A Thread about Religion

opeth7opeth · May 24, 2015, 12:11am

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
You really are on the wrong page. Quelle odeur.[/quote]

Thanks for the confirmation, kaaleppi.

“But thanks be to God, the One always leading us in triumph in Christ, and the One revealing through us the odor of the knowledge of Him in every place. For we are a sweet smell to God because of Christ in those being saved, and in those being lost; to the one, an odor of death unto death, and to the other, an odor of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as the many, peddling the Word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God. We speak in Christ, in the sight of God” (2 Corinthians 2:14-17).

kaaleppi · May 24, 2015, 12:24am

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
You really are on the wrong page. Quelle odeur.[/quote]

Thanks for the confirmation, kaaleppi.

“But thanks be to God, the One always leading us in triumph in Christ, and the One revealing through us the odor of the knowledge of Him in every place. For we are a sweet smell to God because of Christ in those being saved, and in those being lost; to the one, an odor of death unto death, and to the other, an odor of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as the many, peddling the Word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God. We speak in Christ, in the sight of God” (2 Corinthians 2:14-17).
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You gave me a dose of Monty Python, thank you. I’m amused. Still, your wall of biblical quotes is without meaning to any unbeliever. What is the point whit it? Attention?

opeth7opeth · May 24, 2015, 12:42am

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
You really are on the wrong page. Quelle odeur.[/quote]

Thanks for the confirmation, kaaleppi.

“But thanks be to God, the One always leading us in triumph in Christ, and the One revealing through us the odor of the knowledge of Him in every place. For we are a sweet smell to God because of Christ in those being saved, and in those being lost; to the one, an odor of death unto death, and to the other, an odor of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as the many, peddling the Word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God. We speak in Christ, in the sight of God” (2 Corinthians 2:14-17).
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You gave me a dose of Monty Python, thank you. I’m amused. Still, your wall of biblical quotes is without meaning to any unbeliever. What is the point whit it? Attention? [/quote]

Apparently my wall of Biblical quotes carry sufficient meaning for you to hold your nose.

The point “whit it” is that believers in God spread an odor around. And what is that odor? It is the odor of the KNOWLEDGE of CHRIST. It is KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of Christ revealed in the gospel. And this odor of knowledge and understanding has two effects. To the elect, it is an odor of life, for the gospel of Jesus Christ, which gives the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ to His people, is the power of God unto salvation. To the reprobate or non-elect, it is an odor of death, because it is foolish and offensive to the carnal mind that is bent on establishing a righteousness of its own, and God uses it to harden the reprobate for destruction.

Notice in 2 Corinthians 2:15 that BOTH RESULTS make this odor smell sweet to God. God is not disappointed that the reprobate do not come to Him. He is not mourning over sinners that He wished would be saved. He is WELL-PLEASED with His hardening of the reprobate through the gospel, and the odor of the knowledge of Christ is SWEET when it has the effect of hardening the reprobate. So even if NOT ONE PERSON comes to faith in Christ through a true preacher’s preaching, that preaching was a success. We see this in some of the Old Testament prophets, who were commanded to preach in order for the people to be hardened.

And lastly, in light of the truth of election and reprobation, true preachers do not hawk the word of God. That means that they do not peddle the word of God. To ‘hawk’ means to offer for sale by outcry in the street. True preachers of God do NOT do that. They do not use the gospel as a sales pitch. They do not proclaim a so-called ‘gospel offer.’ They do not cry out in the streets and tell people that Christ is there for the taking, if they would only do their part. They do not cry out that Christ is knocking at the door of their heart and is waiting for them to let him in. That’s for the Whitefields and the Moodys, not for true preachers. The true preachers preach the truth, which is the gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone, realizing that it is an odor of life to some and an odor of death to others.

kaaleppi · May 24, 2015, 12:50am

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
You really are on the wrong page. Quelle odeur.[/quote]

Thanks for the confirmation, kaaleppi.

“But thanks be to God, the One always leading us in triumph in Christ, and the One revealing through us the odor of the knowledge of Him in every place. For we are a sweet smell to God because of Christ in those being saved, and in those being lost; to the one, an odor of death unto death, and to the other, an odor of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as the many, peddling the Word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God. We speak in Christ, in the sight of God” (2 Corinthians 2:14-17).
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You gave me a dose of Monty Python, thank you. I’m amused. Still, your wall of biblical quotes is without meaning to any unbeliever. What is the point whit it? Attention? [/quote]

Apparently my wall of Biblical quotes carry sufficient meaning for you to hold your nose.

