'A Wise Latina'

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
outofshape43 wrote:
Gentlemen, in 2006 Alito stated that in a case of discrimination he would draw on the history of his Italian roots in this country, rife with prejudice, bias and discrimination of his ethnicity and religion as well as gender bias.

No one cried foul because he is not saying he is better than anyone. However back to Major Bitch, if I declare that because of my Irish Catholic background I am superior to anything really I’ll be called a bigot. If I said it multiple times in letters, judicial documents, and speeches there would be an uproar if I tried to become a Judge of the Supreme Court of America. If I ruled in cases in favor of whites, especially Irish or Catholic, I would be hung by the media for being racist, prejudice, and a bigot.

Sure everyone can be considered a racist, but let’s play fair. If someone calls me a cracker, whitey, or whatever it maybe that’s so called racist, should I not be able to dish it out? Talk about a pack of pussies.[/quote]

We should take back ownership of “cracker”. I’m going to start greeting friends, “What’s up, cracka?”!

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

I for one think that someone who gets into college because of Affirmative Action, gets into Law School because of Affirmative Action, and gets her jobs because of her gender and ethnicity will do a magnificent job of interpreting and applying a document that is the foundation of our Republic.

Her college admission did not depend on Affirmative Action. She was top of her class.

Also there was another post claiming that Clarence Thomas only got where he was from Affirmative Action. That is not true either.[/quote]

She stated herself that she wouldn’t be where she is without Affirmative Action. Perhaps I missed it and she was referring to law school or something else.

Serious question for you my “conservative” friends: How come the only racism that bothers some people is reverse racism?

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Sotomayor must dummy up
By: Roger Simon
June 3, 2009 04:26 AM EST
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=A2E3F0A3-18FE-70B2-A85C6B5D797A613E

How come the only racism that bothers some people is reverse racism?

People of color have been oppressed for centuries in this country, and while progress has been made, it has come slowly.

But Sonia Sotomayor makes one speech suggesting that her background as a Latina might actually give her superior insight or wisdom to a white man, and there is an explosion â?? an eruption! a volcano! â?? of indignation.

She is a reverse racist! She has dared to suggest that a nonwhite woman could ever be superior in any way, under any circumstances, to a white man. So how can she now sit on the Supreme Court (a court that for most of its existence has resembled a country club board)?

Newt Gingrich, a former Republican speaker of the House, called her a â??Latina woman racistâ?? and said she should withdraw her name from consideration.

Pat Buchanan, an MSNBC commentator and former Republican presidential candidate, said on â??Hardball With Chris Matthewsâ?? that Sotomayor was an â??affirmative actionâ?? choice for the job.

Other Republicans â?? those worried about the future of their party â?? have been more temperate in their remarks, but even the White House is now concerned about what Sotomayor said.

Here is what she said in a speech in 2001: â??I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasnâ??t lived that life.â??

I have read those words over and over, and I still fail to see what is wrong with them.

Yet the White House is now nervous. â??Iâ??m sure she would have restated it,â?? President Barack Obama said in an interview with NBC News. â??But if you look in the entire sweep of the essay that she wrote, whatâ??s clear is that she was simply saying that her life experiences will give her information about the struggles and hardships that people are going through.â??

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, â??I think sheâ??d say that her word choice in 2001 was poor.â??

Why? I donâ??t get it. Why was her word choice poor if â??she was simply saying that her life experiencesâ?? gave her â??information about the struggles and hardshipsâ?? of people?

We all know why. If you are not white, you have to be careful what you say. You cannot hint that you may actually know more than white people.

When Sotomayor said Tuesday â??there is only one law,â?? and â??ultimately and completelyâ?? she would follow the law, this totally obvious statement was hailed as a great explanation for her 2001 comments.

If a white man gets appointed to a top job, there is no suggestion he got that job through racism. But a Latina gets appointed to a top job? Itâ??s affirmative action! Has to be!

What other reason could there be for Sotomayorâ??s nomination to the Supreme Court? Her education? The fact that she served more than six years as a federal district court judge and more than a decade on the U.S. Court of Appeals?

