[quote]Cortes wrote:[quote]Big_Dave wrote:
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? It’s great that people have a choice of whether or not they want to spend their lives raising a down syndrome child. [/quote]
So, feel free to correct me, but I can’t see any other possible way of reading your post than,“Eugenics is great!” There isn’t even an attempt to mask the pure selfish evil of your statement. And yes, I most certainly did use the word evil. Monstrous evil.
Wow. I can’t wait till this thread hits max posts and gets locked out and kneedragger starts a new one; so that all of the people who won’t bother getting into a thread that is so long can start fresh, and see the staggeringly sick ideas of morality that are on full display here.
You do realize who else gets sucked limb from tiny limb through that glass vacuum tube in your lovely little world here, don’t you? Girls. Lots and lots of girls. Do you think that’s also great?
Well now. You have to. Don’t you?
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Kneedragger then said: I LIKE THIS POST!! And you are correct, I will start another abortion thread as soon as this one is locked out. And I will keep posting here and talk about abortion, that is until Roe v Wade is repealed in America.
[quote]Cortes wrote:[quote]Big_Dave wrote:
Is this supposed to be a bad thing? It’s great that people have a choice of whether or not they want to spend their lives raising a down syndrome child. [/quote]
So, feel free to correct me, but I can’t see any other possible way of reading your post than,“Eugenics is great!” There isn’t even an attempt to mask the pure selfish evil of your statement. And yes, I most certainly did use the word evil. Monstrous evil.
Wow. I can’t wait till this thread hits max posts and gets locked out and kneedragger starts a new one; so that all of the people who won’t bother getting into a thread that is so long can start fresh, and see the staggeringly sick ideas of morality that are on full display here.
You do realize who else gets sucked limb from tiny limb through that glass vacuum tube in your lovely little world here, don’t you? Girls. Lots and lots of girls. Do you think that’s also great?
Well now. You have to. Don’t you?
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Kneedragger then said: I LIKE THIS POST!! And you are correct, I will start another abortion thread as soon as this one is locked out. And I will keep posting here and talk about abortion, that is until Roe v Wade is repealed in America. [/quote]
Here’s a curveball back at you. Please answer us this one, simple question: When does a conceived human, become a human?
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Thanks for the invite to play, but I think I’ll bow out. Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts.
Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.
I want to add this post before the thread closes. [Not that I know it will happen, just people believe it will happen soon.]
For the people who believe that abortion is justified for, say, Down’s syndrome, autism, Aspergers, or any genetic characteristic that is used, simply tell them to meet one of those people with the characteristic. Just like Brian was telling me that just because someone is special needs, that justifies their slaughter in their first home, the womb.
The best part, the pro-death people would never tell others that killing a child after they are born is justifiable. However, some will say that ‘Abortion is acceptable only if before three months.’ If that were true, then what changes at the three month mark? ‘Well they can feel pain or etc.’ I want to know with science what changes and I NEVER hear a response. The best was when Brian was having a conversation with me a few pages back and then . . . . he left. Yet he still posts worthless liberal garbage in other threads.
If a pro-death person still wants to use a given trait to justify the slaughter of the unborn, simply tell them to meet someone with one of the traits they use and they will leave the discussion. Why? Because they can never justify murder. Even the pro-death crowd have morals, they are just buried by many misconceptions. Most are spread by primarily the media. Then there are even those who will say ‘The government allows for it’ and soon they will pipe down after you bring up slavery, Japanese internment camps, and the right to vote for women, these examples that were once allowed by our government.
The pro-death crowd [i]ALWAYS[/i] leaves once backed into a corner with nothing to stand on.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:<<< Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.[/quote]You’re giving lessons in debate!? Where do I sign up? I cannot go on another day without adding yet another libertine, post modern, “progressive” women’s overpowering debating skills to my storehouse of life experiences.
For the record, my true purpose is obedience to the living God. Your opinion is a distant afterthought. You can kill off as many of your own children in the name of your sick and twisted perversion of liberty as you want. You’re culling your own herd and the God I know uses even this sin to His glory. You WILL bring praise To His name. Even in your stiff necked perverse abuse of His gifts to you as a woman created in His image. You ARE serving His purpose. It cannot be otherwise.
Here’s a curveball back at you. Please answer us this one, simple question: When does a conceived human, become a human?
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Thanks for the invite to play, but I think I’ll bow out. Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts.
Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.[/quote]
Translation: I don’t have any substantial argument, so I’ll just mutter something about dogma and sour grapes and walk away from the dumb, drive-by post I made without answering the simple, direct question I was asked.
Since you are so enlightened, perhaps you’d like to point out the specific “dogma” that was expressed by me, specifically, in my post to you? I can’t seem to find it, probably because I’m so blinded by my faith. Perhaps, with your superior skills of reasoning, you can show me The Way.
I’m sure you WON’T but I’ll try and ask you again. No dogma: Exactly when does a conceived human become a human being?
Is this such a hard question to answer?
Of course, you and I both know that it is. Because answering it would require you to justify your OWN dogma. And deep down inside, past all of the talking points and vaginal veneration and self-delusion and denial, you know that what you believe really is immoral.
Please quote me where I was “very limited [in] civility” or where I was “dogmatic” before someone was playing the purposeful fool.
