[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This is totally unrelated, but did the video stream alright? I had to migrate all my web resources onto one machine and I’m wondering how it’s running to the outside world.[/quote]
Yes, perfect.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Wow, I see who the real Christians are, and I just see those who are Protestants, Protestants against Christ and his Bride. Defectors and liberals all of you. And, Tirib I knew you couldn’t resist throwing your stone, I guess you have stopped sinning, now? Going to go stand next to Mary and in the sinless section, are you?
Is the hurting of an innocent child okay? No, is it ever okay? No, should Catholics accept it? No, ever? Never!
If you look at the history of the world, the Catholic Church has done nothing the world has not done, when children were abused, it was covered up and hidden. Most of the world does this, no one put it into the front page. Now, it has came about, it has come public, WHICH IS GOOD! As, the Holy Father, B16, has done made it policy and Canon law, that if child abuse is found, superiors are to report it TO THE POLICE. However, studies still show that the Catholic Church out of ALL religions, even yours Tirib, and yours Sweet Revenge, has the lowest percent of abuses and pedophiles.
Is that an excuse or an argument for priests being pedophiles and being around children, no. Do we have bad people in our institute, just like the rest of them? Yes, you want to take down the Catholic Church. Go ahead, take our money, take our Churches, sue us, that is fine. I don’t blame you, I don’t care for and tolerate those that hurt others, either. I tell you what though, they Catholic Church ain’t going no where, and to pretend that all Priests are like this, then you’re just plain blind and dumb. Go somewhere else and spill your drivel.
And, as well, we’re the only institution in the world that has the moral code (not that the individual members may follow it, but we have it) to protect the world’s dignity and freedom, and we’re about the only institution that at the end of the day can be looked at for guidance in matters of conservatism and morals. Who helped prosecute the Nazi’s? Who gave Europe and most of the West their laws in which they are not destroying?
Oh @ Sweet Revenge, the reason why there were no Catholics on Wednesday, is because it was Ash Wednesday, not that we’re hiding. Trust me, we’re not scared of scandal and we’re definitely not scared of you, we’ve been doing this for 2000 years, and we still haven’t brought down our own Church and we’re on the inside you want a pick and hammer and go at it from the outside, give it a try!
Just remember SR, Our first loyalty is to the Lord, not a forum. And, just in case you don’t know what Ash Wednesday is, it’s when we humble ourselves, take upon our foreheads an ashen cross to show the world WE ARE SINNERS and without the mercy of the Lord there is NO salvation. And we’re told and tell ourselves, “Remember that you are dust, and unto dust you shall return” (in Latin for myself).
So, please go ahead and help the Catholic Church clean up her mess, embarrass us, do the work of G-d, it will only help us purify our congregation and get the pedophile priests that the baptized faithful despise away from the children.
But, please…don’t act like you’re going to take us down, do not attack the Pope, and do not make fallacious arguments. In the end it’ll only make you feel small and silly for saying such horse shit.
And, remember we knew we were sinners and needed mercy before you told us. ;)[/quote]
Sorry, but being against the corrupt CC is NOT the same as being against Christ.
However, I do recognize that YOU believe it is.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
alarmingly high numbers.
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Yes, there should be zero. But, just to prove your point. Why don’t you show me some percentages on how much alarmingly high we are compared to other religions and as well to married fathers. Go on, show me. I think you might be surprised.[/quote]
I know what you’re getting at. Does it matter? If I were a devotee of an institution whose grip on the levers of power was wholly contingent upon a fabricated, mythological struggle between good and evil, I would expect the officials of that institution to be truly and unequivocally good. I mean good even in the little details–never took a dollar that wasn’t earned, never told even a little white lie. Obviously the big things I’d expect to be covered–no murdering, no fucking kids. I expect NORMAL PEOPLE to abstain from those two irresistible pastimes so OBVIOUSLY IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING that I shouldn’t even have to worry about my priest, who spends most of his day telling me what is right and wrong.
That’s how I would expect my religious institution to run if I wanted it to be in any way credible. Instead, your Church and its members are just like everyone else. And this is your defense of Catholicism? That non-Catholics also fuck little kids sometimes? Jesus H Christ on a fucking stick. You MUST see the irony in this: a Church spends all of its time talking about right and wrong in your personal life, in your bedroom, with your wife, with your family and children, in Washington, etc. etc. The we realize that many of said Church’s officials have committed one of the most heinous evils ever dreamed up by man. The we realize that many of the higher officials have helped to cover up the scandals and transfer the predatory priests to other places with fresh batches of little boys.
