9/11 Loose Change Video

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I saw the video as well and found many aspects quite convincing. People deny the credibility of this video not due to lack of evidence, or due to the belief that their expertise is of a higher degree and they can actually disprove the evidence. Rather, people doubt the truth simply out of fear, they don’t want to believe that while although it is not definite, it is absolutely a possiblity that this is true.

People are quick to shout and say it’s another blown our of proportion conspiracy theory, I guess the government does a good job of making you a closed-minded sheep huh? I’m not saying believe it, I’m saying listen to the facts and consider it, because you do NOT know for sure that it didn’t happen. There WAS a motive on different levels, it WAS possible for this to be organized and executed. But why believe the video, it’s just another conspiracy theory…just another ‘theory’…

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If you have not read Rebuilding America’s Defences by the Project for a New American Century panel, you should do so.

Especially on page 51 where it says:
“…the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a
new Pearl Harbor.”

This document was written in 2000.

The project participants for PNAC include:
Dick Cheney
Jeb Bush (the next president)
Donald Rumsfeld
Paul Wolfowitz

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[quote]physicsninja wrote:
how long did it take then? cite your reference.[/quote]
15 seconds
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/ntc_frames.html

http://911review.com/boulderweekly/markup/coverstory.html

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The truth probably lies somewhere in between the conspiracy theory and the official story.

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[quote]physicsninja wrote:
how long did it take then? cite your reference.

and do you care to address any of the other points? traces of thermate, woman still alive, oscillation frequency… etc[/quote]

It took me all of 1 second to find this page.

You deserve my scorn for perpetuating your lies shifting blame away from the guilty scum that crashed planes into our buildings killing thousands.

I have no need to disprove every lie you put up. It has been done multiple times on this website and many others.

You and your ilk keep spreading the lies.

If you truly believed in this conspiracy bullshit why don’t you do something about it more than passing along your lies?

Are you too cowardly?

If I believed the US government was responsible I would dedicate my life to bring them to justice, not bullshit on a bodybuilding website.

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[quote]Z-Man wrote:
The truth probably lies somewhere in between the conspiracy theory and the official story.[/quote]

I don’t see how. It is one or the other.

Official story:
Planes were hijacked.

They crashed into the WTC.

WTC collapsed.

Conspiracy theory:
Planes were not hijacked. (What happened to passengers?)

Missles/military planes/remote control planes hit the WTC.

Evil government conspiracy plants explosives in WTC and brings down the WTC in a controlled demolition.

Evil government hits Pentagon with a missle (again what happened to passengers on that flight?)

Evil government blames 19 innocent Al Qaeda operatives from Saudi Arabia and a few other countries (where did they go?).

Evil government uses it as an excuse to invade Iraq and steal oil.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Z-Man wrote:
The truth probably lies somewhere in between the conspiracy theory and the official story.

I don’t see how. It is one or the other.

Official story:
Planes were hijacked.

They crashed into the WTC.

WTC collapsed.

Conspiracy theory:
Planes were not hijacked. (What happened to passengers?)

Missles/military planes/remote control planes hit the WTC.

Evil government conspiracy plants explosives in WTC and brings down the WTC in a controlled demolition.

Evil government hits Pentagon with a missle (again what happened to passengers on that flight?)

Evil government blames 19 innocent Al Qaeda operatives from Saudi Arabia and a few other countries (where did they go?).

Evil government uses it as an excuse to invade Iraq and steal oil.

[/quote]

Because we all know that Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and had all those weapons of mass destruction pointed at the US ready to fire any day…

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Z-Man wrote:
The truth probably lies somewhere in between the conspiracy theory and the official story.

I don’t see how. It is one or the other.

Official story:
Planes were hijacked.

They crashed into the WTC.

WTC collapsed.

Conspiracy theory:
Planes were not hijacked. (What happened to passengers?)

Missles/military planes/remote control planes hit the WTC.

Evil government conspiracy plants explosives in WTC and brings down the WTC in a controlled demolition.

