Also, anyone who teaches learning disabled and ‘attention defecit’ 8 year olds ought to apply for sainthood. They deserve it.
I don’t know the history of these kids or the teacher (and i won’t buy into that “she’s a good teacher” b/c of point a, b, &c.). I’ve met a LOT of horrible teachers in my time as a student. Most of them were just awful. I’ve only have a few who were competent and actually cared about the students. Most seem to be in education b/c they were not capable of doing anything. As the saying goes. Those who can do, those who can’t teach. Those who can’t teach, teach gym.
Simple point, a lot of losers become teachers. Not to knock the good ones. If you ARE a good teacher, great, we need more of you. There’s my PC statement for this thread…
Anyways, if you keep treating a kid like shit, usually they’ll react in some way. These kids just seemed to take it upon themselves to solve the problem.
I guess it worked out one of two ways.
A. They learned from some source about how to plot against someone using a complex scheme. Ocean’s 11 sorta complicated stuff?
B.KILL ENEMY!
Either way, maybe these kids have been stepped on too much and this is how they retaliated.
Just providing a point of view for the kids. I can’t condone stabbing a teacher w/ a broken knife, although its probably passed by a few of our minds now and again.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
Either way, maybe these kids have been stepped on too much and this is how they retaliated.
Just providing a point of view for the kids. I can’t condone stabbing a teacher w/ a broken knife, although its probably passed by a few of our minds now and again.[/quote]
Even if we thought about beating someone or wishing they would die or whatever. I’d hopefully say that all of us never actually went through an planned all that kind of stuff out.
I had some crappy teachers too in my day but that in no way shape or form justifies what these kids did. Deal with it and go on with your life and don’t become that person. Not some psychotic home-alone type scheme to do who knows what to this teacher.
[quote]Backlash79 wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
Either way, maybe these kids have been stepped on too much and this is how they retaliated.
Just providing a point of view for the kids. I can’t condone stabbing a teacher w/ a broken knife, although its probably passed by a few of our minds now and again.
Even if we thought about beating someone or wishing they would die or whatever. I’d hopefully say that all of us never actually went through an planned all that kind of stuff out.
I had some crappy teachers too in my day but that in no way shape or form justifies what these kids did. Deal with it and go on with your life and don’t become that person. Not some psychotic home-alone type scheme to do who knows what to this teacher.[/quote]
I’m not condoning the behavior, but EVERYONE from time to time wants to beat the crap out of someone. I’m not justifying what these kids did either.
Its not a black and white situation and no one has really discussed the mental state of these kids. Maybe this was justice in their point of view. Again, not condoning it, but I think for people to come on here and just paint the story as black and white really needs to wake up.
People get stepped on a lot by higher-ups, and surprisingly to me, only a few have physically retaliated. People wonder with all that stress that is being dumped on this kids as to why kids are doing these things now a days. People feel trapped and try to free themselves. This could be the line of thinking of these kids.
You can compare stress in America to Japan. Japan has a very high rate of suicide compared to a lot of other countries (I’ll find the stats on it later if anyone cares) and most of that is due to the stress of the culture. But due to the culture, most people kill themselves to save face instead of killing others. Americans of course do not have this same cultural bias for social situations and as we have seen, people lash out at others due to their stresses instead of suffering silently. This just follows in a cultural trend we’ve been seeing for the past 20 years. Seems to me we keep putting too much pressure on kids. You’re in 3rd grade, but you already need to consider what grad school to attend. This is part of the problem no doubt. And people wonder why things like this happen. I question why the incidence of acts such as these don’t occur more often.
I also find it funny that everyone points out that these kids are the problem.
No one here actually knows the teacher. I’d also like to point out that your occupation (teacher, police officer, etc) in no way determines your morality. She might teach disabled kids, but who’s to say she isn’t a bad person in general and maybe treats these kids like crap? There’s no proof any way, but its something to consider.
Kids are no different than they were 50, 100 or 500 years ago. People haven’t socially evolved that much in the past 1000+ years. Not in a heart beat.
If one kid did this, they logic would point that there was something wrong with the kid. NINE KIDS doing this? Something was up and no one’s talking about it, hence the lack of details as other’s have pointed out.
Two other points I would like to discuss:
- This quote:
“We don’t want our children around them,” Carter told the Times-Union. “The one with the knife could have stabbed my child or someone else’s child at lunch or out on the playground.”
