The strongest evidence against an actual conspiracy is the fact that the French think there was one. First the pentagon and then Lance.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
To all of the anti-conspiracy people out there I can sum it up in one single sentence…
WHY IS THERE NO VIDEO OR PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF A PLANE FLYING INTO OR IN THE VACINITY OF THE PENTAGON?
This is WASHINGTON DC. The city is completely FLODDED with cameras yet not one single camera has ever caught video of it. And dont give me that BS security gate camera 4 frame flash animation as video. A ) it shows shit and B) the date is wrong.[/quote]
I don’t know for a fact, but I bet the Pentagon doesn’t take kindly to people standing outside and videotaping all day, every day in the hopes of catching a plane crash.
I have seen the multiple videos of the planes hijacked by the terrorists the same day crashed into the twin towers and heard those tapes dismissed as fakes by the conspracy nuts.
When you see evidence you claim it is fake and part of a conspiracy. There is no evidence backing your conspiracy theory and you claim YOUR lack of evidence is part of the conspiracy.
You don’t see anything wrong with your thinking?
Pass the tin hat please.
ROTFLMFAO!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t know for a fact, but I bet the Pentagon doesn’t take kindly to people standing outside and videotaping all day, every day in the hopes of catching a plane crash.
I have seen the multiple videos of the planes hijacked by the terrorists the same day crashed into the twin towers and heard those tapes dismissed as fakes by the conspracy nuts.
When you see evidence you claim it is fake and part of a conspiracy. There is no evidence backing your conspiracy theory and you claim YOUR lack of evidence is part of the conspiracy.
You don’t see anything wrong with your thinking?[/quote]
Do you see anything wrong with your post? You’re already set in your ways claiming that I’ve dismissed video of planes when I have yet to see ANY. I like how you put your little twist on it though. Inventive but you failed miserably in execution. Let me put it more clearly for you…
Show me a video of a plane hitting the pentagon or flying towards it. Simple as that. I have never seen any. And believe me I looked hard for it. There is none. It doesnt exist.
Once again…This is Washington DC. There are cameras on the rooftops of buildings, just like NYC. Hell in my little town in CT we have cameras on top of buildings and on our highway. People are allowed to have video cameras around the pentagon. They are not allowed inside.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Do you see anything wrong with your post? You’re already set in your ways claiming that I’ve dismissed video of planes when I have yet to see ANY. I like how you put your little twist on it though. Inventive but you failed miserably in execution. Let me put it more clearly for you…
Show me a video of a plane hitting the pentagon or flying towards it. Simple as that. I have never seen any. And believe me I looked hard for it. There is none. It doesnt exist.
Once again…This is Washington DC. There are cameras on the rooftops of buildings, just like NYC. Hell in my little town in CT we have cameras on top of buildings and on our highway. People are allowed to have video cameras around the pentagon. They are not allowed inside.[/quote]
Are those camera pointed up, or down? Go outside & look, I’ll wait…
[quote]Gregus wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
The sad thing is that I will start to be attacked for this, instead of the attackers reading and seeing the light, how does the saying go? “there’s no one more blind than the one who doesn’t want to see” something like that…
What’s sad is that you think a 40 yr. old brainstroming session, which resulted in no action, is relevent today.
It is rellevant today because it illustrates the pattern of thinking that goes on behind closed doors.
Would you think it was irrelewant if you found out that your parents had a murder planned for you in an “if” scenario if they needed money from your life policy?
Even if it did not happen you would question the mentality and psychological disposition of those people. That very pattern of thought is already that of someone you can never trust.
