers around the idea that there is no god and kills people because of it.
[quote]orion wrote:
You can do that if you find a collectivist atheist ideology that centers around the idea that there is no god and kills people because of it.