[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
They promised us free stuff!![/quote]
Yes,
essentially universal health care is similar to the tragedy of the commons. So you make health care a universal right with universal access… what happens? People over consume with no concern for the finite resource at hand. Thus a supposed communal benefit becomes a communal detriment.
This already happens in subsidized care with over consumption of medical services and prescription drugs. Thus, you have cost inflation.
Private insurance would have the incentive to give preliminary screening, checkups, etc…to prevent eventual moral hazard such as undiagnosed illnesses etc. This is already used in most company health programs like the 50 dollar reimbursement you get back if you go to a company health fair and fill out a questionnaire.
And what can they do to prevent this in Universal Healthcare? First they are going to say you must HAVE healthcare, and THEN potentially regulate ALL of your activity as a result? Cant be fat, cant smoke, cant drink, cant use drugs etc. Then that opens a huge can of worms of violating individual choice and freedom.
Incentive based personal responsibility systems ALWAYS work the best in any sort of market. Regulation and rules to the contrary do not.
C’mon, universal health care advocates, let’s have an answer.
How do you enforce health care responsibility along with the right?
I look forward to your answer(s).
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
C’mon, universal health care advocates, let’s have an answer.
How do you enforce health care responsibility along with the right?
I look forward to your answer(s).[/quote]
Well, apparently you can be taxed for all kinds of inactivity now.
That practically cries out for inventive congressmen to explore these new powers further.
Toilets that automatically analyzes your urine and stool?
Cars that will only start when you have not been drinking or smoking and, what the heck, are not behind on your taxes and exercise regimen?
Remote control switches for your tv and computer so that you get a good nights sleep?
Mandatory relaxation techniques courses?
High taxes on alcohol and saturated fats?
Lets tax chocolate and muffins and cheesesteaks and gummibears and elevators and videogames…
I am getting all giddy, come one man, we can do this.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
C’mon, universal health care advocates, let’s have an answer.
How do you enforce health care responsibility along with the right?
I look forward to your answer(s).[/quote]
Culture and shared community standards. If, as a society, we express disapproval of people who cause damage to the community then it will limit the amount of damage these people can do. Where obesity is socially unacceptable it is far less common. Same thing with smoking.
We express dissapproval of murder, assault, drug trafficking and other social ills. Hasnt helped. Bad argument.
[quote]666Rich wrote:
We express dissapproval of murder, assault, drug trafficking and other social ills. Hasnt helped. Bad argument.[/quote]
Are you really suggesting that we should legalize murder, assault and drug trafficking ?
[quote]kamui wrote:
[quote]666Rich wrote:
We express dissapproval of murder, assault, drug trafficking and other social ills. Hasnt helped. Bad argument.[/quote]
Are you really suggesting that we should legalize murder, assault and drug trafficking ? [/quote]
lol, no.
He is pointing out how simple social dissapproval isn’t going to remove a problem.
[quote]phaethon wrote:
Culture and shared community standards. If, as a society, we express disapproval of people who cause damage to the community then it will limit the amount of damage these people can do. Where obesity is socially unacceptable it is far less common. Same thing with smoking.[/quote]
Won’t work - and the proponents of universal health care are the reason why.
Proponents of universal health care are clamoring for universal health care precisely because they refuse to disapprove of people’s health choices. They want coverage for people who have made poor choices, and they have no interest in enforcing “tough love” and individual responsibility with respect to people who cause damage to the community.
That’s the reason to have it. If they believed in “social disapproval”, they’d stick with the private insurance model, which incorporates “disapproval” into its model. Universal health coverage does none of this.
In any event, if what you suggest is true, then why are advocates of universal health coverage not willing to say “universal coverage for catastrophic disease/injury only, all other conditions are not covered as part of universal coverage”? That would be interesting, but that would undermine the entire point of UHC.