Is it possible you could elaborate (or point me to the thread) where your talk about the bio availability of protein powers, I’d be interested to read peoples thoughts on this.
Thank you
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I think old Dr Connolly has probably recomped too many times. He would be getting on abit as met rx was early 1990s if i remember correctly.
I was interested to know if others have tried 400grams of protein a day and what they found on it and how they thought it worked.
Thermic effects of food is definitely higher with protein then other macros but my thoughts were that appetite suppression of the high protein would play a big part in fatloss. 400grams of protein is 1600cal so if one could fit anymore food into that, it wouldnt be much more. So that in itself could be a fatloss diet depending on whats added.
Id easily eat 100-150grams of protein a day normally just from food. Maybe another 100grams of protein food to get me to 250g. Then 2 x 50 gram protein shakes a day gets one into the ball park.
Drinking all my protein in protein shakes would make me sick. T-Nation probably 10yrs ago were advertising their modified protein fast over a 4 week period but it was important to use all their supplements. Now they pushed their supps 100 times harder than Connolly did. At the end of the day they are a supplement to real food.
Flappinit wasnt trying to educate me?? he was try to big note himself and completely overlooked what the question was asking. Because someone hasnt posted in awhile doesnt really mean anything. Many bbing boards tend to repeat themselves every 12 months or so and a new crop of people come along. But sometimes something of interest may crop up.
If Flappinit started with his meat and eggs diet, would have made the thread more interesting and if he could get his protein content very high without supps. Steak and eggs diet is the old Vince Gironda diet but from memory he didnt push the protein ultra high. I think he recommended 2 meals a day to ‘cut up’.
Cheers mate, interesting points.
I’ve wanted to try a shake free diet for a while but can’t make it fit into my life around work/ family etc. It’s acceptable to be in a work meeting with a shake but no so much chewing on a chicken breast.
I’m slightly lactose intolerant and have often wondered if the shakes I take (although they don’t irritate my stomach) actually get absorbed at all.
I’m not sure I’ll ever get to try a shake free diet any time soon though.
Jesus 400g a day? I’d be living off shakes.
Props to you if you can manage it. I think it’d break the bank for me. It makes sense I guess though, I always do well on high protein low carb when I want to recomp and not lose too much muscle
Protein shakes are a convenience things i guess as we cant always cook up a nice big steak.
I make alot of stews and similar with mince or chuck steak which is cheap and fibrous veges etc and microwave them at work when i can. They are cheap.
Dan John, i think who still writes for T Nation posted a cheap recipe for a stew years back. It was pretty good tucker👍
What’s your regular intake at this point?
Mines only 21-2300 but I’m trying to lean out a bit.
Previously to gain though, dependent on activity levels I’d needed double to triple that.
And that was just to go from 150-170 lbs. Not a large person by any stretch, just had a very high activity level for a long time.
Generally 100-150grams. Last 3 days up around the 300gram mark. I need to drop weight so will drop the carbs right out of the picture but try and keep my protein higher than normal. 300grams is probably enough as it currently makes me feel full and no hunger at all…
No, I meant total calories.
What I’m getting at is that getting a few hundred grams of protein, or 1600 cals, isn’t at all difficult.
Keeping the fridge stocked and meal prep is probably the hardest parts.
Yep agree, thats where tgr protein drinks are handy or i just buy a roasted chicken the night before and eat it as is or chop it into pieces and ad low sugar salad items. Really desperate i buy 2 x double quarter pounders from McDonald’s and just eat the meat. If i can get my arse motivated and have a good cooked breakfast i can be fine for the whole day at work and not feel hungry but its best to keep something on hand.
You know that’s a lot of auxiliary fat too, right?
I don’t know how big you breed your chickens but here they come at about 1.2kg. After removing all the bones about 70-75% remain (I cook mine in a slow cooker so I get a good yield). So that’s 840-900g of meat (it’ll be less actual weight post cooking ofc) so about 170-180g. Probably less, generously assuming 20g protein / 100g.
