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[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
You said there was significant opposition to entering Iraq BEFORE the war. You were wrong.

Man! You really are in the dark.

[i]"The months leading up to the war saw protests across the United States, the largest of which, held on February 15, 2003 involved between 300,000 - 400,000 protesters in New York City, with smaller numbers protesting in Seattle, San Francisco, Chicago, and other cities.

Consistent with the anti-war rhetoric of the protests, in the months leading up to the Iraq War, American public opinion heavily favored a diplomatic solution over immediate military intervention. A January 2003 CBS News/New York Times poll found that 63% of Americans wanted President Bush to find a diplomatic solution to the Iraq situation, compared with 31% who favored immediate military intervention." [/i]

I repeat; get out of Texas more.[/quote]

[i]A USA Today/Gallup Poll indicated that 75% of Americans felt the U.S. did not make a mistake in sending troops to Iraq in March 2003. However, according to the same poll retaken in April 2007, 58% of the participants stated that the initial attack was a mistake.[1].

In May, 2007, the New York Times and CBS News released similar results of a poll in which 61% of participants believed the U.S. “should have stayed out” of Iraq."[/i]

You need to read what you post.

And citing wikipedia for proof of something other than a definition?

You are a sad, sad, little woman.

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Rainjack is right lixy.

There simply was no opposition.

The UN were against it because Koffee is black. The French were against it because they’re cowards, the Germans because they didn’t want to see the US win again, the Belgians because they hate the US.

And Bliks couldn’t find the hidden wmd because he was a blundering fool. Al Baradei was in cahoots with the brutal dictator.

Those mass demonstrations all around the globe never really happened, it was the same 50 people walking around in the Arizona dessert.

Leave the poor boy in his bubble. He won’t be able to survive out of it.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Rainjack is right lixy.

There simply was no opposition.

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You need to read - and then show me where I said there was no opposition.

Then you need to re-read, after finding out that you are a liar, and get the context of the conversation.

Lixy said there was significant opposition in the US. The US. The US. Then she posted a story that said , in 2003 the US was in favor of invading 75-25.

Please show me where the fucking germans , or the fucking french entered the conversation?

I think you swallowed too many worms while looking up at your dad’s ass.

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Raijack,

What percentage of opposition is required for it to be significant? It’s certainly less than 50% or it would be called a majority instead…

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:

And Bliks couldn’t find the hidden wmd because he was a blundering fool. Al Baradei was in cahoots with the brutal dictator.

[/quote]

Hey, now hes name sounds like that of a racecar driver. Last time you made him a hockeyplayer :slight_smile:

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Raijack,

What percentage of opposition is required for it to be significant? It’s certainly less than 50% or it would be called a majority instead…[/quote]

In our political arena - 75-25 is almost a landslide.

I’d say significant would have to be somewhere between that and 49.999999%

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
In our political arena - 75-25 is almost a landslide.

I’d say significant would have to be somewhere between that and 49.999999%[/quote]

I won’t disagree with the majority landslide comment, but 25% of the population is still significant.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
rainjack wrote:
In our political arena - 75-25 is almost a landslide.

I’d say significant would have to be somewhere between that and 49.999999%

I won’t disagree with the majority landslide comment, but 25% of the population is still significant.
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Depends on what the issue is. 25% of americans dying overnight? That is significant. 25% of americans cheating on their taxes? That’s not even worth mentioning.

I think 25% of americans being against a police action/war/occupation is closer to cheating on your taxes.

But let’s say it is significant - that means that the folks currently supporting the war would be more significant than those against the war at the outset.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
I won’t disagree with the majority landslide comment, but 25% of the population is still significant.
[/quote]

I never used the term “significant”. I wrote “substantial”, which means essentially anything that’s not negligible.

I agree that 25% is significant, and will add that RJ is just playing dumb. Or is he…?

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Talk of Iraq withdrawal hits defense stocks, but spending goes on

“Congress gave the troops a 3.5% pay raise versus the 3% (the administration) wanted, and were upset they didn’t get it,” Korb said. “If they were upset over that, it must mean they’re really looking at the numbers and thinking, ‘My God, we got to get this under control.’”