Evil government hits Pentagon with a missle (again what happened to passengers on that flight?)

Evil government blames 19 innocent Al Qaeda operatives from Saudi Arabia and a few other countries (where did they go?).

Evil government uses it as an excuse to invade Iraq and steal oil.

[/quote]

Or…

Planes were hijacked.

They crashed into the WTC.

Buildings collapsed.

(All that other stuff)

Bush governent uses it as an excuse to invade Iraq and steal oil.

See? Third option.

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It’s like we just got hit with a plague of conspiracists. Is it like the year of the cicada for these guys?

Rule #1 - any conspiracist who peddles this crap and yet still lives in the country where he thinks it is happening is either incurably stupid or lying.

You are either blindingly idiotic for living in a country run by a regime more sinister and sneaky than the Reich or you are full of manure. And I don’t care which.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s like we just got hit with a plague of conspiracists. Is it like the year of the cicada for these guys?

Rule #1 - any conspiracist who peddles this crap and yet still lives in the country where he thinks it is happening is either incurably stupid or lying.

You are either blindingly idiotic for living in a country run by a regime more sinister and sneaky than the Reich or you are full of manure. And I don’t care which.[/quote]

I mentioned one example that this country’s government actually admitted to, simply because they were caught. Should all black Americans now leave the country because the government targeted black men for the act? How much more sinister does it have to be to fit your description? Do you think a government capable of that ONLY has that as a skeleton in the closet? I just want to know exactly how trusting you are and at what point in history you stopped asking questions.

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There is no denying that the neo conservative agenda benefitted greatly from 9/11. Whether some in the government knew or not, we will probably never know. I don’t believe that any one in the US government was directly involved in planning and carrying out the attack. We do know that a foreign ally was directly involved with either funding or planning the operation. Speculation is that the blacked out portion of the 9/11 report deals with Saudi Arabia’s involvement in the attack. However, this is only speculation, it could obviously be any other ally.

The investigation was a whitewash. Rather than treating the debris as a crime scene, it was quickly salvaged and the steel sold to China. You have a major intelligence failure leading up to the attacks, and the guilty are declared within days?

This event afforded the US the opportunity to move into Afghanistan on the pretense of getting Bin Laden, who has never been found. As despicable as the Taliban are, they ie only demand was that the us provide evidence of Bin Ladens involvement in the attack and they would hand him over. 9/11 also helped drum up support for the invasion of Iraq (many Americans still believe thet Iraq was involved in 9/11), and the coming invasion of Iran. The current Hezbollah conflict is direcly aimed at Iran, demonstrating to Iranians what they are in for from a joint US Israeli operation. Afghanistan and Iraq are militarily strategic, providing the US 2 fronts from which to enter Iran. Militarily, I think it’s brilliant.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s like we just got hit with a plague of conspiracists. Is it like the year of the cicada for these guys?

Rule #1[/quote]

Aren’t you a well trained monkey.

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[quote]Z-Man wrote:

The investigation was a whitewash. Rather than treating the debris as a crime scene, it was quickly salvaged and the steel sold to China.

[/quote]

This is absolutely retarded. One of the biggest disasters in US history and you want to call in CSI to seal off the scene and dust for fingerprints? Nobody allowed in until we take DNA samples?

Well they did seal off the scene and search through the wreckage for any clues. They also cleaned up a huge mess in the middle of the most important city in the country.

To pretend they did not is bogus.

Some steel was sent overseas to be recycled. Some steel was analyzed here in the US.

Some steel was recycled in the US.

Some steel is sitting in museums.

Some steel was used to make Navy Ships (USS New York?).

You are knowingly passing on lies and distortions.

Why?

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[quote]TurboSSR wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
It’s like we just got hit with a plague of conspiracists. Is it like the year of the cicada for these guys?