No. Impossible. Still, she might have gotten through the confirmation process easily if she had not made that gaffe back in 2001. And I know what she said was a gaffe because I know Kinsleyâ??s Law, as formulated by journalist Michael Kinsley: [u][b]A gaffe in Washington is when someone tells the truth.

Sotomayor told the truth in 2001, and now she must pay for it. She must â??walk backâ?? her remarks. She must choose new words.[/b][/u]

As a justice of the Supreme Court, she will be able to speak freely and, I hope, with understanding, knowledge and courage.

But as for now, she knows what she must do. She must do what nonwhite people have been taught to do in this country: She must watch her mouth.

Roger Simon is POLITICOâ??s chief political columnist.

Wow! She has now stated that ‘physiological differences’ between races would cause judges to come to different legal conclusions. Classic definition of intellectual racism…

I pray I will never have a legal case come up before her. I also fear for the future of my country.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

As I see it, until the Latina’s, as a whole, start worrying more about their knowledge and intelligence instead of having babies, her statement is true.

As I see it, that’s one of the most blatantly racist things I’ve ever read on this forum.

How is it racist, which part? Or just because I agree with her does it make me racist? She is a wise Latina is she not? So, what does that say about wise Latin’s if that is her opinion of them, especially with her experience.[/quote]

It is blatantly racist because you seem to think that Latinos as a whole don’t care about anything other than getting pregnant.

Kind of funny, because the ones that I know are working their asses off day and night to try and get their kids to go to college, and are pretty fuckin strict with their kids as well.

You don’t speak for that race or what they’re concerned for. You can barely managed to speak for yourself, as far as your babblings on the other thread- so you got balls coming on here and talking shit about Hispanic women.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
outofshape43 wrote:
Gentlemen, in 2006 Alito stated that in a case of discrimination he would draw on the history of his Italian roots in this country, rife with prejudice, bias and discrimination of his ethnicity and religion as well as gender bias.

No one cried foul because he is not saying he is better than anyone. However back to Major Bitch, if I declare that because of my Irish Catholic background I am superior to anything really I’ll be called a bigot. If I said it multiple times in letters, judicial documents, and speeches there would be an uproar if I tried to become a Judge of the Supreme Court of America. If I ruled in cases in favor of whites, especially Irish or Catholic, I would be hung by the media for being racist, prejudice, and a bigot.

Sure everyone can be considered a racist, but let’s play fair. If someone calls me a cracker, whitey, or whatever it maybe that’s so called racist, should I not be able to dish it out? Talk about a pack of pussies.[/quote]

This is exactly the point I was trying to make.

Why do some of you assume that the only way for non-Caucasians to get ahead is affirmative action? Maybe she got ahead because she was qualified?

Did she graduate summa cum laude because the professors graded her easier due to her ethnicity?

[quote]Christine wrote:
Why do some of you assume that the only way for non-Caucasians to get ahead is affirmative action? Maybe she got ahead because she was qualified?

Did she graduate summa cum laude because the professors graded her easier due to her ethnicity?[/quote]

You’re right Christine, she did perform very well while in school, many times as head of her class.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Christine wrote:
Why do some of you assume that the only way for non-Caucasians to get ahead is affirmative action? Maybe she got ahead because she was qualified?

Did she graduate summa cum laude because the professors graded her easier due to her ethnicity?

You’re right Christine, she did perform very well while in school, many times as head of her class. [/quote]

Meaningless. Schools at that level get apps from lots of people with 30+ on the ACT and tops in the class. I’ve had students with 35s and 36s get turned down from prestigious schools, while a ‘minority’ with lesser scores get full rides at those places.

Future hint: if you want your kid to get lots of goodies AND the kid is a pretty good scholar, change their name to an obvious minority name, like Shanequa or Juan.

So you assume then that her scores, while good, were worse than those of white males?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

I for one think that someone who gets into college because of Affirmative Action, gets into Law School because of Affirmative Action, and gets her jobs because of her gender and ethnicity will do a magnificent job of interpreting and applying a document that is the foundation of our Republic.

Her college admission did not depend on Affirmative Action. She was top of her class.