In the end it simply shows that you people are not special. You live by and for an ancient mythology and, surprise surprise, it can’t even stop your priests from molesting children.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
So fucked up. If Catholics are right and their omnipotent God is watching over them, that he would allow a child to be raped by a member His Church’s clergy is proof enough that He is a real grade-A piece of shit.
He interferes in our affairs right? He sent a flood to exterminate our race because we were bad, right? He let Satan interfere in Job’s life right? Isn’t this evil enough to warrant some interference–some fucking smiting?
Put it this way: if I were sitting somewhere and a few feet away from me some guy was about to buttrape a child, and the guy was infinitely weak compared to me so that I could stop him with essentially no effort on my part, and I just sat there and watched the scumbag have his way, why would anyone ever believe in me/trust in me again. Because I wanted to let the scumbag have free will? Because the free will of a rapist is more important than a child’s well-being? Fine, let the scumbag’s free will be. Just straight up murder the motherfucker before he does the deed.
Shit like this proves it: if there is an omniscient, omnipotent being interested in human affairs, He is a real fucking douche.[/quote]
Wow, great way to not make a grade A straw man argument. Do you even know what we say about our own G-d? This is the simplest answer of all the answers to answer.
Why did G-d allow this to happen? G-d allows such evils to happen for the greater good.[/quote]
I can’t even imagine a victim sticking around the C.C. long enough to partake in the catholic counseling/healing/reconciliation, but I’m sure there are some that do. Is this what a catholic counselor would tell the victim? Our God allowed this horror to happen to you for the greater good? And it’s because we are all such sinners anyway. Yes, let’s confess sins, repent, and do penance. Every day is not too often. Morning, noon and night is better. We are the dustiest dust. And you know, the C.C. is the only one true religion so if you leave you will never be saved and your soul will go to hell because you turned away from the only valid church there is. How can you even think of leaving? Blasphemy! Get back here and confess that sinful thought, repent and do penance so you MIGHT be healed.
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Wow, I see who the real Christians are, and I just see those who are Protestants, Protestants against Christ and his Bride. Defectors and liberals all of you. And, Tirib I knew you couldn’t resist throwing your stone, I guess you have stopped sinning, now? Going to go stand next to Mary and in the sinless section, are you?
Is the hurting of an innocent child okay? No, is it ever okay? No, should Catholics accept it? No, ever? Never!
If you look at the history of the world, the Catholic Church has done nothing the world has not done, when children were abused, it was covered up and hidden. Most of the world does this, no one put it into the front page. Now, it has came about, it has come public, WHICH IS GOOD! As, the Holy Father, B16, has done made it policy and Canon law, that if child abuse is found, superiors are to report it TO THE POLICE. However, studies still show that the Catholic Church out of ALL religions, even yours Tirib, and yours Sweet Revenge, has the lowest percent of abuses and pedophiles.
Is that an excuse or an argument for priests being pedophiles and being around children, no. Do we have bad people in our institute, just like the rest of them? Yes, you want to take down the Catholic Church. Go ahead, take our money, take our Churches, sue us, that is fine. I don’t blame you, I don’t care for and tolerate those that hurt others, either. I tell you what though, they Catholic Church ain’t going no where, and to pretend that all Priests are like this, then you’re just plain blind and dumb. Go somewhere else and spill your drivel.
And, as well, we’re the only institution in the world that has the moral code (not that the individual members may follow it, but we have it) to protect the world’s dignity and freedom, and we’re about the only institution that at the end of the day can be looked at for guidance in matters of conservatism and morals. Who helped prosecute the Nazi’s? Who gave Europe and most of the West their laws in which they are not destroying?
Oh @ Sweet Revenge, the reason why there were no Catholics on Wednesday, is because it was Ash Wednesday, not that we’re hiding. Trust me, we’re not scared of scandal and we’re definitely not scared of you, we’ve been doing this for 2000 years, and we still haven’t brought down our own Church and we’re on the inside you want a pick and hammer and go at it from the outside, give it a try!
Just remember SR, Our first loyalty is to the Lord, not a forum. And, just in case you don’t know what Ash Wednesday is, it’s when we humble ourselves, take upon our foreheads an ashen cross to show the world WE ARE SINNERS and without the mercy of the Lord there is NO salvation. And we’re told and tell ourselves, “Remember that you are dust, and unto dust you shall return” (in Latin for myself).
