In the Masai culture, boys who are on the cusp of manhood are allowed to have sex with pre-menstrual girls as young as 8 . I don’t know if there was a similar cultural background in this case, and that doesn’t make it OK, I’m just saying there is at least one culture where what we consider horrendously inappropriate and damaging is standard and permitted, which makes it less traumatic for those involved.
That said, these kids deserved every charge that was heaped upon them and the family needs to forget about “dishonor” or whatever and help their little girl recover from this shit.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dedicatedone wrote:
Well judging by your logic we are 59 years ahead, which apparently makes a world of difference.
It does make a world of difference. America has grown a lot…however, somewhere in all of our pride of how great we are needs to be the understanding that we are not perfect and are still progressing ourselves. 30 years ago we were still allowing government agencies to experiment with syphilis on African American farmers.[/quote]
They used syphilis on us? Those cock sucking mother fuckers.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicatedone wrote:
Well judging by your logic we are 59 years ahead, which apparently makes a world of difference.
It does make a world of difference. America has grown a lot…however, somewhere in all of our pride of how great we are needs to be the understanding that we are not perfect and are still progressing ourselves. 30 years ago we were still allowing government agencies to experiment with syphilis on African American farmers.
They used syphilis on us? Those cock sucking mother fuckers.
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Research: The Tuskegee Experiment
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Tulkastaldo wrote:
In the Masai culture, boys who are on the cusp of manhood are allowed to have sex with pre-menstrual girls as young as 8 . I don’t know if there was a similar cultural background in this case, and that doesn’t make it OK, I’m just saying there is at least one culture where what we consider horrendously inappropriate and damaging is standard and permitted, which makes it less traumatic for those involved.
That said, these kids deserved every charge that was heaped upon them and the family needs to forget about “dishonor” or whatever and help their little girl recover from this shit.
There is at least one culture that has the pre-pubescent boys live for a time with the older men, apart from the village. The men have sex with the boys to teach them how to have sex with women, once they come of age.
Nasty, though I can see a certain form of twisted logic behind it.
BBB[/quote]
I knew there was a good reason not to trust the Welsh! 
Threre is a lot of cultures where stuff like that happens, however the key thing to remember there is that its expected therefor its not as traumatic of an experience for the child/person that does it and most likely they arent even forced into it since they have probably been expecting it since even younger (doesnt make it right but the experience here isnt as traumatic if at all).
But a girl being raped clearly against her will is a very different scenario, a very traumatic experience with a strong possibility of never to recover.
As far as her parents nothing pisses me off more then cultural standards especially ones that are clearly outdated and you know I can understand it more in a poverty setting where education is at a minimum and people are not aware of what world is like outside their culture so their conform .
But this fucker moved here and has probably been living here for a while such bullshit should clearly be thrown out the window.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dedicatedone wrote:
Well judging by your logic we are 59 years ahead, which apparently makes a world of difference.
It does make a world of difference. America has grown a lot…however, somewhere in all of our pride of how great we are needs to be the understanding that we are not perfect and are still progressing ourselves. 30 years ago we were still allowing government agencies to experiment with syphilis on African American farmers.[/quote]
Do you turn everything into a discussion on the inequity of the treatment towards the black man? You must be MalcomX
[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicatedone wrote:
Well judging by your logic we are 59 years ahead, which apparently makes a world of difference.
It does make a world of difference. America has grown a lot…however, somewhere in all of our pride of how great we are needs to be the understanding that we are not perfect and are still progressing ourselves. 30 years ago we were still allowing government agencies to experiment with syphilis on African American farmers.
Do you turn everything into a discussion on the inequity of the treatment towards the black man? You must be MalcomX[/quote]
Let us act our ages.
Back on topic, were the little boys from Liberia as well?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dedicatedone wrote:
Well judging by your logic we are 59 years ahead, which apparently makes a world of difference.
“30 years ago we were still allowing government agencies to experiment with syphilis on African American farmers.”
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I’m not sure what you mean by this, once it was made public the “experiment” was terminated as it should have been, the public at large we’re not aware/complicit in this experiment. Comparing something that is kept secret to this obviously culturally accepted practice of ostracizing someone who has been brutally victimized at a young age makes no sense.
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
thabigdon24 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicatedone wrote:
Well judging by your logic we are 59 years ahead, which apparently makes a world of difference.
It does make a world of difference. America has grown a lot…however, somewhere in all of our pride of how great we are needs to be the understanding that we are not perfect and are still progressing ourselves. 30 years ago we were still allowing government agencies to experiment with syphilis on African American farmers.
Do you turn everything into a discussion on the inequity of the treatment towards the black man? You must be MalcomX
Let us act our ages.
Back on topic, were the little boys from Liberia as well?[/quote]
This thread didnt have anything to do with civil rights or racial relations but X is bringing race into it. Sorry if my jokes purpose went over the head there chum
[quote]stockzy wrote:
This is a terrible crime for little kids to committ.
