.22 Target Pistol

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:
.380 ACP ammo is expensive and .38 special isn’t cheap either.

9mm ammo is coming down in price and I’m hoping you will start seeing it between $10 and $15 a box regularly. If you typically pay $100/month for cable, that will generally allow you to shoot ~100 rounds per week. Most people with guns won’t even shoot this much.

Get a Glock, M&P, or XD. You really can’t go wrong with one of these.

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My personal preference is the XD. Love the trigger. Love the grip on the M&P but the trigger is awful. Glock somewhere in the middle on both. But like he said, cant go wrong.[/quote]

I got a Ruger SR9c and I love it. The XD and the M&P have a better ergonomic design and a really balanced weight but they are not more accurate that the SR9c and the trigger is serviceable a little spongy but a nice crisp break.
All the M&P’s I have played with had really nice triggers. The only thing that really swayed me was that after reading several reviews and comparisons, the M&P didn’t group as well as the XD or the SR9.
I really liked the XD, but I did not like it $200 more than the SR9. $50 maybe, but $200, no.
It’s all in what you like, there aren’t really wrong answers, unless you are picking the hi-point. That’s a wrong answer.[/quote]

Never dealt with the Ruger SR9. Ruger makes quality products though so I couldn’t imagine it being any different. The triggers on the M&Ps I have dealt with were very heavy comparatively and dry firing in the store I could feel myself pulling the barrel down even on a very slow squeeze.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:
.380 ACP ammo is expensive and .38 special isn’t cheap either.

9mm ammo is coming down in price and I’m hoping you will start seeing it between $10 and $15 a box regularly. If you typically pay $100/month for cable, that will generally allow you to shoot ~100 rounds per week. Most people with guns won’t even shoot this much.

Get a Glock, M&P, or XD. You really can’t go wrong with one of these.

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My personal preference is the XD. Love the trigger. Love the grip on the M&P but the trigger is awful. Glock somewhere in the middle on both. But like he said, cant go wrong.[/quote]

I got a Ruger SR9c and I love it. The XD and the M&P have a better ergonomic design and a really balanced weight but they are not more accurate that the SR9c and the trigger is serviceable a little spongy but a nice crisp break.
All the M&P’s I have played with had really nice triggers. The only thing that really swayed me was that after reading several reviews and comparisons, the M&P didn’t group as well as the XD or the SR9.
I really liked the XD, but I did not like it $200 more than the SR9. $50 maybe, but $200, no.
It’s all in what you like, there aren’t really wrong answers, unless you are picking the hi-point. That’s a wrong answer.[/quote]

Never dealt with the Ruger SR9. Ruger makes quality products though so I couldn’t imagine it being any different. The triggers on the M&Ps I have dealt with were very heavy comparatively and dry firing in the store I could feel myself pulling the barrel down even on a very slow squeeze.[/quote]

I love my Rugers. The SR9 is one of those can’t miss guns. It’s very easy to shoot accurately almost too easy. I blame the accuracy on the gun not me. Which means I have to really group well to take credit for the accuracy.

I think what you described, with pulling the barrel down through the squeeze is the quintessential skill to master with trigger control. Being conscientious through the trigger pull. It’s so easy to setup right, but it’s much harder to think it through the trigger pull.
I have been trying to think of the trigger as a button, lately. Just press the button, don’t move the gun. Move the finger, not the hand. This is something that can always be improved, no matter how long you have been shooting or how good you are. It’s part of my attraction to it. I want to be perfect, though I never will be. But it’s a hell of a lot of fun to try.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]theuofh wrote:
.380 ACP ammo is expensive and .38 special isn’t cheap either.

9mm ammo is coming down in price and I’m hoping you will start seeing it between $10 and $15 a box regularly. If you typically pay $100/month for cable, that will generally allow you to shoot ~100 rounds per week. Most people with guns won’t even shoot this much.

Get a Glock, M&P, or XD. You really can’t go wrong with one of these.