This has the nice bonus of creating a lot of bones for bone broth though. A lot of the fat end up in the slow-cooker when cooking it like this. After letting it cool, and storing it in the fridge, the chicken fat usually forms a cake at the top that can be removed (and used for stir-fry 
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Just out of curiosity, what is your age weight, height, training experience?
I know it’s a typo in the title, but I found “400 g of protein per kg” to be too funny.
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I am going to watch all the videos. Most of his points are basically true though there are some qualifications I may discuss. It is absolutely true that “WEIGHT” loss is not a formula of calories and and out. A pound of fat biochemically yields enough ATP to produce 3500-4000 kcal of work if it is used 100% efficiently, but a pound of hydrated muscle, with intramuscular fat removed only contains about 400-500 Kcal of potential usable chemical energy so from a point of view of conservation of energy, you could theoretically burn a pound of fat and build 10 pounds of muscle without changing the amount of stored chemical energy in your body.
Also, there is not really any logical reason that someone will NECESSARILY improve their body composition by restricting calories. There are people at 30+% bodyfat who are underweight and people at 30+% bodyfat who are overweight. Getting in excess calories does tend toward more insulin resistance though. Also keep in mind that whether the body drops fat or muscle in a deficit depends on everything BUT the calorie equation. If you are in a deficit and have to do a lot of work on a daily basis, your body may benefit from dropping muscle because it is heavy to carry around and burns calories at rest. If you require high force muscle contractions on a daily basis, in a deficit, your body may prefer to keep the muscle, but also lower metabolic rate at rest by reducing movement or temperature. The main problem with a caloric surplus is when liver and blood gets hypersaturated with nutrients of all kinds, glucose, fructose, ketones, triglycerides, amino acids. Contrary to conventional wisdom, high blood ketones can cause the same kind of damage as high glucose, and savvy ketogenic dieters will combine their Ketone and Glucose readings to see if the total is high. A total of <5 mmol/L is good, and <6 is not problematic, but a blood glucose of 72 and ketones of 4 is comparable to having a blood glucose of 144 which is enough to damage sensitive tissues. Personally, I believe that if your combined fasting Glucose+Ketones are above 6, it is not optimal. Blood triglycerides and amino acids make it even worse. TOTAL blood energetics contribute to hyperenergetic damage even though it is usually referred to as glycosylation damage.
Calorie deficit does not equal improved body composition. Improved food choices are the single 100% controllable factor that does because it affects sleep and training ability too, but you can’t force yourself to sleep or to train, while you have almost total control over food choices.
A problem with 400 grams of protein a day is that the body turns almost 100% of protein above about .85 g/ pound into glucose over a period of about 4 hours, and this process yields urea and ammonia, and also signals the liver to make more enzymes to turn protein into glucose.
There are a few amino acids that can not turn into glucose, including leucine., but they do stimulate insulin.
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I was surprised to read your response and for it to not include how at a daily intake of that much protein there’d presumably be no possibility to trigger MPS as there’d never be a leucine-low.
I only had 15 minutes. I was going to mention DoggCrapp very high protein which seemed to show renewed growth in likely PED users. Very high protein is Great to block catabolism IMO but not to cause anabolism and blocking catabolism is probably a more important role of protein for users and people cutting fat.
These are interesting
Anyone who has been following Dr Shawn Baker would know this guy is consuming 300-400g protein a day mainly through red meat (not a shake in sight). The guy is over 50; built like a shed with strength endurance levels of folks half his age.
When you eliminate carbs from your diet, standard prescriptions on protein consumption, e.g. 1g per lbs of body weight, go out of the window. You soon enter a deep level of nutritional ketosis. This ensures high energy levels as well as supporting the anabolic environment (i.e. through training and protein consumption). I’m only in my 4th week of this diet but I’m training 7 days a week; x3 weights, x4 HIIT/LISS. Body weight is decreasing; performance is increasing, which is something I have NEVER achieved on any other diet, including keto and its variants. Early days, of course, but I can only call it as I see it.
You can get into ketosis on high protein?