But.
If this is symbolic of the attitudes being shown to this little girl by her parents(being shamed for being raped), then the best thing for this little girl is that she is NOT raised by these parents. Nor should any other children be. It should be viewed as negligent to allow her back into the care of these people. [/quote]
i agree with this.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
Good Lord, I feel sick.
Poor little girl, she’ll forever have severe trouble trusting another human being. And who could blame her…?[/quote]
normally I would not say this but thank god CPS took the child
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Some agencies around the world are protesting against this but really there’s nothing we can do because it IS their culture and belief. It’s a shame this shit happens but in my opinion it’s nothing different than any other religion/culture.[/quote]
They don’t live in Africa anymore, they live in AMERICA now. In America it is abuse to beat a woman for looking like a woman, or punish a little girl for being the victim of a horrible crime, if they don’t like it then they can go the fuck home where child abuse is accepted.
I hope someone rapes both of her parents, and thank god that little girl is out of that home.
I don’t think Professor X is trying to turn this into a discussion on racial relations. I do agree with Dedicatedone that this experiment was run by a select few in government and not with the approval of the general public. Additionally, the founding of the United States on the principle of individual liberty, and the general acceptance thereof, is what ultimately led to the demise of slavery. The idea of slavery was in direct conflict with the principle of individual rights.
In this case, it is the accepted philosophy of the parents that the girl is to blame. That somehow, the aggressor is blameless for violating the girls right to her body. That is savage.
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
thabigdon24 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicatedone wrote:
Well judging by your logic we are 59 years ahead, which apparently makes a world of difference.
It does make a world of difference. America has grown a lot…however, somewhere in all of our pride of how great we are needs to be the understanding that we are not perfect and are still progressing ourselves. 30 years ago we were still allowing government agencies to experiment with syphilis on African American farmers.
Do you turn everything into a discussion on the inequity of the treatment towards the black man? You must be MalcomX
Let us act our ages.
Back on topic, were the little boys from Liberia as well?[/quote]
I do not know for sure but the 14 year old was for sure , that happened in Phoenix. The older boy was a young man. Sad story
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
I don’t think Professor X is trying to turn this into a discussion on racial relations. I do agree with Dedicatedone that this experiment was run by a select few in government and not with the approval of the general public.
Additionally, the founding of the United States on the principle of individual liberty, and the general acceptance thereof, is what ultimately led to the demise of slavery. The idea of slavery was in direct conflict with the principle of individual rights.[/quote]
Exactly. I brought up different cultures and first brought up how we treated women in this country in the 50’s…yet if I discuss racial injustice AT ALL people get up in arms. That is very strange. It apparently didn’t bother them quite as much that I brought up women’s social issues but how dare I bring up the Tuskegee experiment?
What would make someone take offense to that?
[quote]Dedicatedone wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dedicatedone wrote:
Well judging by your logic we are 59 years ahead, which apparently makes a world of difference.
“30 years ago we were still allowing government agencies to experiment with syphilis on African American farmers.”
I’m not sure what you mean by this, once it was made public the “experiment” was terminated as it should have been, the public at large we’re not aware/complicit in this experiment. Comparing something that is kept secret to this obviously culturally accepted practice of ostracizing someone who has been brutally victimized at a young age makes no sense.
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It makes perfect sense considering the point was that our own culture has quite a few rough edges. Is it that hard to follow the discussion?
[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Tulkastaldo wrote:
In the Masai culture, boys who are on the cusp of manhood are allowed to have sex with pre-menstrual girls as young as 8 . I don’t know if there was a similar cultural background in this case, and that doesn’t make it OK, I’m just saying there is at least one culture where what we consider horrendously inappropriate and damaging is standard and permitted, which makes it less traumatic for those involved.
That said, these kids deserved every charge that was heaped upon them and the family needs to forget about “dishonor” or whatever and help their little girl recover from this shit.
There is at least one culture that has the pre-pubescent boys live for a time with the older men, apart from the village. The men have sex with the boys to teach them how to have sex with women, once they come of age.
Nasty, though I can see a certain form of twisted logic behind it.
BBB
I knew there was a good reason not to trust the Welsh!
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Taking it one farther, there is a culture (I think they’re Pacific Islanders, but I’m not sure) where the young boys fellate each other because the belief is it constitutes medicine that increases their virility(sounds like a schoolyard joke gone wrong)
But if they persist in enjoying it past adolescence, they’re viewed as deviants. Then there is the whole culture of Ancient Greece. According to at least one myth (and maybe the TV show) Hercules had a young male lover.
Ok X, it’s great that you brought up nazi like experiments that what people did to blacks. What does this have to do wtih the rape of a girl? or her ostracism
[quote]thabigdon24 wrote:
Ok great you brought up nazi like experiments that what people did to blacks. What does this have to do wtih the rape of a girl? or her ostracism[/quote]
?
Again, are you having that hard of a time following what was already written?
People that slow should stay out of discussions completely.