[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I know this has been discussed before, yet please remind me where the scientific method came from?[quote]forlife wrote:
Science is all about proof. It doesn’t insist it knows everything, is open to changing based on evidence, and can back up its current claims with reliable evidence.
How about religion?[/quote]
[/quote]Trial and error. We learned that by controlling variables and observing outcomes, we could make reliable predictions that proved to be true.[/quote]And where did the definitions, the ontological content for trial, error, learn, control, variable, observation, reliable, prediction and truth come from again? How bout the definition for definition?
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LOL!
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I know this has been discussed before, yet please remind me where the scientific method came from?[quote]forlife wrote:
Science is all about proof. It doesn’t insist it knows everything, is open to changing based on evidence, and can back up its current claims with reliable evidence.
How about religion?[/quote]
[/quote]Trial and error. We learned that by controlling variables and observing outcomes, we could make reliable predictions that proved to be true.[/quote]And where did the definitions, the ontological content for trial, error, learn, control, variable, observation, reliable, prediction and truth come from again? How bout the definition for definition?
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Human experience. God didn’t tell people to eat elderberry flowers, but not the roots. We learned the roots are poisonous through trial and error.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I know this has been discussed before, yet please remind me where the scientific method came from?[quote]forlife wrote:
Science is all about proof. It doesn’t insist it knows everything, is open to changing based on evidence, and can back up its current claims with reliable evidence.
How about religion?[/quote]
[/quote]Trial and error. We learned that by controlling variables and observing outcomes, we could make reliable predictions that proved to be true.[/quote]And where did the definitions, the ontological content for trial, error, learn, control, variable, observation, reliable, prediction and truth come from again? How bout the definition for definition?
[/quote]Human experience. God didn’t tell people to eat elderberry flowers, but not the roots. We learned the roots are poisonous through trial and error.[/quote]I actually have more respect for you than to accept this answer at this time. Though you will never have an actual answer, you can do better than this paltry bit of fortune cookie wisdom here. I’ll continue waiting for that one all governing principle or framework that ultimately dictates every thought that flitters across elder forlie’s mind. This is directly related, but I think you knew that already.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I know this has been discussed before, yet please remind me where the scientific method came from?[quote]forlife wrote:
Science is all about proof. It doesn’t insist it knows everything, is open to changing based on evidence, and can back up its current claims with reliable evidence.
How about religion?[/quote]
[/quote]Trial and error. We learned that by controlling variables and observing outcomes, we could make reliable predictions that proved to be true.[/quote]And where did the definitions, the ontological content for trial, error, learn, control, variable, observation, reliable, prediction and truth come from again? How bout the definition for definition?
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So let me get this straight, you are attributing the details of our language to God?
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I know this has been discussed before, yet please remind me where the scientific method came from?[quote]forlife wrote:
Science is all about proof. It doesn’t insist it knows everything, is open to changing based on evidence, and can back up its current claims with reliable evidence.
How about religion?[/quote]
[/quote]Trial and error. We learned that by controlling variables and observing outcomes, we could make reliable predictions that proved to be true.[/quote]And where did the definitions, the ontological content for trial, error, learn, control, variable, observation, reliable, prediction and truth come from again? How bout the definition for definition?
[/quote]Human experience. God didn’t tell people to eat elderberry flowers, but not the roots. We learned the roots are poisonous through trial and error.[/quote]I actually have more respect for you than to accept this answer at this time. Though you will never have an actual answer, you can do better than this paltry bit of fortune cookie wisdom here. I’ll continue waiting for that one all governing principle or framework that ultimately dictates every thought that flitters across elder forlie’s mind. This is directly related, but I think you knew that already.
Glad to give ya a chuckle Pat.
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Like I said, take a few psychology classes and learn about human drives, perceptions, attitudes, decision making, and behavior. If you want an overall governing principle, different theories have been offered, ranging from hedonism to behaviorism to rational choice theory, and so on. Human motivation, learning, and behavior is enormously complex and you’re not going to find a simplistic answer, at least not one that actually reflects reality.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< Like I said, take a few psychology classes and learn about human drives, perceptions, attitudes, decision making, and behavior. If you want an overall governing principle, different theories have been offered, ranging from hedonism to behaviorism to rational choice theory, and so on. Human motivation, learning, and behavior is enormously complex and you’re not going to find a simplistic answer, at least not one that actually reflects reality.[/quote]Come on man. Do I even have to say it?
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< Like I said, take a few psychology classes and learn about human drives, perceptions, attitudes, decision making, and behavior. If you want an overall governing principle, different theories have been offered, ranging from hedonism to behaviorism to rational choice theory, and so on. Human motivation, learning, and behavior is enormously complex and you’re not going to find a simplistic answer, at least not one that actually reflects reality.[/quote]Come on man. Do I even have to say it?