Also there was another post claiming that Clarence Thomas only got where he was from Affirmative Action. That is not true either.

She stated herself that she wouldn’t be where she is without Affirmative Action. Perhaps I missed it and she was referring to law school or something else.

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Then you were entitled to say it, but the real issue is that if she said that she is lying for “politically correct” reasons and wanting to use herself as an example of how wonderful Affirmative Action is.

The idea that she isn’t/wasn’t smart enough, didn’t have high enough grades, etc to make it without race-based favoritism is simply untrue. A white student with her performance most certainly would have not been turned away. I can criticize her for other things but not on academic achievement and performance.

She was not top of the class of a crappy high school, which indeed might well not have gotten her admitted to Princeton, but was top of the class of a competitive-admission, very well respected high school. It simply makes sense that regardless of race such a candidate would be admitted, and is certainly not a fact that she knows she wouldn’t have or even maybe wouldn’t have if not for Affirmative Action.

And after that, being summa cum laude from Princeton, what, that requires Affirmative Action to get into Yale Law School? I don’t think so.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wow! She has now stated that ‘physiological differences’ between races would cause judges to come to different legal conclusions. Classic definition of intellectual racism…

I pray I will never have a legal case come up before her. I also fear for the future of my country.

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I heard her say her words have failed her

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

I for one think that someone who gets into college because of Affirmative Action, gets into Law School because of Affirmative Action, and gets her jobs because of her gender and ethnicity will do a magnificent job of interpreting and applying a document that is the foundation of our Republic.

Her college admission did not depend on Affirmative Action. She was top of her class.

Also there was another post claiming that Clarence Thomas only got where he was from Affirmative Action. That is not true either.

She stated herself that she wouldn’t be where she is without Affirmative Action. Perhaps I missed it and she was referring to law school or something else.

Then you were entitled to say it, but the real issue is that if she said that she is lying for “politically correct” reasons and wanting to use herself as an example of how wonderful Affirmative Action is.

The idea that she isn’t/wasn’t smart enough, didn’t have high enough grades, etc to make it without race-based favoritism is simply untrue. A white student with her performance most certainly would have not been turned away. I can criticize her for other things but not on academic achievement and performance.

She was not top of the class of a crappy high school, which indeed might well not have gotten her admitted to Princeton, but was top of the class of a competitive-admission, very well respected high school. It simply makes sense that regardless of race such a candidate would be admitted, and is certainly not a fact that she knows she wouldn’t have or even maybe wouldn’t have if not for Affirmative Action.

And after that, being summa cum laude from Princeton, what, that requires Affirmative Action to get into Yale Law School? I don’t think so.

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All of which puts the fine point on the fatal flaw of affirmative action/quotas and that was a few decades ago. There will be high and low performing specimens in every race and in every field across the board. When performance is made the criteria the best specimens distinguish themselves regardless of race. Any other criteria produces sub standard professionals, diminishes the demand for excellence in the recipient group and artificially engenders totally unnecessary resentment between the races that in most cases wouldn’t exist without the preferences.

On a related note, anybody who wants a sure cure for any notion that some ancestries are inherently more or less intelligent than others should be a computer professional. I know people online from Mexico, The Phillipines, China, Vietnam, Bosnia, a couple of unlikely smaller African nations, Turkey, Spain, England, France, Australia and Brazil, and Poland (yes Poland =]), right off the top of my head who have positively frightening skills. I’m not just talkin general windows crap either. Machine language and architecture, high end programming and platform development, database design etc. People I bow before from a technical standpoint and for whom I sometimes need babelfish to translate their communication.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

I wrote it incorrectly on purpose. It was more fun that way. Really.

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So that explains all of your posts. You are actually an intelligent person just masquerading as an idiot. I feel much better now knowing that you are not the fool you play on T-Nation forums.

jnd

[quote]Christine wrote:
So you assume then that her scores, while good, were worse than those of white males?[/quote]

No. But I’ve seen too many white teens, standing in disbelief, while they hear of minority students in THE SAME CLASS get into schools (often with huge rides) while they were passed over. No problem except the white teen would often have a higher ACT, higher GPA, captain of a sports team, while the minority student went home to play video games.