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Pretty compelling rebuttal to not just Pollack and O’Hanlon, but the vast majority of high-level visits to Iraq:

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Iraq bomb death toll reaches 344


BBC News Friday, 17 August 2007

"The governor of the Sinjar region of north-western Iraq has said 344 people died in Tuesday’s multiple bomb attacks against the minority Yazidi community.

He said another 400 people had been injured by the blasts and that he believed 70 others were still buried in the rubble of destroyed buildings.

About 600 local residents had been made homeless, the governor added.

The attacks on the two Yazidi villages near Sinjar were among the deadliest in Iraq since the US-led invasion in 2003.

In fresh violence, a US soldier was killed when a military outpost in Tarmiya, north of Baghdad, came under fire on Thursday evening."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6951221.stm[/quote]

Your celebration of the murder of these people is sickening.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Your celebration of the murder of these people is sickening.[/quote]

I say arm the Yazidis and send them against Al-Qaeda.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Pretty compelling rebuttal to not just Pollack and O’Hanlon, but the vast majority of high-level visits to Iraq:

"This practice ought to have been (finally) discredited by Sen. John McCain’s trip to Baghdad in the spring, after which he all but declared that Freedom had marched alongside him as he strolled through a marketplace, chatting with shopkeepers. That McCain had been trailed by an armada of armored vehicles and Black Hawk helicopters was only later reported by “60 Minutes.”

What a buffoon. And this guy actually sat in a P.O.W. camp in Vietnam. This is all the truth-telling he can manage for the American people?

Illusions of the "counter"insurgents.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Your celebration of the murder of these people is sickening.[/quote]

Yeah, I’m breaking the champagne as we speak. Oh, wait…

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Roadside bomb kills Iraq governor

The Shia governor of Iraq’s southern Muthana province has been killed by a roadside bomb, officials have said.

The governor, Mohammed Ali al-Hasani, was killed when the bomb exploded next to his convoy as it drove through the provincial capital, Samawa, police say.

Several bodyguards were also injured in the explosion, which happened at 0800 local time (0400 GMT).

Mr Hasani belonged to the largest Shia party in Iraq, the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council (SiiC).

He is the second Shia governor killed this month.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

Depends on what the issue is. 25% of americans dying overnight? That is significant. 25% of americans cheating on their taxes? That’s not even worth mentioning.

I think 25% of americans being against a police action/war/occupation is closer to cheating on your taxes.

But let’s say it is significant - that means that the folks currently supporting the war would be more significant than those against the war at the outset. [/quote]

I think you’re underestimating the opposition in the U.S. and around the world to the Iraq invasion.

Prior to one set of boots or one bomb impacting Iraq soil, hundreds of thousands (probably millions if you count protests in various cities in the U.S) of people protested this war. That is unheard of in U.S. history. It was at least 10 years of American involvement in Vietnam before opposition reached significant levels, or anything near what we had before Iraq.

So yeah, the number of people who protested was significant and substantial.

Dustin

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
Prior to one set of boots or one bomb impacting Iraq soil, hundreds of thousands (probably millions if you count protests in various cities in the U.S) of people protested this war. That is unheard of in U.S. history. It was at least 10 years of American involvement in Vietnam before opposition reached significant levels, or anything near what we had before Iraq.

So yeah, the number of people who protested was significant and substantial.

Dustin[/quote]

Is that Bos in your avatar? My wife had the biggest thing for him back in the day.

Anyhow -

I’d say opposition to Viet Nam was greater, because it was not a media event. People actually hated the war, the draft, and the MIC.

The opposition to Iraq, while sizable, is a bunch of people trying to get their 15 minutes on CNN. And in the run up - there were not millions. The real opposition did not start until after Baghdad fell.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Roadside bomb kills Iraq governor
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Yeah, we should just pack up and leave Iraq. That’s a good idea. Let the locals handle the ex-Baathists and al-qaeda elements themselves. That sounds like a good idea-not.

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I can’t help myself.

Here’s hillary “bradley/dustybottoms/gdol’s” clinton:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070821/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_iraq_6

It’s working.

JeffR