So, please go ahead and help the Catholic Church clean up her mess, embarrass us, do the work of G-d, it will only help us purify our congregation and get the pedophile priests that the baptized faithful despise away from the children.
But, please…don’t act like you’re going to take us down, do not attack the Pope, and do not make fallacious arguments. In the end it’ll only make you feel small and silly for saying such horse shit.
And, remember we knew we were sinners and needed mercy before you told us. ;)[/quote]
Sorry, but being against the corrupt CC is NOT the same as being against Christ.
However, I do recognize that YOU believe it is.
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Being against the Catholic Church, which Christ established is going against Christ and his Church.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
alarmingly high numbers.
[/quote]
Yes, there should be zero. But, just to prove your point. Why don’t you show me some percentages on how much alarmingly high we are compared to other religions and as well to married fathers. Go on, show me. I think you might be surprised.[/quote]
I know what you’re getting at. Does it matter? If I were a devotee of an institution whose grip on the levers of power was wholly contingent upon a fabricated, mythological struggle between good and evil, I would expect the officials of that institution to be truly and unequivocally good. I mean good even in the little details–never took a dollar that wasn’t earned, never told even a little white lie.[/quote]
Well, I guess when you find that institution you can do that, but the only thing that matters is if the priest can bring me Jesus’s body, blood, soul and divinity by his ordained hands. Otherwise, I am not so immature to realise that Priests are men, too. They will sin, and when it happens their is forgiveness and reconciliation and they should stand up like a man and take their own medicine. In this case for the guilty priests, would be jail time.
Yes…yes, I am sure you do, as do I. However, I am not so immature to leave Peter for Judas.
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That’s how I would expect my religious institution to run if I wanted it to be in any way credible.[/quote]
Yes, and that is how most man made institutions are expected to be run so they are credible; however, Catholics are given the grace of G-d to come to the truth, not our own reason. Or, we’d be Protestants.
Yes, we’re not hypocrites because we’re Catholic, we’re Catholic because we’re hypocrites.
Don’t use the Lord’s name in vain.
High officials, like who? Bishops of Diocese, most of the Bishops weren’t even here when the priests we’re accused, most of these Priests were accused or committed these crimes 20-30 years ago.
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In the end it simply shows that you people are not special.[/quote]
Lol, what? When did we say we were, that’s kinda dumb since I, nor anyone I know said that Catholics are special, except that we have a monopoly on the truth. Besides that we’re sinners just like the rest of the world, we just attempt to be the different from the rest of the world.
Ancient mythology? Want to prove Jesus isn’t real? Didn’t really die on the cross, didn’t really say those things, didn’t really fulfill those prophesies, didn’t really establish the Catholic Church? Jesus and his Church are a historical fact, either you believe him or not, but then it’s not a mythology, it’s a lie.
The mythology is the part where the snake talks and God tells a guy to build a boat and fill it with two of every animal and Jesus walks on water and rises from the dead.
The Greeks believed Zeus turned himself into a swan and fucked a girl named Leda. Sounds literally just as credible to me.
But that’s a debate for another thread. I understand that not all Catholics are bad people by any means and its always good to see Catholics condemning this kind of bullshit.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
That abomination in Rome has been bringing reproach and dishonor on the name of the risen Christ for centuries and centuries. I have steadfastly resisted using this issue as a weapon in my arsenal against her because I thought it cheap and something of a low blow as the theology of that church and the walking deadness of her members provided plenty of evidence of her anti Christian nature without resorting to playing the pedo/cover up card. I was even hesitant to chime in on this one, but I really believe God is in the process of bringing low and exposing that assembly line of sin for what it is.[/quote]
Where do you come up with this garbage?
One could start at http://www.bishop-accountability.org
Or maybe Angry Chicken’s list from another thread will shed some light on the issue:
All of the people KILLED in the name of Jesus Christ…
Jerusalem was conquered on 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). In the words of one witness: “there [in front of Solomon’s temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes”, and after that “happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour’s tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude.”
The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: “It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished.”
Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that “even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition”.
Here’s a FEW more:
As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as “temple destroyers”.
Pagan services became punishable by death in 356.
Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues.
In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities.
The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded.
Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch,Germany.
15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown.
