A Family Dog

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Well, my wife and I entered the family dog fray this past summer. We had been contemplating it for a while, researching breeds etc. We have 3 kids, aged 10,7 and 5. The 10 year old has airborne allergy issues and the 5 year old is mildly autistic. It’s safe to say we had some circumstances to consider. We got a goldendoodle pup from a very reputable breeder in Ohio and she has been the best puppy - lovable, VERY trainable and cute as hell. We picked her up at 8 weeks and she was basically housebroken from day 1. She learned “sit” and “shake” within the first week and picked up “down”, “stay” and “come” very quickly as well. I haven’t regretted her for a minute.

Here she is at 4 months.

DB

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I love the doodles. Goldens are a bit calmer and easier to train than the labs. Actually, anything mixed with poodle is very trainable as poodle is the 2nd smartest breed (Border Collie is # 1). Yours is adorable.

Get a Great Dane.

They’re goddamn fucking hyoooge.

[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
Well, my wife and I entered the family dog fray this past summer. We had been contemplating it for a while, researching breeds etc. We have 3 kids, aged 10,7 and 5. The 10 year old has airborne allergy issues and the 5 year old is mildly autistic. It’s safe to say we had some circumstances to consider. We got a goldendoodle pup from a very reputable breeder in Ohio and she has been the best puppy - lovable, VERY trainable and cute as hell. We picked her up at 8 weeks and she was basically housebroken from day 1. She learned “sit” and “shake” within the first week and picked up “down”, “stay” and “come” very quickly as well. I haven’t regretted her for a minute.

Here she is at 4 months.

DB

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She’s beautiful!
How big does that breed get?

Josh is spot on with Pitbulls.

They are good with kids as long as they are used to them from their puppy years. I grew up with one and he never gave a sign of anger towards me( and I used to annoy the shit out of him). He didn’t grow up with any other dog so when he encounter any type of animal he turned into a beast which was kind of cool :P. I grew up in Colombia BTW.

A few years later I moved to the U.S and got another Pitbull for my 15th or 16th birthday(the picture posted). My mom was terrorized, now 4 years later he’s still a puppy in her eyes(she loves him more than me I think lol). I’m not jelous thought I love that dog to death. But anyways he grew up with my other dog(a female boxer). Zeus(the pit) is friendly with any animal. He sees a cat and walks by as if it was me standing there. Just an example of how dogs are just like people and the breed isn’t really of much importance. They have certain traits but not enough for me to ever considering not getting a type of dog because of what people that never had one say.

Ok one more and that’s it :slight_smile:

I vote for a beagle ours is a shelter dog so he has been less than trusting for the last year but he is really starting to come around. Our other is a St. Bernard, she is wonderful but is a lot of work and $. The kids love both but I warn you that once a beagle gets a whiff of something like a rabbit they may track for more than a day so don’t be shocked if it wanders off, they will come back.


Here’s the beagle

Dogs are great but there are some things that you really have to consider that haven’t been brought up.

If you get a dog from the pound or rescue try to find out some of it’s history. Was it abused or beaten and if so was it by a man or woman? Has it been around children? Is it dog or people aggressive?
Will you make the time to take you dog to obedience class? It’s not so much an untrained dog as an untrained owner.
How large is your yard?
Do you mind if your dog runs up and down the fence killing your grass and leaving a rut?
Is it o.k. for the dog to dig holes in your yard?
Will you place stones, if necessary, along your fence so the dog cannot dig out?
How tall is your fence?
I had a whippet that cleared a 5 ft. fence and it took a week to recover it over 20 miles away! It ended up going to a greyhound owner that had 8 ft. fences.
The electronic underground fences will keep your dog in but won’t stop other dogs from coming in.
Will the dog be left outside during the day or kept in the house?
If left outside is it a barker or howler that drives the neighbors nuts?
If kept in the house will it be loose or crated?
If loose some dogs get bored or will be pissed at being left and will chew on everything that they can get their lips on, from shoes and clothes to cabinets and electrical cords.
If crated will you be able to come home during the day so it can go to the bathroom?
Will you go out everyday or two and faithfully clean up all land mines and spray the area with something to remove the smell?
Will you be doing the bathing, trimming of toenails, cleaning of teeth, and expressing of glands yourself or be paying for someone else to do it?
Will you be willing to spend money for good dog food?
You don’t want to see corn as the first ingredient. A lot of skin problems that dogs have are related to nutrition.
How do you feel about hair on your clothes?
Have you and your family spent a lot of time in a house with a dog?
Some allergies don’t show up right away.
Will you have to upgrade your homeowners insurance?
Will you be willing to pay a large vet bill in case of an emergency or severe illness?