The point “whit it” is that believers in God spread an odor around. And what is that odor? It is the odor of the KNOWLEDGE of CHRIST. It is KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of Christ revealed in the gospel. And this odor of knowledge and understanding has two effects. To the elect, it is an odor of life, for the gospel of Jesus Christ, which gives the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ to His people, is the power of God unto salvation. To the reprobate or non-elect, it is an odor of death, because it is foolish and offensive to the carnal mind that is bent on establishing a righteousness of its own, and God uses it to harden the reprobate for destruction.

Notice in 2 Corinthians 2:15 that BOTH RESULTS make this odor smell sweet to God. God is not disappointed that the reprobate do not come to Him. He is not mourning over sinners that He wished would be saved. He is WELL-PLEASED with His hardening of the reprobate through the gospel, and the odor of the knowledge of Christ is SWEET when it has the effect of hardening the reprobate. So even if NOT ONE PERSON comes to faith in Christ through a true preacher’s preaching, that preaching was a success. We see this in some of the Old Testament prophets, who were commanded to preach in order for the people to be hardened.

And lastly, in light of the truth of election and reprobation, true preachers do not hawk the word of God. That means that they do not peddle the word of God. To ‘hawk’ means to offer for sale by outcry in the street. True preachers of God do NOT do that. They do not use the gospel as a sales pitch. They do not proclaim a so-called ‘gospel offer.’ They do not cry out in the streets and tell people that Christ is there for the taking, if they would only do their part. They do not cry out that Christ is knocking at the door of their heart and is waiting for them to let him in. That’s for the Whitefields and the Moodys, not for true preachers. The true preachers preach the truth, which is the gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone, realizing that it is an odor of life to some and an odor of death to others.
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A finnish guy misspells “with” and you run with it, Fuck you. I’m disappointed you are a christian.

opeth7opeth · May 24, 2015, 1:00am

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
You really are on the wrong page. Quelle odeur.[/quote]

Thanks for the confirmation, kaaleppi.

“But thanks be to God, the One always leading us in triumph in Christ, and the One revealing through us the odor of the knowledge of Him in every place. For we are a sweet smell to God because of Christ in those being saved, and in those being lost; to the one, an odor of death unto death, and to the other, an odor of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as the many, peddling the Word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God. We speak in Christ, in the sight of God” (2 Corinthians 2:14-17).
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You gave me a dose of Monty Python, thank you. I’m amused. Still, your wall of biblical quotes is without meaning to any unbeliever. What is the point whit it? Attention? [/quote]

Apparently my wall of Biblical quotes carry sufficient meaning for you to hold your nose.

The point “whit it” is that believers in God spread an odor around. And what is that odor? It is the odor of the KNOWLEDGE of CHRIST. It is KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of Christ revealed in the gospel. And this odor of knowledge and understanding has two effects. To the elect, it is an odor of life, for the gospel of Jesus Christ, which gives the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ to His people, is the power of God unto salvation. To the reprobate or non-elect, it is an odor of death, because it is foolish and offensive to the carnal mind that is bent on establishing a righteousness of its own, and God uses it to harden the reprobate for destruction.

Notice in 2 Corinthians 2:15 that BOTH RESULTS make this odor smell sweet to God. God is not disappointed that the reprobate do not come to Him. He is not mourning over sinners that He wished would be saved. He is WELL-PLEASED with His hardening of the reprobate through the gospel, and the odor of the knowledge of Christ is SWEET when it has the effect of hardening the reprobate. So even if NOT ONE PERSON comes to faith in Christ through a true preacher’s preaching, that preaching was a success. We see this in some of the Old Testament prophets, who were commanded to preach in order for the people to be hardened.

And lastly, in light of the truth of election and reprobation, true preachers do not hawk the word of God. That means that they do not peddle the word of God. To ‘hawk’ means to offer for sale by outcry in the street. True preachers of God do NOT do that. They do not use the gospel as a sales pitch. They do not proclaim a so-called ‘gospel offer.’ They do not cry out in the streets and tell people that Christ is there for the taking, if they would only do their part. They do not cry out that Christ is knocking at the door of their heart and is waiting for them to let him in. That’s for the Whitefields and the Moodys, not for true preachers. The true preachers preach the truth, which is the gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone, realizing that it is an odor of life to some and an odor of death to others.
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A finnish guy misspells “with” and you run with it, Fuck you. I’m disappointed you are a christian.[/quote]

I was not running with it at all. I did not even think that you (a Finnish guy) necessarily unwittingly misspelled “whit it” anymore than I would think a Finnish or English or Spaniard necessarily unwittingly misspelled “I dunno,” “whaddaya know,” or “don hurt’em mayne.”

kaaleppi · May 24, 2015, 1:23am

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
You really are on the wrong page. Quelle odeur.[/quote]

Thanks for the confirmation, kaaleppi.