[/quote]
Nice comparison between the government of the USA and someones parents…Yes, I like that. We are headed for some very good debate on this thread 
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
Are those camera pointed up, or down? Go outside & look, I’ll wait…
[/quote]
All up and down I95/495. They are wide angle lenses and cover a great area.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Are those camera pointed up, or down? Go outside & look, I’ll wait…
All up and down I95/495. They are wide angle lenses and cover a great area.[/quote]
Those look like their pointed down to me. Notice the skyline only makes up the top 10% or so in all 4? So, unless they were focused on the pentagon, or the plane flew right in front of them, it wouldn’t be filmed. But don’t let the facts interfere with your delusion.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Are those camera pointed up, or down? Go outside & look, I’ll wait…
All up and down I95/495. They are wide angle lenses and cover a great area.
Those look like their pointed down to me. Notice the skyline only makes up the top 10% or so in all 4? So, unless they were focused on the pentagon, or the plane flew right in front of them, it wouldn’t be filmed. But don’t let the facts interfere with your delision.[/quote]
But wasn’t the plane flying only a few feet from the ground before it hit?
[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
But wasn’t the plane flying only a few feet from the ground before it hit?[/quote]
Only for the last few thousand feet. Other wise it would have hit something before it got to the pentagon…
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I don’t know for a fact, but I bet the Pentagon doesn’t take kindly to people standing outside and videotaping all day, every day in the hopes of catching a plane crash.
I have seen the multiple videos of the planes hijacked by the terrorists the same day crashed into the twin towers and heard those tapes dismissed as fakes by the conspiracy nuts.
When you see evidence you claim it is fake and part of a conspiracy. There is no evidence backing your conspiracy theory and you claim YOUR lack of evidence is part of the conspiracy.
You don’t see anything wrong with your thinking?
Do you see anything wrong with your post? You’re already set in your ways claiming that I’ve dismissed video of planes when I have yet to see ANY. I like how you put your little twist on it though. Inventive but you failed miserably in execution. Let me put it more clearly for you…
Show me a video of a plane hitting the pentagon or flying towards it. Simple as that. I have never seen any. And believe me I looked hard for it. There is none. It doesnt exist.
Once again…This is Washington DC. There are cameras on the rooftops of buildings, just like NYC. Hell in my little town in CT we have cameras on top of buildings and on our highway. People are allowed to have video cameras around the pentagon. They are not allowed inside.[/quote]
You didn’t see the video of the planes that crashed into the twin towers?
Do you live in a cave?
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Are those camera pointed up, or down? Go outside & look, I’ll wait…
All up and down I95/495. They are wide angle lenses and cover a great area.[/quote]
You realize that the link you provided shows cameras that are not anywhere near the Pentagon? The Pentagon is not near 495/I95, it is about 15 miles away at the closest point to the capitol beltway. Nice try.
Check out a map of the DC area and give it another go. The Pentagon is in Northern Virginia. You obviously aren’t famaliar with the area and haven’t been to the Pentagon. Look at the flight path of the plane over a map of the area. To the south west of the pentagon is Ft Meyer (no cameras on roofs) Arlington Cemetary (no cameras on roofs) and Rossyln (some cameras but all oriented on buildings for security). There just aren’t that many cameras that would be focused on the sky.
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/./1/.1128627675597.Pentagon.jpg
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Are those camera pointed up, or down? Go outside & look, I’ll wait…
All up and down I95/495. They are wide angle lenses and cover a great area.
Those look like their pointed down to me. Notice the skyline only makes up the top 10% or so in all 4? So, unless they were focused on the pentagon, or the plane flew right in front of them, it wouldn’t be filmed. But don’t let the facts interfere with your delusion.[/quote]
They were pretty close 
Thats Route 27 in the photo. I-395 is pretty damn close.
[quote]BH6 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Are those camera pointed up, or down? Go outside & look, I’ll wait…
All up and down I95/495. They are wide angle lenses and cover a great area.
You realize that the link you provided shows cameras that are not anywhere near the Pentagon? The Pentagon is not near 495/I95, it is about 15 miles away at the closest point to the capitol beltway. Nice try.