Proud owner of a Miniature Blue Merle Australian Shepherd. These dogs are not for everyone.

Anyone with a beagle is going to love this. The absolute masters of escape.

Get a husky!

[quote]silverblood wrote:
Dogs are great but there are some things that you really have to consider that haven’t been brought up.

If you get a dog from the pound or rescue try to find out some of it’s history. Was it abused or beaten and if so was it by a man or woman? Has it been around children? Is it dog or people aggressive?

Will you make the time to take you dog to obedience class? It’s not so much an untrained dog as an untrained owner.
How large is your yard?

Do you mind if your dog runs up and down the fence killing your grass and leaving a rut?
Is it o.k. for the dog to dig holes in your yard?

Will you place stones, if necessary, along your fence so the dog cannot dig out?
How tall is your fence?

I had a whippet that cleared a 5 ft. fence and it took a week to recover it over 20 miles away! It ended up going to a greyhound owner that had 8 ft. fences.

The electronic underground fences will keep your dog in but won’t stop other dogs from coming in.
Will the dog be left outside during the day or kept in the house?

If left outside is it a barker or howler that drives the neighbors nuts?
If kept in the house will it be loose or crated?
If loose some dogs get bored or will be pissed at being left and will chew on everything that they can get their lips on, from shoes and clothes to cabinets and electrical cords.

If crated will you be able to come home during the day so it can go to the bathroom?
Will you go out everyday or two and faithfully clean up all land mines and spray the area with something to remove the smell?

Will you be doing the bathing, trimming of toenails, cleaning of teeth, and expressing of glands yourself or be paying for someone else to do it?
Will you be willing to spend money for good dog food?

You don’t want to see corn as the first ingredient. A lot of skin problems that dogs have are related to nutrition.
How do you feel about hair on your clothes?
Have you and your family spent a lot of time in a house with a dog?

Some allergies don’t show up right away.
Will you have to upgrade your homeowners insurance?
Will you be willing to pay a large vet bill in case of an emergency or severe illness?

Proud owner of a Miniature Blue Merle Australian Shepherd. These dogs are not for everyone.[/quote]

Brilliant post.

The very last point is the doozy though. Vet bills can get crazy and you’ll want to puke if they tell you it will cost $2000 to keep your best friend alive… and even then it’s a maybe.

I always suggest first time dog owners avoid herding, hunting and Terrier breeds. (That eliminates the Shepherd and Beagle.) Sorry, but these breeds typically have a few traits that require some training know-how and more time and patience than a busy family can usually spare.

And FWIW, having “lot’s of room to run” isn’t nearly as important as spending time with and training your dog. (Do be aware that training for some breeds can be a 2-3 year-long process.)

I’ve been a foster and involved in rescue for some time and I will go on record as saying exercise is important, but lack of socialization and training is the #1 reason dogs end up in shelters.

Having had both I won’t get into a debate either for or against purebreds or rescues. What I will suggest is a visit to the AKC (Google American Kennel Club) site where you can learn more about the history, health and temperament of the breeds you are considering, including the breed traits that you will encounter in a mixed breed.

For example, there you would learn that Boxers “were originally used for dog fighting and to run down and hold large game such as wild boar and bison until the hunter could arrive. The breed is known for standing up on its hind legs and batting at its opponent, appearing to box with its front paws.”

Hm. So yes, this breed has probably retained some of the genetic stamp that makes them more inclined to “jump up” on people and other animals. And if you get a mixed breed that has Boxer in it, that dog could very well have some of the classic Boxer traits … to some degree … or not.

