@markis655 Its not a placebo. I dont feel placebos. And this test was suggested by a doctor. This testosterone is jn and out within hours.
@anon22618349
All of what you described could be and most likely was placebo
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No sir.
Like I said, when I pinned testosterone a couple Years ago I got no affect what so ever. Even though I was totally expecting to feel how the guys described in the TRT documentary I saw.
This time time I was expecting to feel nothing, but holy shit did I feel good shortly after pinning. I just pinned 25mg an hour ago. And Iām buzzing feeling good.
Think what you want. Iām just enjoying the hell out of this.
Iāve never gotten a placebo affect from anything in my entire life. Iāve had high expectations and huge let downs. Anyone cable or experiencing a placebo affect is lucky.
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And you probably have never had low T before. Maybe now when you come off cycle you do. But you didnāt before you got into AAS.
Iāve had test show I was as low as 312ng/dl at age 27. And I had never taken a steroid of any kind in my entire life.
Same. Iāve never gotten a placebo affect in my entire life. For one youād have to be strongly anticipating a certain result. And 2nd. Iāve had times I was totally anticipating a specific result, and been completely let down.
Placebo affect my grannies saggy ass.
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@anon22618349
Iāve never done any steroids. Iāve tested below 300. Iāve tested under range for bioavailable T. So yeah, I know what it feels like.
Saying that youāve never felt a placebo effect cannot be said, you can neither confirm or deny youāve felt a placebo effect unless you were in a study. The concept of placebo involves you taking a sugar pill or vitamin injection, and youāre told it will do something. In this case, you know what testosterone does, it gives energy and improves mood. So after taking it, your mind tricked you into thinking you were feeling more energy thus giving you a better mood.
You canāt just say that placebo does nothing to you, pretty laughable that you even think that honestly.
@markis655 People also I claimed I cannot feel enanthate in 6-8 hours, but it turned out to be wrong. I described very well how I felt when I injected for test purposes 80mg enanthate and he said certain people with some gene can metabolise it in 6-12 hours and they must do only daily injections. Makes sense in me.
And now when I injected 10mg suspension base I also expected bad result, stimulation and anxiety, but I felt totally different. Where is the placebo here?
@vonko1988
The placebo is that your mind can make your body feel different in many ways. You canāt prove that it wasnāt placebo, and it honestly probably was placebo.
Iām not gonna bother arguing with you on it. You also keep saying you are already positive youāll need daily injections on TRT when you havenāt even started TRT which is complete nonsense, so Iād rather not argue another rediculous point with you.
@markis655 well for me saying it was a placebo is also rediculous because I know my body well. Why just cannot accept there are people who are over responders and very sensitive to all external staff?
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Whatās laughable is how you keep going on insisting I felt a placebo affect, when you couldnāt possibly be more ignorant.
And thanks for the definition, I think I know what placebo means. Wow.
For the 3rd time. I was expecting what I got last time. Nothing. Anyways youāre like arguing with a 4 year old. Thanks for the input dude but no thanks.
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I think heās just jealous or ignorant, or both.
Just Ignore him. I know exactly what youāre talking about it.
Save your breath for intelligent comments.
How insightful. Thanks for explaining to all of us what placebo means.
None of us knew this. Thank God we have someone around as smart as you. We were just making guesses as to what it means.
Placebo doesnāt and has never existed in my world. And yes I absalutly can prove it.
Iād pay you $$ to stick me with water and tell me itās morphine if it worked that way. But guess what? If itās. Not morphine it wonāt work now will it?
Funny story behind that. When I was younger I did buy āmorphine pillsā without checking the numbers on the pill. I paid good money for them, and was totally convinced it was real morphine. I popped two of those pills waiting for the wonderful euphoria and sense of well being that was supposed to come. But all I got was tired and grouchy before I found out I was screwed over and sold teylenol pillsā¦ Where was my placebo affect.
According to what you intelligent guys are saying, no one needs any real medecine because of this powerful āplacebo affectā LMAO! I heard rumors about some of the people here being pretty dumb. Now I can see that.
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@anon22618349 Two doctors that charge a fortune per hour believed me I felt the action and explained me how this is possible from medical point of view, but yeā¦one guy tells āplaceboā and we need to trust himā¦
Yaaa, no one needs testosterone its just in our heads 
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Iāll admit itās possible that you could feel a difference pretty quickly, but I think where your missing my view is that you can trick yourself into thinking it did much more than it actually did. Perhaps you genuinely felt a little something - maybe you had a small bit more energy or more mental clarity. The placebo effect could play on that and make you feel like it was much more significant than it was.
Your being extremely confrontational and taking it too personally. All Iām saying is there is no possible way you can prove it wasnāt at least partially placebo. Levels take a while to build up in your system, in my research it is mostly said that benefits really donāt start to truly manifest until 2 weeks, taking several months for all benefits. Iām sure you did feel some sort of difference- but chances are it was mostly placebo.
Because youāre speaking without any common sense what so ever.
How many time must I explain to you? I was expecting NOTHING WHAT SO EVER! WHEN I PINNED A COUPLE YEARS AGO I WAS EXPECTING TO FEEL SOMETHING AND NEVER DID! THIS TIME I WAS EXPECTING NOTHING WHAT SO EVER, AND WAS VERY SURPRISED BY HOW I FELT WITH IN MINUTES.
TOTALLY UNEXPECTED RESULT! WAKE THE HELL UP AND ACTUALLY READ WHAT I SAY!
IT CANāT BE PLACEBO. OMFG
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@anon22618349 I understand you man Iāve experienced this with many things including supplements from which I expected to feel NOTHING AT ALL and was unpleasantly surprised that they make me more anxious or more asleep. If somebody is arrogant enough to claims he knows how your body reacts to thingsā¦well I dont know good doctors that would say such a thing
@anon22618349 Also your example of giving you water and telling you it was morphine is a bad example, assuming you are experiencing pain then yeah, unlikely water would do much for a placebo because youāll still feel the pain regardless.
You need to relax, youāre a man not a man-child. Caps lock isnāt needed here bud.
The test C Iām using is 4 months away from expiration. Over two years old.
My own personal theory is that it could be possible the Ester is no longer properly suspending the testosterone. And itās releasing all the T immediately.
@anon22618349 itās comments like these that make me think youāre joking. Or perhaps what you said earlier about the rumor regarding people on this forum is just very very true.
@anon22618349 Dr Saya has told me some people due to certain genes can metabolise esters much quicker and thats why they need to inject ED if that makes sense to your case.