16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops “pacified and civilized” Ireland, where only Gaelic “wild Irish”, “unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing.” One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that “the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies… and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie”, which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused “greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde”.
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage.
First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II
Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown)
After Antiochia (then Turkey) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. A month later 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed. Here the Christians “did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy’s] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies,” according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres.
Marra (Maraat an-numan) thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine “the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians” said chronicler Albert Aquensis.
Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. Thousands of heathens slaughtered “in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ”.
Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian.
Richard the Lionhearted executed 3,000 Muslem POWs.
On command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Bezi�©rs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims (including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic
neighbors and friends) estimated between 20,000-70,000.
Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated.
After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324
Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding victims in the New World).
Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was responsible for 10,220 burnings.
John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415
Michael Sattler, leader of a baptist community, was burned at the stake in Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other follwers were also executed.
University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna.
Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on 2/17/1600.
Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old scottish student of Edinburgh University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.
In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.
HOW ABOUT JEWISH PERSICUTION?
1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated.
1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed
1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland.
1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned.
1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians).
1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered.
1391 Seville’s Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored “badges of shame” that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain
This goes on and on, century after century, right into the kilns of Auschwitz.
HOW ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT OF THE “NEW WORLD”? “When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead.”
I am not by any means defending these priests. Convict any bastard that molests our kids. However, I find it interesting that people want to blame the institution and the responsible person(s). It’s possible that the Church protected some of these priests or paid off some people. I’m sure it’s happened (I don’t have any proof, just speculating), but the outrage should still be directed to the responsible person. These bastards deserve to fry.
I am willing to bet that there is a higher percentage of teachers molesting kids than priests. I see this on the news just about every day, some teacher getting busted for molesting a student. Why no outrage over the Teacher’s Union or Department of Education?
[quote]smh23 wrote:
The mythology is the part where the snake talks and God tells a guy to build a boat and fill it with two of every animal and Jesus walks on water and rises from the dead.
The Greeks believed Zeus turned himself into a swan and fucked a girl named Leda. Sounds literally just as credible to me.
But that’s a debate for another thread. I understand that not all Catholics are bad people by any means and its always good to see Catholics condemning this kind of bullshit.[/quote]
Why would anybody condone child molestation? Seriously.
[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
That abomination in Rome has been bringing reproach and dishonor on the name of the risen Christ for centuries and centuries. I have steadfastly resisted using this issue as a weapon in my arsenal against her because I thought it cheap and something of a low blow as the theology of that church and the walking deadness of her members provided plenty of evidence of her anti Christian nature without resorting to playing the pedo/cover up card. I was even hesitant to chime in on this one, but I really believe God is in the process of bringing low and exposing that assembly line of sin for what it is.[/quote]
Where do you come up with this garbage?[/quote]
'cause everybody save for like 100 people in mid-Michigan have been predestined to go to hell. Didn’t you know?
[quote]Sweet Revenge wrote:
Or maybe Angry Chicken’s list from another thread will shed some light on the issue:
All of the people KILLED in the name of Jesus Christ…
Jerusalem was conquered on 7/15/1099
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Uh Jerusalem was Christian since the 300’s, MUSLIMS invaded and we took it back. Christian’s didn’t conquer Jerusalem, did we run it and kick everyone out? Yes, did we invade and conquer? No, did we recapture it? Yes.
Maybe you should go to class instead of copying bad history from the internet.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
That abomination in Rome has been bringing reproach and dishonor on the name of the risen Christ for centuries and centuries. I have steadfastly resisted using this issue as a weapon in my arsenal against her because I thought it cheap and something of a low blow as the theology of that church and the walking deadness of her members provided plenty of evidence of her anti Christian nature without resorting to playing the pedo/cover up card. I was even hesitant to chime in on this one, but I really believe God is in the process of bringing low and exposing that assembly line of sin for what it is.
I was willing for a long time to allow that this was being blown out of proportion by the media who hates the gospel and by attacking Rome believed they were attacking Christ. After all every church is going to have horrifically bad specimens including mine so I thought it unfair to beat up on the vatican on that score when there was an endless storehouse of other areas that testified against her already.
However, I’m beginning to think that we haven’t heard the half of this. More and more and more. All over the world and the same exact script.
