38 Y/O Starting TRT

Daily shots found my e2 at 20 which made me unemotional.

My best protocol was 30mg eod. Mentally felt great. Just didn’t get libido. Was above range in ft there, and e2 was 49. So I may go back to that but increase dose to maybe 40mg eod.

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I know we’re all different, but I feel great in 40mg EOD. Been on the same protocol 6 months. I say go for it.

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Interesting. That is contrary to what he publicly posted a few months ago on the use of AIs.

Do you do IM or subq? Somewhat think it doesn’t matter.

I did IM last time around.

@roscoe88 - sub q. Backfill a 30 gauge insulin needle and alternate sides around my belly button.

I think you’ve seen these before, but most recent labs on this protocol. Clearly the test is getting to my blood just fine and E2 is not terribly high.

Your ft looks great. E2 also. But I wonder if you’d feel even better with the e2 higher?

Until recently the upper range in my lab for free test was 40 ng/L, but now they lowered it to 22 ng/L and my current level of 16 ng/L seems high in this range…

You have two options:

  1. Stick to the clinical range and have symptoms if numbers are important to you

  2. Feel better and forget about numbers.

If a number on a piece of paper makes you uncomfortable, don’t measure it.

I guess…

Do you know what methods of measurement they use in your labs? With free test things I know can vary a lot according to the method they use

Had a Dr appointment earlier this week, thought he was going to freak out because my last bloods showed TT if 604. He said he was fine with the numbers because my PSA was 0.43 and Hematocrit was looking good. He said if those numbers go up, then he’ll have since concern.

My next appointment isn’t for another 6 months, so I have some time and room to play around if I want, but I feel pretty good right now and might not want to mess with it. We’ll see though… Haha

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FYI too: I think you’re more at 150mg a week, not 140mg. (not that it really matters much)

The way I figure it out is this: 150mg/week TIMES 4 weeks = 600mg for the month test usage. Divide that 600mg by 15 (half the days of a month, as it’s EOD), which equals 40mg per shot.

ALSO: you could try IM and see if your e2 will rise up a bit?

If you are using a doctor who is more interested in numbers on a piece of paper instead of you having no symptoms, change doctors. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. Imagine if he saw the guys I know with TT at 1800 ng/dL with perfect labs and a model for overall health.

I hear what your saying @dbossa. I’m walking the fine line of insurance here too. I basically pay $190 a year for my care ($120 for test and $70 for co-pay for 2 office visits).

I feel pretty damn good. I’d rather feel the way I do now and have my Dr be okay with it than push it and have to pay 2k or more a year for private care… And I have a stash if test built up, I can always go higher and then lower closer to my next appointment too.

I appreciate all the great feedback you and everyone had provided. Thanks!

Interesting. I’ve never done the math like that. I always did 2 weeks, since some weeks I’ll inject 3 times and others I’ll inject 4. I do 7x40 = 280/2 = 140 or 40x3.5 = 140.

I have thought about going IM actually to see if that has any different effects. Still undecided if I want to change though.

I don’t recall, have you done both IM and sub-q? If yes, did you notice any difference?

I did subq for a bit but didn’t notice much. Went back to IM as subq was giving me little painful spots at injection site. Just prefer IM with the tiny insulin needles. Shoulder, thighs, and calves.

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