This goes for health-related issues too. Many people think mixed breeds are healthier when in fact, they share the same likelihood of inheriting any of the health issues of the breeds in their genetic gene pool.

While purebreds typically share a couple of known genetic health issues, mixed breeds can develop any of the health issues from any of the breeds in it.

When learning about different breeds be sure to pay close attention to descriptive terms like: aloof, wary, determined, etc. While some people (like myself) may value these genetic traits or personality quirks, they are often meant to serve as a PC warning.

Determined may mean the inability to quit and no capacity to feel fear, regardless of the odds or consequences. Aloof may mean indifferent to affection or praise. Wary may mean bonds with one person and distrusts extended family and friends.

Independent may mean prone to flip you the furry finger and take charge. Don’t be swayed by cute or pretty pictures … all breeds have their pros and cons and some genetic traits will run very true to the classic breed standard.

So it helps to know the true standard for your breed, because while training can help diminish or control some traits, others will be more difficult to control. This is very true of certain heritable traits of some breeds more so than others.

Breeds I’ve raised: German Shepherd, Brittany Spaniel, Irish Setter, Afghan Hound, Doberman Pinscher, Australian Cattle Dog. The least number of dogs I’ve ever had at any one time: Three.

Cappy

What a great post, Cappy.

[quote]Capacity wrote:
I always suggest first time dog owners avoid herding, hunting and Terrier breeds. (That eliminates the Shepherd and Beagle.) Sorry, but these breeds typically have a few traits that require some training know-how and more time and patience than a busy family can usually spare. [/quote]

Doesn’t that leave only guarding and fighting breeds?

I am no expert, but this just doesn’t make sense due to dilution of the gene pool. For example, a vast majority of Dalmatians are deaf due to inbreeding (thanks 101 Dalmatians), but I doubt you will find many Dalmatian/mix breeds that are deaf. Specialization has to bring certain genetic traits to the forefront, good or bad.

The way I understand genetics, most disorders and problems are recessive traits. That means as long as you get one good gene from one of your parents you don’t get the disorder. That means that if you have 2 dissimilar parents the likely hood of getting that disorder drops dramatically. It’s why we don’t marry cousins, the parental gene pool becomes shallow.

[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Capacity wrote:
I always suggest first time dog owners avoid herding, hunting and Terrier breeds. (That eliminates the Shepherd and Beagle.) Sorry, but these breeds typically have a few traits that require some training know-how and more time and patience than a busy family can usually spare.

Doesn’t that leave only guarding and fighting breeds?

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Um, no.
Sporting Group: Includes Setters, Spaniels and Retrievers
Hounds: Well, Hounds (including Beagles)
Working Group: Includes all giant breeds. Most are bred for strength and/or endurance.
Terriers: Um, all Terriers…
Toy Group: Small dogs. Most were bred as guard dogs (the kind that alert you - not save your ass from the side of a mountain) Some are purly ornamental (lap dogs)
Herding Group: Includes all Shepherds and the #1 smartest breed, the Border Collie.

[quote]Geminspector wrote:
Testy1 wrote:
Capacity wrote:
I always suggest first time dog owners avoid herding, hunting and Terrier breeds. (That eliminates the Shepherd and Beagle.) Sorry, but these breeds typically have a few traits that require some training know-how and more time and patience than a busy family can usually spare.

Doesn’t that leave only guarding and fighting breeds?

Um, no.
Sporting Group: Includes Setters, Spaniels and Retrievers
Hounds: Well, Hounds (including Beagles)
Working Group: Includes all giant breeds. Most are bred for strength and/or endurance.
Terriers: Um, all Terriers…
Toy Group: Small dogs. Most were bred as guard dogs (the kind that alert you - not save your ass from the side of a mountain) Some are purly ornamental (lap dogs)
Herding Group: Includes all Shepherds and the #1 smartest breed, the Border Collie.
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How does that qualify as a no? The only one left out was the toy group, and you lumped them in with guard dogs. And really, it is very easy to forget they are dogs.

Uh, working group?

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Uh, working group? [/quote]

Uh, wouldn’t that include herders?

The AKC has established these groups - not me. Yes, there is a “working group”, although all dogs, with the exception of a few toy breeds were bred to work in some capacity.