[/quote]

My personal preference is the XD. Love the trigger. Love the grip on the M&P but the trigger is awful. Glock somewhere in the middle on both. But like he said, cant go wrong.[/quote]

I got a Ruger SR9c and I love it. The XD and the M&P have a better ergonomic design and a really balanced weight but they are not more accurate that the SR9c and the trigger is serviceable a little spongy but a nice crisp break.
All the M&P’s I have played with had really nice triggers. The only thing that really swayed me was that after reading several reviews and comparisons, the M&P didn’t group as well as the XD or the SR9.
I really liked the XD, but I did not like it $200 more than the SR9. $50 maybe, but $200, no.
It’s all in what you like, there aren’t really wrong answers, unless you are picking the hi-point. That’s a wrong answer.[/quote]

Never dealt with the Ruger SR9. Ruger makes quality products though so I couldn’t imagine it being any different. The triggers on the M&Ps I have dealt with were very heavy comparatively and dry firing in the store I could feel myself pulling the barrel down even on a very slow squeeze.[/quote]

I love my Rugers. The SR9 is one of those can’t miss guns. It’s very easy to shoot accurately almost too easy. I blame the accuracy on the gun not me. Which means I have to really group well to take credit for the accuracy.

I think what you described, with pulling the barrel down through the squeeze is the quintessential skill to master with trigger control. Being conscientious through the trigger pull. It’s so easy to setup right, but it’s much harder to think it through the trigger pull.
I have been trying to think of the trigger as a button, lately. Just press the button, don’t move the gun. Move the finger, not the hand. This is something that can always be improved, no matter how long you have been shooting or how good you are. It’s part of my attraction to it. I want to be perfect, though I never will be. But it’s a hell of a lot of fun to try. [/quote]

Yeah, a trigger with a smooth light break really helps in that regard though. The M&P didn’t really have that. Any point of potential extra torque you can eliminate will improve your shooting.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yeah, a trigger with a smooth light break really helps in that regard though. The M&P didn’t really have that. Any point of potential extra torque you can eliminate will improve your shooting.
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What are the best triggers in 9mm? I’ve heard really good things about the PPQ’s trigger, but I’m pretty new to reading up on this stuff.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
I’ve shot an XD twice, and didn’t care for it either time. Unfortunately, I can’t even say why I didn’t like it.
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I owned one for a while and sold it for the same reason. Felt good handling it in the store but I never liked shooting it, and can’t put my finger on why. I’ve shot a 9mm luger and a browning high power 9mm, amoung others, and liked those well enough, so I don’t think it was the caliber.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yeah, a trigger with a smooth light break really helps in that regard though. The M&P didn’t really have that. Any point of potential extra torque you can eliminate will improve your shooting.
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What are the best triggers in 9mm? I’ve heard really good things about the PPQ’s trigger, but I’m pretty new to reading up on this stuff.[/quote]

The PPQ and PPX have amazing triggers. My wife has a PPX, it has a 3.5-4 lbs trigger pull and it is the shit. It also has really nice 3 dot sights. It’s a great gun. The only problem with it is that it does not have a safety, which with a trigger that light, I want that option for carry. However, it’s a pretty big gun so it’s really only applicable for purse carry anyway. I don’t carry a purse much, so I won’t be carrying that one.

That being said if you are truly unhappy with a trigger, but like the rest of the gun, the trigger can be changed. Plenty of after market competition triggers that can turn a serviceable gun into a sweet shooter. And they are typically not that expensive unless you go nuts. I am thinking about getting a trigger for my sp101. It has a 15 lbs double action pull which is a bit much. I am damned determined to master it though, so I am torn about getting a new trigger or mastering the really tough trigger. I would like it to have a 10 lbs pull in DA. But the 15 lbs trigger is a great trainer for dry fire. If you can keep that gun steady with a 15 lbs pull, you should be a pretty good shot with most any gun.