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[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:
I think boxing is a really underrated method of self-defense. I can’t say I go out of my way to look for street fights on Youtube but I feel this is a strong example of why boxing can and is used for self-defense.

A big part of the sport is taking advantage of an opportunity and an opponent with their hands down provides a good chance to attack. The most basic combination in the sport of boxing, the one 99.9% of people will be learning first, put the person instigating the fight down and the other person could have easily walked away.[/quote]

You know, it kills me. There’s videos of boxers decimating people in streetfights pasted all over youtube. Then, there’s the well documented stories about some of its best practitioners, guys like Micky Ward, Arturo Gatti, Bernard Hopkins, Kelly Pavlik, Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey- and the list goes on- using boxing in streetfights and in other situations where, if the circumstances are right, it’s self-defense, and beating guys up.

And still, people will say that Royce Gracie beat a boxer once so BJJ is better, or that MMA is king of the street now, or that their system of Hoo Phlung Poo will end lives, and they pay out the ass for this kind of thing… when you could pay 30 bucks a month, learn to box, and learn more about fighting in three months then you’ll learn in years of this other shit.

Sorry for the rant. Sometimes videos like this just make me say, “How the fuck can you knock this after watching something like that?”

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You know, I think any sport where the sole intention is to punch someone else in the face has its merits as a form of self-defense. In my personal opinion based on the one fight I’ve been in outside of boxing I think that any combat sport training can really help you. For one you get a lot of experience with fighting since all combat sports incorporate sparring, you also learn proper technique and will most likely just be more experienced and skilled than the average person.

I do get baffled by people saying that “boxing wont work in a street fight” since I can only assume it’s a lot of wild punches thrown with reckless abandon, telegraphed punches, and no display of any competency in striking. Can a sport who’s very foundation is punching while avoiding punches really be ineffective in a scrap?

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
But BJJ will always own Boxing on a ring is there any doubt about that? A ground practioner will always have the advantage if the his opponent does not know ground game.[/quote]

If you were walking around Liberty city and a person comes up to you looking to assault or rob you would you rather punch him and leave the area or go to the ground and grapple with them?
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That’s why i said on the RING

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[quote]rundymc wrote:
I think BJJ is great for handling yourself on the top. Most guys don’t know how to grapple (less than those who know how to throw a punch/kick, both are rare, lol). One of the reasons I prefer the top game to the bottom is that it’s more practical for a street scenario. You can disengage if new guys jump in (knee-belly, NS, loose mount), there are a couple of armlocks that don’t require a lot of positional commitment (e.g: NS kimura), and of course, you can throw some serious damage (knees/elbows to the head, ribs, oil check nut squeeze, dirty shit).

That said, anyone who pulls guard ‘on da street’, or intentionally puts himself on the bottom, deserves the beating he gets. There’s a video out there called “BJJ on the street” or something like that. I can count on one hand the number of dudes that pulled guard and didn’t have a blood oozing out of some orifice on their face. The only guys who do shit like that are either:

a)Retards.
b)Out to prove some ridiculous point.

There’s a thread going on in the MMA UG called ‘Thinking of coming of BJJ retirement’. Some dude is out with his family when a car containing 3 big motherfuckers drives by and someone says “I want to fuck your daughter”. This guy runs after the car, said big motherfuckers come out and what does he do? Double leg on to the hood of the car, pulls one guy to the floor, and proceeds to get the shit beat out of him. In case you’re wondering, yes his wife ends up in the hospital.

Now I’m not saying it would’ve ended any better if this idiot used Muay Thai or did anything else other than run the fuck away, but if he wasn’t on the floor surrounded by 3 big guys he might’ve realized how stupid he was being and done just that.

BJJ worked great in UFC 1 because no one was stomping Royce Gracie in the head while he was pulling off armbars.[/quote]

these just made me remember this, i’m lmao right now.

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

That’s why i said on the RING
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Not in the ring. In an MMA octagon with UFC rules and one opponent. Then, yes, generally BJJ works better.

But then, NOBODY in this thread was talking about what works better in UFC, were they?

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]rundymc wrote:
I think BJJ is great for handling yourself on the top. Most guys don’t know how to grapple (less than those who know how to throw a punch/kick, both are rare, lol). One of the reasons I prefer the top game to the bottom is that it’s more practical for a street scenario. You can disengage if new guys jump in (knee-belly, NS, loose mount), there are a couple of armlocks that don’t require a lot of positional commitment (e.g: NS kimura), and of course, you can throw some serious damage (knees/elbows to the head, ribs, oil check nut squeeze, dirty shit).

That said, anyone who pulls guard ‘on da street’, or intentionally puts himself on the bottom, deserves the beating he gets. There’s a video out there called “BJJ on the street” or something like that. I can count on one hand the number of dudes that pulled guard and didn’t have a blood oozing out of some orifice on their face. The only guys who do shit like that are either:

a)Retards.
b)Out to prove some ridiculous point.

There’s a thread going on in the MMA UG called ‘Thinking of coming of BJJ retirement’. Some dude is out with his family when a car containing 3 big motherfuckers drives by and someone says “I want to fuck your daughter”. This guy runs after the car, said big motherfuckers come out and what does he do? Double leg on to the hood of the car, pulls one guy to the floor, and proceeds to get the shit beat out of him. In case you’re wondering, yes his wife ends up in the hospital.

Now I’m not saying it would’ve ended any better if this idiot used Muay Thai or did anything else other than run the fuck away, but if he wasn’t on the floor surrounded by 3 big guys he might’ve realized how stupid he was being and done just that.

BJJ worked great in UFC 1 because no one was stomping Royce Gracie in the head while he was pulling off armbars.[/quote]

these just made me remember this, i’m lmao right now.

This is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen.

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whats the reasoning behind taking his ring off? would keeping the ring on increase the chance of injuring himself i.e. break his finger or is just so he doesn’t damage the ring?

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[quote]stupidlikeafox wrote:
whats the reasoning behind taking his ring off? would keeping the ring on increase the chance of injuring himself i.e. break his finger or is just so he doesn’t damage the ring? [/quote]

Depends on how tight it fits really. If it’s a little bit loose it could hurt your hand more than it hurts the guy.

Either way, if he values it, you don’t want to break it.

That’s how you can always tell a streetfighting veteran - they take their watch off first. It’s always the first thing to get fucked up. This guy knew what he was doing.

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lol I saw my father get in a fight once… first thing he did too was take his watch off…
Makes me wonder what dad did before he got kids :stuck_out_tongue:

Funny discussion though… Carry on :smiley:

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just watched it again, noticed the whole time he was employing the ‘fence’ tactic keeping him out of range - up until he decided to take his chin out that is… lol

guy definitely knew what he was doing, little did the aggressor know he was never in the game