You would be truly truly shocked at how often this happens.

Somewhere, in our country, is someone who DIDN’T get into the schools that Sotomajor did. That person is better, smarter, and more ambitious. But their dream got crushed by a terrible idea…the idea of giving the undeserved.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
A white student with her performance most certainly would have not been turned away.[/quote]

I’ve seen it happen, Bill, numerous times. I just had a kid get turned down from Princeton; he is white, 36 on ACT, 2400 on SAT, validictorian, captain of LaCrosse and VP of NHS.

I would like to meet the person who bumped this kid. He or she must walk on water. Or have the appropriate last name…

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Wow! She has now stated that ‘physiological differences’ between races would cause judges to come to different legal conclusions. Classic definition of intellectual racism…

I pray I will never have a legal case come up before her. I also fear for the future of my country.

I heard her say her words have failed her[/quote]

Dick Durban (senator from Illinois) once said, about Alito, that it wasn’t in his DNA to make fair rulings wrt minorities. Illinois sure sends some real winners to Washington, eh?

[quote]jnd wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

I wrote it incorrectly on purpose. It was more fun that way. Really.

So that explains all of your posts. You are actually an intelligent person just masquerading as an idiot. I feel much better now knowing that you are not the fool you play on T-Nation forums.

jnd
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TC had you in mind when he wrote the following:

"Trouble is, you can’t even see that the heroes in the movies you idolize usually stand alone; are usually ridiculed by others for having independent thoughts, but what you idolize and how you act are completely at odds; there’s absolutely no congruency.

But go ahead and follow the herd; it’s safer. And go ahead and be angry, because that’s the only acceptable emotion."

Yup, that whole article seems written for you, Pinheadboy.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Christine wrote:
So you assume then that her scores, while good, were worse than those of white males?

No. But I’ve seen too many white teens, standing in disbelief, while they hear of minority students in THE SAME CLASS get into schools (often with huge rides) while they were passed over. No problem except the white teen would often have a higher ACT, higher GPA, captain of a sports team, while the minority student went home to play video games.

You would be truly truly shocked at how often this happens.

Somewhere, in our country, is someone who DIDN’T get into the schools that Sotomajor did. That person is better, smarter, and more ambitious. But their dream got crushed by a terrible idea…the idea of giving the undeserved.[/quote]

No I wouldn’t be shocked, but how do you know that there were more qualified students than her? The only thing that you base that on is her gender and ethnicity.

And if they are so much better, how is not getting into a certain university going to crush their dreams? It’s called rejection. Get used to it. Life isn’t always fair, and the best person doesn’t always win. I guess that ambitious person of superior intellect is now living under a bridge due to having their dream crushed and plotting revenge against Sotomayor.

[quote]Christine wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Christine wrote:
So you assume then that her scores, while good, were worse than those of white males?

No. But I’ve seen too many white teens, standing in disbelief, while they hear of minority students in THE SAME CLASS get into schools (often with huge rides) while they were passed over. No problem except the white teen would often have a higher ACT, higher GPA, captain of a sports team, while the minority student went home to play video games.

You would be truly truly shocked at how often this happens.

Somewhere, in our country, is someone who DIDN’T get into the schools that Sotomajor did. That person is better, smarter, and more ambitious. But their dream got crushed by a terrible idea…the idea of giving the undeserved.

No I wouldn’t be shocked, but how do you know that there were more qualified students than her? The only thing that you base that on is her gender and ethnicity.

And if they are so much better, how is not getting into a certain university going to crush their dreams? It’s called rejection. Get used to it. Life isn’t always fair, and the best person doesn’t always win. I guess that ambitious person of superior intellect is now living under a bridge due to having their dream crushed and plotting revenge against Sotomayor.
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She said so herself. If she had not bumped someone else, because of AA, she’d not be where she is now.

The problem with AA is that it loads up places with minorities who then won’t even interview any white males. Happened at the university where my wife teaches. Hell, she might have gotten her job because of that, for all I know. The minority faculty members said (to the particular dept head) that they were ‘uncomfortable’ around white males.

I can understand that cause at least two of the women in that department are lesbos.