Rule #1

Aren’t you a well trained monkey.[/quote]

You have not posted any beyond some stupid, inaccurate pictures.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Z-Man wrote:

Why? [/quote]

Giuliani obliterates the WTC crime scene"

"Giuliani brought in Controlled Demolition, the same highly suspect firm which had finished the demolition of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, and which had disposed of the evidence there in the process.

This contract was let surrepititiously just eleven days after 9/11, and empowered Controlled Demolition to recycle the steel of the WTC. Giuliani has not a word to say about this in his memoirs. The city accepted rock-bottom prices for the steel; the priority was to make it disapear fast. Trucks hauling the steel away were equipped with $1,000 GPS locators to ensure that none of them went astray, and that no suspect steel ended up in the backyard of a maverick 9/11 researcher, although the steel was ostensibly being handled as scrap of little value. All investigators, in fact were banned from Ground Zero.

During one of his visits to the WTC site the Mayor noted that many visitors were taking pictures of the site. “I understood the impulse-this was a historic event, and experiencing it up close had a tremendous impact. At the same time this was a crime scene, and a dangerous one.” An independent photographic docmentation of the crime scene, one the FBI would not be able to confiscate? Horrors! Giuliani ordered that all photos were illegal in the area around the WTC complex. Those who risked a snapshot also risked going to jail.

When it was a question of preventing public scrutiny, Giuliani considered the WTC a crime scene where the evidence had to be preserved. But when it was a question of sending the crucial evidence to the other end of the world, Giuliani’s motto became “scoop and dump”- with the help of Controlled Demolition."

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Z-Man wrote:

The investigation was a whitewash. Rather than treating the debris as a crime scene, it was quickly salvaged and the steel sold to China.

This is absolutely retarded. One of the biggest disasters in US history and you want to call in CSI to seal off the scene and dust for fingerprints? Nobody allowed in until we take DNA samples?

Well they did seal off the scene and search through the wreckage for any clues. They also cleaned up a huge mess in the middle of the most important city in the country.

To pretend they did not is bogus.

Some steel was sent overseas to be recycled. Some steel was analyzed here in the US.

Some steel was recycled in the US.

Some steel is sitting in museums.

Some steel was used to make Navy Ships (USS New York?).

You are knowingly passing on lies and distortions.

Why? [/quote]

Yes you pretty well do call in the CSI or whatever. When PAN AM 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, they nearly rebuilt the entire airplane from pieces to find out exactly what happened. How someone can say that they shouldn’t meticulously investigate every aspect of one of the biggest crimes in history in teh same manner is baffling. I’m not passing on lies and distortions as you say, I’m stating facts. There are those that are unable to comprehend anything other than black and white, it is far too complex for their limited intellect.

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[quote]TurboSSR wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Z-Man wrote:

Why?

Giuliani obliterates the WTC crime scene"

"Giuliani brought in Controlled Demolition, the same highly suspect firm which had finished the demolition of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, and which had disposed of the evidence there in the process.

This contract was let surrepititiously just eleven days after 9/11, and empowered Controlled Demolition to recycle the steel of the WTC. Giuliani has not a word to say about this in his memoirs. The city accepted rock-bottom prices for the steel; the priority was to make it disapear fast. Trucks hauling the steel away were equipped with $1,000 GPS locators to ensure that none of them went astray, and that no suspect steel ended up in the backyard of a maverick 9/11 researcher, although the steel was ostensibly being handled as scrap of little value. All investigators, in fact were banned from Ground Zero.

During one of his visits to the WTC site the Mayor noted that many visitors were taking pictures of the site. “I understood the impulse-this was a historic event, and experiencing it up close had a tremendous impact. At the same time this was a crime scene, and a dangerous one.” An independent photographic docmentation of the crime scene, one the FBI would not be able ton confiscate? Horrors! Giuliani ordered that all photos were illegal in the area around the WTC complex. Those who risked a snapshot also risked going to jail.

