I have always assumed that pretty much once you’re on you’re on. Unfortunately, most clinics work with lots of older people so I guess the conversation never really comes up. I have never used AAS, although I did foolishly use prohormones in my early 20s that never really seemed to work (alpha1 max, 1 andro, DMZ that kind of stuff) so Im not sure I attribute much damage or gain to that and it was a very short lived phase. I agree it would be a mistake to not assume its a life long commitment to health with an upkeep
Roscoe88, thanks for the follow up. Im actually not sure whether I am secondary or primary and do not know how to tell. I have not had a pituitary mri, but did have a few head injuries and knockouts during my time in the military that have caused some issues. Im uneducated in the matter, but im just going to assume it is secondary because of a proffession in explosives in the military, but I cannot say for sure or de lare either way. Maybe you could enlighten me?
I have linked my previous post 6 months trt fail in the original post here and my original labs are attached so you can check them out, but no LH and FSH were not there.
I started TRT with a total T of almost 600, alcohol and drug use, poor sleep and a very stressful job and it changed my life. I was able to get my mental and physical health dialed in because of TRT. What I’m basically saying is the complete opposite of everything you said in case there’s any confusion.
@Mkinstinct
Everyone is going to have their own TRT. It’s like a box from China made specifically for you but the instructions are in Chinese so you have to figure them out all out on your own. You can look at other people’s and how they put theirs together to give you ideas but in the end yours is going to be different. It’s a journey and if you stick with the journey you’ll eventually get to a place where it was all worth it. The crap you deal with along the way is what makes you start to understand your body and how you work and gives you clues on how to make things better. Just keep an open mind about what people tell you because what works for one may have a totally different outcome for you. The only way you find out what works is trial and error.
@dextermorgan I’m just a proponent of acknowledging confirmation bias. I’m on TRT. We’re on a forum of people who are for the most part on TRT. If starting TRT was a first step towards getting you focused on your health and ultimately led you to a good place that still includes TRT, that’s awesome. You can take someone who doesn’t necessarily need TRT, put them on TRT, and they can have a positive outcome. Tho, best practices suggest that one would not put TRT as a first line protocol for males under 30 with normal T ranges who just wish they felt better.
These responses have been phenomenal. Thanks to everyone. I really feel like Im prepared to take this issue on logically and thank you blizzardtest for providing the opposing viewpoint to combat confirmation bias. I wish iy was as easy as someone telling me what to do, but it never is and it definitely wasnt what I was looking for and you really spurred me to look inside for egoic motives.
Hi enakers. Sorry, but I asked for help because this board is totally littered with cases of horrible doctors and maybe mine is one of them and I understand you, but I have to see if they are still open to do whats best for me. I never listened to their obviously wrong facts because I knew better. It was wide open I just needed to know what exactly to ask for because they obviously dont know the options and around here thay seems to be normal even in the private field
Thanks here you go. I saw something you wrote about health on trt.
You need to start testosterone. Take daily shots and I would start with 150 to 200 per week and that’s all.
Your doc isn’t going to keep you on T so go find a doc that will: what country do you live in. Send them studies showing it shuts down the testicles And there is no way the system will reproduce. Not one study shows the body returns to high levels and instead it only returns to the previous low levels.
If thyroid needs help where free t3 is below the 80/90th percentile of lab range you can try to take a trial of thyroid meds.
Add vitamin d , c, k, DHEA and pregnalone as needed.
25-34 years of age 45 subjects 617 ng/dL
35-44 years 22 subjects of age 669 ng/dL
45-54 years of age 23 subjects 606 ng/dL
55-64 years of age 43 subjects 562 ng/dL
65- 74 years of age 47 subjects 524 ng/dL
75-84 years of age 48 subjects 471 ng/dL
85-100 years of age 21 subjects 376 ng/dL
Please take note SHBG levels increased as TT and FT levels declined.
The TSH reference ranges are no different, it included those with thyroid dysfunction, even after this was known nothing changed. If you’re not sick no one is making money.