“But thanks be to God, the One always leading us in triumph in Christ, and the One revealing through us the odor of the knowledge of Him in every place. For we are a sweet smell to God because of Christ in those being saved, and in those being lost; to the one, an odor of death unto death, and to the other, an odor of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as the many, peddling the Word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God. We speak in Christ, in the sight of God” (2 Corinthians 2:14-17).
[/quote]

You gave me a dose of Monty Python, thank you. I’m amused. Still, your wall of biblical quotes is without meaning to any unbeliever. What is the point whit it? Attention? [/quote]

Apparently my wall of Biblical quotes carry sufficient meaning for you to hold your nose.

The point “whit it” is that believers in God spread an odor around. And what is that odor? It is the odor of the KNOWLEDGE of CHRIST. It is KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of Christ revealed in the gospel. And this odor of knowledge and understanding has two effects. To the elect, it is an odor of life, for the gospel of Jesus Christ, which gives the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ to His people, is the power of God unto salvation. To the reprobate or non-elect, it is an odor of death, because it is foolish and offensive to the carnal mind that is bent on establishing a righteousness of its own, and God uses it to harden the reprobate for destruction.

Notice in 2 Corinthians 2:15 that BOTH RESULTS make this odor smell sweet to God. God is not disappointed that the reprobate do not come to Him. He is not mourning over sinners that He wished would be saved. He is WELL-PLEASED with His hardening of the reprobate through the gospel, and the odor of the knowledge of Christ is SWEET when it has the effect of hardening the reprobate. So even if NOT ONE PERSON comes to faith in Christ through a true preacher’s preaching, that preaching was a success. We see this in some of the Old Testament prophets, who were commanded to preach in order for the people to be hardened.

And lastly, in light of the truth of election and reprobation, true preachers do not hawk the word of God. That means that they do not peddle the word of God. To ‘hawk’ means to offer for sale by outcry in the street. True preachers of God do NOT do that. They do not use the gospel as a sales pitch. They do not proclaim a so-called ‘gospel offer.’ They do not cry out in the streets and tell people that Christ is there for the taking, if they would only do their part. They do not cry out that Christ is knocking at the door of their heart and is waiting for them to let him in. That’s for the Whitefields and the Moodys, not for true preachers. The true preachers preach the truth, which is the gospel of salvation conditioned on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone, realizing that it is an odor of life to some and an odor of death to others.
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A finnish guy misspells “with” and you run with it, Fuck you. I’m disappointed you are a christian.[/quote]

I was not running with it at all. I did not even think that you (a Finnish guy) necessarily unwittingly misspelled “whit it” anymore than I would think a Finnish or English or Spaniard necessarily unwittingly misspelled “I dunno,” “whaddaya know,” or “don hurt’em mayne.”
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Yada yada, you are not interested of the uncertainties that torture mortals, you are baiting, so shame on you.

PonyWhisperer · May 24, 2015, 2:23am

Opeth,

Just wondering what your stance is (or what you think God’s stance is) on non-sinners that do “not come to faith in Christ”? I understand that you may want to answer with something like, “there are no non-sinners” or bring up original sin and such, so let’s just say that the person I’m referring to is just about as “non-sinny” as you can get. This person gives freely of their time to others, doesn’t lie cheat or steal, works with charities etc. They just haven’t for some reason accepted religion as their cup of tea, whether it be a bad indoctrination, bad PR, a general lack of faith or a naturally skeptical nature.

So they are aware of the Church (in all its’ many incarnations and denominations) they just haven’t bought in. Is God still happy with this guy not buying in? Is this paragon of human virtue screwed on judgment day? I’m not mocking your beliefs just asking for a clarification of how you think it works.

Varqanir · May 24, 2015, 3:25am

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
A man can understand God in the same way that a four-year-old can understand Santa Claus.

And for all the same reasons.[/quote]

That is an assumption that many make. “Those simple minded religious are only faithful in the hopes that they will be repaid in the afterlife, which itself is a fallacy.” But do you really think it’s that simple?[/quote]

No, and that’s not exactly what I meant.