Check out a map of the DC area and give it another go. The Pentagon is in Northern Virginia. You obviously aren’t famaliar with the area and haven’t been to the Pentagon. Look at the flight path of the plane over a map of the area. To the south west of the pentagon is Ft Meyer (no cameras on roofs) Arlington Cemetary (no cameras on roofs) and Rossyln (some cameras but all oriented on buildings for security). There just aren’t that many cameras that would be focused on the sky. [/quote]
Sorry meant to say 395. Check the post I just made.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Do you live in a cave?[/quote]
Who the hell is talking about NYC and the towers? This isnt a dicussion about what happened in NYC.
[quote]PGA200X wrote:
BH6 wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Are those camera pointed up, or down? Go outside & look, I’ll wait…
All up and down I95/495. They are wide angle lenses and cover a great area.
You realize that the link you provided shows cameras that are not anywhere near the Pentagon? The Pentagon is not near 495/I95, it is about 15 miles away at the closest point to the capitol beltway. Nice try.
Check out a map of the DC area and give it another go. The Pentagon is in Northern Virginia. You obviously aren’t famaliar with the area and haven’t been to the Pentagon. Look at the flight path of the plane over a map of the area. To the south west of the pentagon is Ft Meyer (no cameras on roofs) Arlington Cemetary (no cameras on roofs) and Rossyln (some cameras but all oriented on buildings for security). There just aren’t that many cameras that would be focused on the sky.
Sorry meant to say 395. Check the post I just made.[/quote]
I 395 is better but the cameras point at the 14th St Bridge, away from the pentagon, and the others point at the ramps that lead off of 395 to the Pentagon. The plane didn’t cross I 395 though, it came in parallel to 395 (roughly). I would have been tough for a traffic camera to pick that up, especially during the morning rush hour. There are some camera images from the access contol point that is north west of the Pentagon Helicopter Pad. It shows a silver blur then a fire ball. Nothing conclusive. I’m not sure what web site I saw them on though, it was back in 2001 that I saw them.
Semantics…
It was a fucking plane.
Tubesteak Boogie… AGAIN
[quote]ZEB wrote:
More conspiracy theories. I honestly can’t believe the nut jobs who come to this site and spread this crap.
Okay (here we go again), why did the government fly a small plane or missle into it’s own Pentagon? [/quote]
[i]"Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.
But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."[/i]
–Reich Marshal Hermann Goering, Nuremberg trials
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
ZEB wrote:
More conspiracy theories. I honestly can’t believe the nut jobs who come to this site and spread this crap.
Okay (here we go again), why did the government fly a small plane or missle into it’s own Pentagon?
[i]"Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.
But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."[/i]
–Reich Marshal Hermann Goering, Nuremberg trials[/quote]
Hey…wait…I get it now. Bush and company created a vast conspiracy to attack our country in order to be able to use that as an excuse to attack Iraq and Afghanastan. Why those dirty…
I want to thank you for enlightening me to this horrible deed. What do we do from here? Get a petition together, or just go straight to Congress with this information and hope for impeachment.
Let me know beacuse I’m not going to make a move without your say so.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
It is rellevant today because it illustrates the pattern of thinking that goes on behind closed doors.
Would you think it was irrelewant if you found out that your parents had a murder planned for you in an “if” scenario if they needed money from your life policy?
Even if it did not happen you would question the mentality and psychological disposition of those people. That very pattern of thought is already that of someone you can never trust.
Then I would think that my parents were actually lizard space people, & I’d wear my tin foil hat everywhere I went to avoid their mind control rays.
[/quote]
Oh come on you can do better than a copout answer like that. Without those declassified documents, would you have ever thought your officials had contingeny plans like that?
Suprisingly it’s of no suprise to me. Having grown up in a communist country we did not put anything past our goverment. Rest assured the US goverment is ALMOST as fucked up but it disguises it really well. Even if you look at something like the Tuskegee experients, i mean WTF experienting on your own population without their knowledge, here in the usa? We’re the good guys, aren’t we?
NOPE, were not the good guys. We’re business man, money traders. Where’s there’s money to be made we’re there.