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Are you even understanding my point? There is an entire scientific discipline dedicated to answering your question on why people behave as they do. It’s called psychology.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< There is an entire scientific discipline dedicated to answering your question on why people behave as they do. It’s called psychology.[/quote]I did not ask anything about why people behave as they do. I asked on what basis YOU BELIEVE anything you do. But like usual you took me to some university somewhere where they also have no basis for believing ANYTHING they believe either.
So, what is the all governing first principle that dictates the framework for science AT ALL. I have gotten absolutely nobody to address that. They keep sending to the very thing I’m asking for the basis of. Somebody’s gonna get this.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< There is an entire scientific discipline dedicated to answering your question on why people behave as they do. It’s called psychology.[/quote]I did not ask anything about why people behave as they do. I asked on what basis YOU BELIEVE anything you do. But like usual you took me to some university somewhere where they also have no basis for believing ANYTHING they believe either.
So, what is the all governing first principle that dictates the framework for science AT ALL. I have gotten absolutely nobody to address that. They keep sending to the very thing I’m asking for the basis of. Somebody’s gonna get this.
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Oh, that has a name, it’s called inductive reasoning. That’s the basis which basically it states that with enough evidence, a reasonable conclusion can be drawn…
Now if you are looking for God in the answer, He is further up the causal chain…
[quote]pat wrote:<<< evidence, >>>[/quote]What’s that?[quote]pat wrote:<<< a reasonable conclusion >>>[/quote]Or that? [quote]pat wrote:<<< Now if you are looking for God in the answer, He is further up the causal chain…[/quote]You may be on my track Pat… I think.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< There is an entire scientific discipline dedicated to answering your question on why people behave as they do. It’s called psychology.[/quote]I did not ask anything about why people behave as they do. I asked on what basis YOU BELIEVE anything you do. But like usual you took me to some university somewhere where they also have no basis for believing ANYTHING they believe either.
So, what is the all governing first principle that dictates the framework for science AT ALL. I have gotten absolutely nobody to address that. They keep sending to the very thing I’m asking for the basis of. Somebody’s gonna get this.
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That reality exists, that we are a part of it, and that we have the capacity to observe and learn about it. It doesn’t get much more basic than that.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< That reality exists, that we are a part of it, and that we have the capacity to observe and learn about it. It doesn’t get much more basic than that.[/quote]Yes it does. A lot more.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< There is an entire scientific discipline dedicated to answering your question on why people behave as they do. It’s called psychology.[/quote]I did not ask anything about why people behave as they do. I asked on what basis YOU BELIEVE anything you do. But like usual you took me to some university somewhere where they also have no basis for believing ANYTHING they believe either.
So, what is the all governing first principle that dictates the framework for science AT ALL. I have gotten absolutely nobody to address that. They keep sending to the very thing I’m asking for the basis of. Somebody’s gonna get this.
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That reality exists, that we are a part of it, and that we have the capacity to observe and learn about it. It doesn’t get much more basic than that.[/quote]
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< There is an entire scientific discipline dedicated to answering your question on why people behave as they do. It’s called psychology.[/quote]I did not ask anything about why people behave as they do. I asked on what basis YOU BELIEVE anything you do. But like usual you took me to some university somewhere where they also have no basis for believing ANYTHING they believe either.
So, what is the all governing first principle that dictates the framework for science AT ALL. I have gotten absolutely nobody to address that. They keep sending to the very thing I’m asking for the basis of. Somebody’s gonna get this.
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That reality exists, that we are a part of it, and that we have the capacity to observe and learn about it. It doesn’t get much more basic than that.[/quote]
Sure reality exists, but what is it, exactly? [/quote]
As you pointed out in another thread, we don’t even know if reality exists, or at least that what we perceive as reality actually is reality. It’s an unprovable metaphysical question.
Why are all the really important questions so damn unanswerable??
This is simply what occurs when the brain becomes developed enough to recognize the self. Even the most simplistic of living things have awareness to some extent.
Language
… Are you aware that the specific parts of the brain responsible for our language ability has been found and mapped out?
The Self
The “self” is a philosophical perspective, not an objective truth. Any concept can be separated into smaller parts and no two people will agree perfectly on the limitations of “the self”, so you’re going to have to lay out your personal definition of this term.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< Why are all the really important questions so damn unanswerable??>>> [/quote]HMMMMM!!!
[/quote]Better to admit your ignorance than cling to a belief that you wish were true, regardless of whether or not it is :)[/quote]Better to surrender to the Lord of the universe than continue living in feigned ignorance of His person and will.
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< Why are all the really important questions so damn unanswerable??>>> [/quote]HMMMMM!!!
[/quote]Better to admit your ignorance than cling to a belief that you wish were true, regardless of whether or not it is :)[/quote]Better to surrender to the Lord of the universe than continue living in feigned ignorance of His person and will.
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I thought we agreed that both of us are truly ignorant: now the ignorance is only feigned?
[quote]forlife wrote:<<< I thought we agreed that both of us are truly ignorant: now the ignorance is only feigned?[/quote]See my post in the other thread please.