What does a four-year-old know about Santa Claus?

Why does a four-year-old know anything about Santa Claus?

Who benefits if four-year-olds believe in Santa Claus?

Does Santa Claus care if four-year-olds believe in him? Why or why not?[/quote]

Yes, this is what your earthworm mind does with what it assumes.[/quote]

Try using your earthworm mind to answer the questions.

Varqanir · May 24, 2015, 3:42am

[quote]opeth7opeth wrote:

When you fellas say that you “tried to believe” do you mean tried to believe in the true God of the Bible?
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For white Americans in the twentieth century, Yahweh was pretty much the only game in town. And yeah, I’ve read all of the quotes you pasted.

If I could have found a church of Zeus and Apollo and Aphrodite and Athena, I probably would have tried harder to believe in them, because I think they’re more interesting gods.

Varqanir · May 24, 2015, 8:04am

[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
Opeth,

Just wondering what your stance is (or what you think God’s stance is) on non-sinners that do “not come to faith in Christ”? I understand that you may want to answer with something like, “there are no non-sinners” or bring up original sin and such, so let’s just say that the person I’m referring to is just about as “non-sinny” as you can get. This person gives freely of their time to others, doesn’t lie cheat or steal, works with charities etc. They just haven’t for some reason accepted religion as their cup of tea, whether it be a bad indoctrination, bad PR, a general lack of faith or a naturally skeptical nature. So they are aware of the Church (in all its’ many incarnations and denominations) they just haven’t bought in. Is God still happy with this guy not buying in? Is this paragon of human virtue screwed on judgment day? I’m not mocking your beliefs just asking for a clarification of how you think it works.[/quote]

“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23

Open and shut case. No Jesus, no heaven.

According to the Apostle Paul, your “non-sinny” individual simply doesn’t exist. He might be able to squeak into Jewish Heaven, where they’re a lot more about living a righteous life (see Jewbacca’s Ask Moshe thread for all you ever might want to know about eschatology in Judaism), but yeah, he’d be pretty much screwed if he tried to get into Christian Heaven, if he didn’t happen to reek of that Sweet Smell of having been Bathed in the Blood of the Lamb of God.

SexMachine · May 24, 2015, 5:19am

[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

Thank you for your rich answer. After our last conversation I didn’t really know your position.

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Descriptive but full of grammatical errors and several words missing making nonsense of one sentence. I’m using my phone to type.

Thank you, I like that. I’ll remember it. The way of bushido is pretty inspiring. Mastering your emotions is something all men should work tirelessly towards. The honour system used to impress me too until I learned a bit more about it and realised it’s not personal honour but face saving, group conformity fake ass honour.

Really? That’s what men spend their lives battling. What are you saying here? When, where and why should a man not be putting up the strongest front he can manage? I really disagree with you on this. Revealing weakness will always harm a man and probably the person he reveals weakness too like his wife or mother or sister. Revealing weakness to anyone ever is stupid. Trust me on this one. Fight weaknesses and put up the strongest front you can to everyone. It’s better for them and better for you.

I’m assuming you’re a guy but I don’t know. But I think you’ve got the wrong mindset. Any situation a man walks into with other people - colleagues, friends, family etc - he puts up the strongest front he can and scopes everyone else out and plays his cards to “win” which usually means be the dominant man there. Don’t listen to any of that feminist mindfuck stuff.

I think it’s probably too late for any kind of spiritual revival. Once the generational continuity is broken the link with the past and tradition is gone.

Here’s the thing. Do you need that social circle or do you have other social circle/s, a tight crew / family?

Are you a social organiser? Can you kick off your own social circles with your bubbly, gregarious nature inviting groups or four or more people who are valuable social hubs themselves to social events and that sort of stuff?

If you can’t do the social organiser thing, do you know anyone who can? Preferably a woman as they’re better at it.

Just consider all the above and decide if you need to stay with your congregation? And even if you do, just work on something so you can hook up with better people.

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E: I reread your story. It sadly tells how intimately we are bound with flesh. It could be my story, though I’m not that though. It’s my friends story who died of bone cancer ten years ago. Weakness is a part of us and our aversion to it is a problem in itself.[/quote]

You’ve got the wrong mindset friend. Life is a constant fight and struggle against pain, weakness and all the unpleasant stuff. You’ve got to make the best of it by succeeding and you do that by putting up the strongest front to everyone always.

opeth7opeth · May 24, 2015, 3:10pm