This will end well…
That’s ok, we will just tax the rich more and borrow more from China.
Problem solved!!
I do not understand how people can just gloss over stuff like this.
On the other hand, while I was unclear about exactly what he was including in the 148M stat it seems he was including Social Security. This, at a minimum, should be discarded from the statistic because these people are retired after working full time. Generally speaking Medicare also goes along with retirement status. So if we want to look at benefit takers I think it it much more accurate to look at those non-retired people taking. Yes of course SS plays into the economic load but it seems the purpose of this article is to look at the freeloaders–and I do not count SS as those people because they worked their whole lives.
It is still disheartening.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I do not understand how people can just gloss over stuff like this.
On the other hand, while I was unclear about exactly what he was including in the 148M stat it seems he was including Social Security. This, at a minimum, should be discarded from the statistic because these people are retired after working full time. Generally speaking Medicare also goes along with retirement status. So if we want to look at benefit takers I think it it much more accurate to look at those non-retired people taking. Yes of course SS plays into the economic load but it seems the purpose of this article is to look at the freeloaders–and I do not count SS as those people because they worked their whole lives.
It is still disheartening.[/quote]
Then you would disregard only SS takers who were still re-coping their own money. Meaning most would still be included. About 2/3 of money paid out by SS is money the person never earned.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I do not understand how people can just gloss over stuff like this.
On the other hand, while I was unclear about exactly what he was including in the 148M stat it seems he was including Social Security. This, at a minimum, should be discarded from the statistic because these people are retired after working full time. Generally speaking Medicare also goes along with retirement status. So if we want to look at benefit takers I think it it much more accurate to look at those non-retired people taking. Yes of course SS plays into the economic load but it seems the purpose of this article is to look at the freeloaders–and I do not count SS as those people because they worked their whole lives.
It is still disheartening.[/quote]
Then you would disregard only SS takers who were still re-coping their own money. Meaning most would still be included. About 2/3 of money paid out by SS is money the person never earned.[/quote]
I would agree if that was the intent of the program. Right or wrong; it isn’t now and never was.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
That’s ok, we will just tax the rich more and borrow more from China.
Problem solved!![/quote]
Or they could create jobs; like the leaders of the last couple of generations did.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
That’s ok, we will just tax the rich more and borrow more from China.
Problem solved!![/quote]
Or they could create jobs; like the leaders of the last couple of generations did.[/quote]
That pesky little detail just gets in the way of arguing and getting re-elected.
That lobbyist funded dinner ain’t gonna eat itself!!
To Jeaton. The article creates a false dichotomy in the sense that it polarizes people who utilize things like the G.I. Bill and those who collect welfare. Essentially claiming that one is deserved and the other is not, vets are okay but others are parasites. I’m someone who used the G.I. Bill and I’ll tell you that there are chapters of it that do things like help pay for housing as well as school. I think overall the G.I. Bill is a great example of a socialized program for Americans to utilize.
Who is it that is telling you that the poor are parasites? Really think about what machine is pushing that idea, and what sorts of things they do for money, and how your tax dollars support them? I’m just throwing this out there, but have any of you asked yourselves why you hate the poor? How can you assume nobody deserves or rates help? How can you assume every swinging dick on welfare and foodstamps is a parasite, and how come you don’t have the same convictions towards conservatives who do the same thing, possibly worse things on larger wasteful money scales? I posted this article on another thread but I think it applies here quite well.
Is there Justice for the poor? You guys sit here and call them parasites, they receive an actual harsher justice in the system. You supposed Christians, whats up with the least of your brothers?
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You should stop with this not-so-hidden mockery of christians who are conservative in this topic because there is a large, large, chunk of people holding this view that are not christian at all and the arguments do not rest on a biblical worldview–so not–so-subtly making this all about supposedly bad christians is a red herring and strawman if you are against t the perspective espoused
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the G.I. bill can be easily and imo accurately construed as wages for a job done. “We pay most of you shit, but we will make up the difference in money after you get out by paying for your school/some housing/ etc”. In this case a) they did something to earn the benefits (by serving and in some cases risking life Nd limb) and b) it is part of a contract signed voluntarily which delineates services and benefits to be rendered in exchange. The same cannot be said of most welfare.
The article didn’t do a good job of describing the situation at all.
How many people work full time but still receive assistance of some sort? Are they being double counted in there? Are they freeloaders or are they hard working Americans?
I didn’t see any mention of dollars in the article. Are we paying more out in “means tested” benefits or the first category of benefits that he describes?
Why did he pull out the government workers? As a former service member I certainly paid taxes as do all current government workers. What about private sector workers who are working on government contracts? Where do they fit in?
james
[quote]Severiano wrote:
To Jeaton. The article creates a false dichotomy in the sense that it polarizes people who utilize things like the G.I. Bill and those who collect welfare. Essentially claiming that one is deserved and the other is not, vets are okay but others are parasites. I’m someone who used the G.I. Bill and I’ll tell you that there are chapters of it that do things like help pay for housing as well as school. I think overall the G.I. Bill is a great example of a socialized program for Americans to utilize.
Who is it that is telling you that the poor are parasites? Really think about what machine is pushing that idea, and what sorts of things they do for money, and how your tax dollars support them? I’m just throwing this out there, but have any of you asked yourselves why you hate the poor? How can you assume nobody deserves or rates help? How can you assume every swinging dick on welfare and foodstamps is a parasite, and how come you don’t have the same convictions towards conservatives who do the same thing, possibly worse things on larger wasteful money scales? I posted this article on another thread but I think it applies here quite well.
Is there Justice for the poor? You guys sit here and call them parasites, they receive an actual harsher justice in the system. You supposed Christians, whats up with the least of your brothers?
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Which article did you read?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Surely you’re smarter than this, James. Paying taxes doesn’t generate wealth.[/quote]
Where in the article does it mention wealth generation. From what I read it’s simply about how there are fewer people paying taxes and working full time than there are people drawing benefits.
james