I have said from the beginning; prove to me using logic and current science that the unborn are [i]NOT[/i] alive from the moment of conception and I will argue the case for the death side.
Never, even one time has this happened.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Thanks for the invite to play, but I think I’ll bow out. Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts.
Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.[/quote]
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts.
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I know, I love this ^^^ line.
Please. Give me a break.
Here’s another one who wanders over into PWI and drops a couple of ignorant strawman arguments and then thinks she is going to get away without being called to justify her comments.
Here’s a curveball back at you. Please answer us this one, simple question: When does a conceived human, become a human?
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Thanks for the invite to play, but I think I’ll bow out. Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts.
Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.[/quote]
You are officially the smartest person to post in here so far. No matter what point your trying to make, arguing in this forum brings you down a level.
This can be taken two different ways. Please tell me if you are pro-LIFE or pro-DEATH.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
You are officially the smartest person to post in here so far. No matter what point your trying to make, arguing in this forum brings you down a level.[/quote]
Here’s a curveball back at you. Please answer us this one, simple question: When does a conceived human, become a human?
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Thanks for the invite to play, but I think I’ll bow out. Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts.
Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.[/quote]
You are officially the smartest person to post in here so far. No matter what point your trying to make, arguing in this forum brings you down a level.[/quote]
What does that say about the rest of us still here?!
Here’s a curveball back at you. Please answer us this one, simple question: When does a conceived human, become a human?
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Thanks for the invite to play, but I think I’ll bow out. Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts.
Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.[/quote]
You are officially the smartest person to post in here so far. No matter what point your trying to make, arguing in this forum brings you down a level.[/quote]
What does that say about the rest of us still here?![/quote]
[quote]sufiandy wrote:[quote]Makavali wrote:[quote]sufiandy wrote:[quote]kpsnap wrote:[quote]Cortes wrote:
Here’s a curveball back at you. Please answer us this one, simple question: When does a conceived human, become a human? [/quote]Thanks for the invite to play, but I think I’ll bow out. Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts. Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.[/quote]You are officially the smartest person to post in here so far. No matter what point your trying to make, arguing in this forum brings you down a level.[/quote]What does that say about the rest of us still here?![/quote]That we could learn from her, myself included.[/quote]I guess we are just not going to an answer to Cortes question. Instead we’ll get mutual stroking about how ingenious it is to run away. Positively scintillating dialogue I’ve come to expect from liberals.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:[quote]Makavali wrote:[quote]sufiandy wrote:[quote]kpsnap wrote:[quote]Cortes wrote:
Here’s a curveball back at you. Please answer us this one, simple question: When does a conceived human, become a human? [/quote]Thanks for the invite to play, but I think I’ll bow out. Too much dogma and very limited civility over in these parts. Just a basic lesson in debate: being dogmatic tends to work against you if your true purpose is to try to sway opinion.[/quote]You are officially the smartest person to post in here so far. No matter what point your trying to make, arguing in this forum brings you down a level.[/quote]What does that say about the rest of us still here?![/quote]That we could learn from her, myself included.[/quote]I guess we are just not going to an answer to Cortes question. Instead we’ll get mutual stroking about how ingenious it is to run away. Positively scintillating dialogue I’ve come to expect from liberals.
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Is there any information I could give you on this subject that would change your mind on your current stance?
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Easy for me, prove the unborn are NOT alive, distinct, and whole human beings from the moment of conception. Strikingly simple and I like basic.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Is there any information I could give you on this subject that would change your mind on your current stance?[/quote]
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They aren’t whole. At conception, they are missing a hell of a lot that would classify them as a whole person. And there is no magic line that says “BAM you’re alive”. You ask for simple, knowing full well that simple doesn’t apply here.
Example please, instead of ‘It does NOT have all the parts.’ Then it would be awesome if you could provide a credible source to support your claim. If you need a source from me, simply ask. Which portion or part do the unborn lack?
Then you begin your post with “And there is no magic line that says ‘BAM you’re alive’” BUT you want to tear them apart limb from limb. Mak you finish with this statement, “knowing full well that simple doesn’t apply here.” That is EXACTLY right! Science in its most complex form can NOT define the moment when life begins. Yet you try to tell me that you know there is nothing wrong with abortion. You can NOT define life, yet you will snuff the light of life out. The worst part mak, you try and justify the horrendous act.
Please bring science to the discussion, rather than just an opinion from Kiwi Land.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
They aren’t whole. At conception, they are missing a hell of a lot that would classify them as a whole person. And there is no magic line that says “BAM you’re alive”. You ask for simple, knowing full well that simple doesn’t apply here.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Easy for me, prove the unborn are NOT alive, distinct, and whole human beings from the moment of conception. Strikingly simple and I like basic.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
Is there any information I could give you on this subject that would change your mind on your current stance?[/quote]
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They aren’t whole. At conception, they are missing a hell of a lot that would classify them as a whole person. And there is no magic line that says “BAM you’re alive”. You ask for simple, knowing full well that simple doesn’t apply here.[/quote]
That won’t do for him. The problem is he believes they are human so you must convince him they are not, while you believe they are not so he must convince you they are. Neither side has a good proof for the other since each argument is rooted in a belief the other cannot assume to be true.