When it was a question of preventing public scrutiny, Giuliani considered the WTC a crime scene where the evidence had to be preserved. But when it was a question of sending the crucial evidence to the other end of the world, Giuliani’s motto became “scoop and dump”- with the help of Controlled Demolition."
[/quote]

How dare he try to clean up the mess by using an experienced crew?

They must all be in on the coverup!!!

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[quote]Z-Man wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Z-Man wrote:

The investigation was a whitewash. Rather than treating the debris as a crime scene, it was quickly salvaged and the steel sold to China.

This is absolutely retarded. One of the biggest disasters in US history and you want to call in CSI to seal off the scene and dust for fingerprints? Nobody allowed in until we take DNA samples?

Well they did seal off the scene and search through the wreckage for any clues. They also cleaned up a huge mess in the middle of the most important city in the country.

To pretend they did not is bogus.

Some steel was sent overseas to be recycled. Some steel was analyzed here in the US.

Some steel was recycled in the US.

Some steel is sitting in museums.

Some steel was used to make Navy Ships (USS New York?).

You are knowingly passing on lies and distortions.

Why?

Yes you pretty well do call in the CSI or whatever. When PAN AM 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, they nearly rebuilt the entire airplane from pieces to find out exactly what happened. How someone can say that they shouldn’t meticulously investigate every aspect of one of the biggest crimes in history in teh same manner is baffling. I’m not passing on lies and distortions as you say, I’m stating facts. There are those that are unable to comprehend anything other than black and white, it is far too complex for their limited intellect.
[/quote]

Are you proposing that they should have reconstructed the WTC?

You clearly have no idea what the fuck you are talking about yet you like to pass along other idiots lies and distortions.

You still have not answered why.

The truth has come out and you ignore it. Each and every conspiracy claim has been debunked and you ignore it.

You must be a liar, an idiot or a lunatic and I will treat you as such.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Z-Man wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Z-Man wrote:

The investigation was a whitewash. Rather than treating the debris as a crime scene, it was quickly salvaged and the steel sold to China.

This is absolutely retarded. One of the biggest disasters in US history and you want to call in CSI to seal off the scene and dust for fingerprints? Nobody allowed in until we take DNA samples?

Well they did seal off the scene and search through the wreckage for any clues. They also cleaned up a huge mess in the middle of the most important city in the country.

To pretend they did not is bogus.

Some steel was sent overseas to be recycled. Some steel was analyzed here in the US.

Some steel was recycled in the US.

Some steel is sitting in museums.

Some steel was used to make Navy Ships (USS New York?).

You are knowingly passing on lies and distortions.

Why?

Yes you pretty well do call in the CSI or whatever. When PAN AM 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, they nearly rebuilt the entire airplane from pieces to find out exactly what happened. How someone can say that they shouldn’t meticulously investigate every aspect of one of the biggest crimes in history in teh same manner is baffling. I’m not passing on lies and distortions as you say, I’m stating facts. There are those that are unable to comprehend anything other than black and white, it is far too complex for their limited intellect.

Are you proposing that they should have reconstructed the WTC?

You clearly have no idea what the fuck you are talking about yet you like to pass along other idiots lies and distortions.

You still have not answered why.

The truth has come out and you ignore it. Each and every conspiracy claim has been debunked and you ignore it.

You must be a liar, an idiot or a lunatic and I will treat you as such.[/quote]

Like someone already said, you are well trained.

Attacking me doesn’t change the fact that a proper forensic investigation was never performed. Anyone with any level of intelligence and education knows that.

Obviously the whole WTC didn’t need to be reconstructed, but some effort should have been made to determine what happened. The engineering investigation itself should have been several thousand pages, because not only was it a terrorist attack, but a major engineering failure. The WTC was supposed to be able to withstand such an event, yet it did not.

And reconstructing the point of impact is not out of the question, that atleast should have been done.

What is it about a thorough and complete investigation that scares you?

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[quote]Z-Man wrote:
What is it about a thorough and complete investigation that scares you?
[/quote]

Nothing to see here folks. Go back to your American Idol. All is well. We have always been at war with Eurasia.