These kids had purpose in their plans and were NOT going to stab your kid lady. This appears to be clear. This is just a good way of creating mass hysteria. Why was this quote even mentioned. This is just a gut-reaction.
- Authority tends to cover up wrong doings at the expence of others. This is typical of governments, large corporations and anything w/ a bureaucracy or a some form of social hierarchy. I really question the teacher involved in this incident as to why a group of 9 children felt they had to enact violence upon her as their only option. This does not appear to be an example of social decay. Actually, very few 3rd graders work this well in a group, especially with such a complicated plan.
If something comes out that this teacher did indeed abuse these children in some way…
I’ll have to remark, “I told ya so.”
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
I also find it funny that everyone points out that these kids are the problem.
No one here actually knows the teacher. I’d also like to point out that your occupation (teacher, police officer, etc) in no way determines your morality. She might teach disabled kids, but who’s to say she isn’t a bad person in general and maybe treats these kids like crap? There’s no proof any way, but its something to consider.
Kids are no different than they were 50, 100 or 500 years ago. People haven’t socially evolved that much in the past 1000+ years. Not in a heart beat.
If one kid did this, they logic would point that there was something wrong with the kid. NINE KIDS doing this? Something was up and no one’s talking about it, hence the lack of details as other’s have pointed out.
Two other points I would like to discuss:
- This quote:
“We don’t want our children around them,” Carter told the Times-Union. “The one with the knife could have stabbed my child or someone else’s child at lunch or out on the playground.”
These kids had purpose in their plans and were NOT going to stab your kid lady. This appears to be clear. This is just a good way of creating mass hysteria. Why was this quote even mentioned. This is just a gut-reaction.
- Authority tends to cover up wrong doings at the expence of others. This is typical of governments, large corporations and anything w/ a bureaucracy or a some form of social hierarchy. I really question the teacher involved in this incident as to why a group of 9 children felt they had to enact violence upon her as their only option. This does not appear to be an example of social decay. Actually, very few 3rd graders work this well in a group, especially with such a complicated plan.
If something comes out that this teacher did indeed abuse these children in some way…
I’ll have to remark, “I told ya so.”[/quote]
No way in hell me and my frends could have pulled something like this off. They must of had a lot of drive because 3rd graders tell their parents just about everything.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
I also find it funny that everyone points out that these kids are the problem.
No one here actually knows the teacher. I’d also like to point out that your occupation (teacher, police officer, etc) in no way determines your morality. She might teach disabled kids, but who’s to say she isn’t a bad person in general and maybe treats these kids like crap? There’s no proof any way, but its something to consider.
Kids are no different than they were 50, 100 or 500 years ago. People haven’t socially evolved that much in the past 1000+ years. Not in a heart beat.
If one kid did this, they logic would point that there was something wrong with the kid. NINE KIDS doing this? Something was up and no one’s talking about it, hence the lack of details as other’s have pointed out.
Two other points I would like to discuss:
- This quote:
“We don’t want our children around them,” Carter told the Times-Union. “The one with the knife could have stabbed my child or someone else’s child at lunch or out on the playground.”
These kids had purpose in their plans and were NOT going to stab your kid lady. This appears to be clear. This is just a good way of creating mass hysteria. Why was this quote even mentioned. This is just a gut-reaction.
- Authority tends to cover up wrong doings at the expence of others. This is typical of governments, large corporations and anything w/ a bureaucracy or a some form of social hierarchy. I really question the teacher involved in this incident as to why a group of 9 children felt they had to enact violence upon her as their only option. This does not appear to be an example of social decay. Actually, very few 3rd graders work this well in a group, especially with such a complicated plan.
If something comes out that this teacher did indeed abuse these children in some way…
I’ll have to remark, “I told ya so.”[/quote]
Yes, there have always been bad kids, bad families, bad teachers, good families with bad kids, bad families with good kids-all that shit. I’m not arguing that.
What I’ve been saying is, this story very unusual and worthy of the the attention it has gotten. This level of planning, sophistication and co-operation in 8 year olds is freaky. Of course there have been more incidents of scolding in class. A teacher has to yell at somebody for doing something just about every hour of the school day.
If the teacher crossed the line, the kids most likely told their parents, and when the kids get expelled the parents will counter with whatever dirt they have on the teacher.
I am skeptical that the children actually planned this in the manner described. I wonder how much of this plan was “reconstructed” by the well-intentioned people investigating and interviewing the children involved.