not in the early 1900s but more recent. yes. there was a special on 60min or vice or some other channel not too long ago talking about what it.
This is all true but there are still ethnic and religious groups who have held onto what I spoke about in the modern world and they benefit greatly from doing so. Perhaps @Jewbacca can chime in considering he seems to be an example of such success.
@Jewbacca are you Hasidic or modern orthodox?
Many of which groups still face prejudice and hardships inherent within, which perpetuates the need to solidarity. This absolutely coincides with what I wrote earlier.
And, in turn, Iād have to imagine those groups would much rather an existence where their primary concern is how to deal with existential angst vs a worry that someone may murder them because of their faith or ancestral origin.
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And others are enormously successful, financially, academically, professionally, spiritually, etc.
Many behave as they do in service of their gods and their people.
Yes; and still face prejudice.
And my statement is that, if given the choice not to at the cost of existential angst, they would pick the angst over the prejudice.
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Not in environments in which theyāre the dominant group or allowed by their governments to do as they legally please.
I believe this is a devaluation of their practices, customs, and beliefs. There have been people in history who chose death, expulsion, and persecution over conversion. And there are those who put up with inconsequential prejudice while living in comfort and enormous wealth.
They still experience it in those environments: just not from them. These groups are still the subject of prejudice, which facilitates a coming together, while the absence of such adversity fosters isolation.
I have no intention to change what you believe on the matter.
Yes: and they would prefer to not experience prejudice.
I do not understand why you keep bringing up wealth and success. I have made no statement at all of it being impossible to achieve while experiencing prejudice and misfortune.
Brick, we are just going to keep going in circles. Let me lay out what we agree on and then my thoughts. If you disagree with them, then all we can do is agree to disagree on the matter.
We agree that hardships bring people together.
We agree that people coming together is a positive thing.
We agree loneliness is bad.
I think that people would rather be absent of hardships and experience loneliness than absent of loneliness and experience hardships.
Do you agree with me?
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Yes, I do.
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So, why donāt people live where they can enjoy nature? Why arenāt people moving nearly as much as they used to in previous generations?
I live in a major metro, but have legit mountains 40 mins away. Foothills 20 mins. Iām out there 2-3 times per week. Places like this exist, but theyāre expensive and typically liberal. I made the decision to move here. Itās great. Bootstraps and such.
Iām not so sure about that chum, loneliness is a hardship to a lot of people. Present company excluded obviously.
Come on now man: thatās disingenuous to take a simplified statement I made specifically for Brick wherein we were operating with familiar terms and try to extrapolate it like that. Re-read through the thread for the understanding of āhardshipsā as meant in that context.
haha youāre right and no way am I reading all that. I have the attention span of a gnat this afternoon.
Places like that do exist and youāre a lucky man. Where do you live? Iāve been seriously contemplating a move to such a place.
Iā wouldnātā agree with this. The number 1 killer of old people these days is loneliness apparently.
This would also fly in the face of the amount of people in developing countries I have met that experience things I donāt think I could ever experience and yet somehow they find happiness because they experience it together.
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Thatās cool man.
I appreciate your ability to turn the perfect opportunity for a ācool story broā into a respectful reply. Well done.
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I live in the Seattle area. Donāt know of a better place in the country to live for my priorities: mountain sports, world class international metropolitan city. Hell, coming from the bay area housing was super cheap too haha.
I hear lots of folks bitching and moaning about how they donāt like where they live, or they are unhappy there. Weāll move then! Move somewhere that fits what you like to do. Take a chance. You can always move back, or move again.
I knew someone that made that leap to Seattle over 10 years ago. Theyāre super happy over there.
Iāve never experienced Seattle, only went there as a teenager and I hardly remember it.
Know I guy i graduated high school with who lives there. Pretty big communist/street busker/barista/drummer - actually a fantastic drummer. Loves it there, but has recently started talking about moving to Argentina to get away from the ācorporate sceneā of Seattleā¦
Interesting dude.
Went there about 7 years ago and spent 3 days there before getting on a cruise to Alaska. Enjoyed the city but couldnāt see myself living there.
Argentina is in the gutter at the moment. Why would he want to go there? is he from there?