What the Pope Knew CNN Investigation. I still haven’t investigated all this as it’s CNN. Take it for what it’s worth. As much as I abhor the Catholic church I do not want this issue to be as bad as it looks like it’s going to end up being.
http://gregnmary.gotdns.com:8080/index.php/topic,234.0.html[/quote]
Yeah, because your ilk has never done anything like that…Noooo. They honor Christ when they fuck small children. Is that your stance, Presbyterians are sinless and everybody else is bad?
http://www.reformation.com/presbyterianabuse.html
http://www.layman.org/news.aspx?article=14823
It’s bigger story when it comes from despicable people in the Catholic church. The church bigger and it has more meaning in the world, period. It’s held to a higher standard.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< If you look at the history of the world, the Catholic Church has done nothing the world has not done, >>>[/quote]Ohhhh you are so deadly right about this my dear Christopher. If you need any help getting those feet outta yer mouth I will always be here my friend. I’ll let somebody else handle the rest of this post.
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So, you are now claiming purity above all men? Above all Catholics? Your a ‘true worshiper’. If you are what a true worshiper looks like, I thank God I am not like that.
[quote]pat wrote:<<< Yeah, because your ilk has never done anything like that… >>>[/quote][quote]Tiribulus wrote:
<<< After all every church is going to have horrifically bad specimens including mine so I thought it unfair to beat up on the vatican on that score when there was an endless storehouse of other areas that testified against her already.
However, I’m beginning to think that we haven’t heard the half of this. More and more and more. All over the world and the same exact script. >>>[/quote]Of course other churches have examples of detestable debauchery. Like I keep saying Pat. You do not hear when I speak. Could you please find some where high level church officials in an orthodox actually Christian denomination reassigned known perverts in a systematic and pervasive campaign of coverup for decades like Rome has. Including the present Pope? I’m not talkin about “United_____________” liberal houses of idolatry. I guarantee you my church and any of the communions we associate with would instantly and decisively deal with ANY credible revelation of this nature. Police involvement before the end of the day.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:<<< Yeah, because your ilk has never done anything like that… >>>[/quote][quote]Tiribulus wrote:
<<< After all every church is going to have horrifically bad specimens including mine so I thought it unfair to beat up on the vatican on that score when there was an endless storehouse of other areas that testified against her already.
However, I’m beginning to think that we haven’t heard the half of this. More and more and more. All over the world and the same exact script. >>>[/quote]Of course other churches have examples of detestable debauchery. Like I keep saying Pat. You do not hear when I speak. Could you please find some where high level church officials in an orthodox actually Christian denomination reassigned known perverts in a systematic and pervasive campaign of coverup for decades like Rome has. Including the present Pope? I’m not talkin about “United_____________” liberal houses of idolatry. I guarantee you my church and any of the communions we associate with would instantly and decisively deal with ANY credible revelation of this nature. Police involvement before the end of the day.
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Uh…you do know that there are no “high level church officials” who covered this up? It was pretty much isolated in the diocese with Bishops covering up for their priests. The current Pope when he was Prefect did what he could with what he knew, but he never covered up anything. As well, the current Pope established that if any abuse comes to be known, both priests and bishops are required to alert the civil authorities, exempt if it is within the sacrament of reconciliation.
OH
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:<<< Yeah, because your ilk has never done anything like that… >>>[/quote][quote]Tiribulus wrote:
<<< After all every church is going to have horrifically bad specimens including mine so I thought it unfair to beat up on the vatican on that score when there was an endless storehouse of other areas that testified against her already.
However, I’m beginning to think that we haven’t heard the half of this. More and more and more. All over the world and the same exact script. >>>[/quote]Of course other churches have examples of detestable debauchery. Like I keep saying Pat. You do not hear when I speak. Could you please find some where high level church officials in an orthodox actually Christian denomination reassigned known perverts in a systematic and pervasive campaign of coverup for decades like Rome has. Including the present Pope? I’m not talkin about “United_____________” liberal houses of idolatry. I guarantee you my church and any of the communions we associate with would instantly and decisively deal with ANY credible revelation of this nature. Police involvement before the end of the day.
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Uh…you do know that there are no “high level church officials” who covered this up? It was pretty much isolated in the diocese with Bishops covering up for their priests. The current Pope when he was Prefect did what he could with what he knew, but he never covered up anything. As well, the current Pope established that if any abuse comes to be known, both priests and bishops are required to alert the civil authorities, exempt if it is within the sacrament of reconciliation. [/quote]
Chris, have you watched the CNN video that Tiribulus posted. It implicates that the current Pope may have done far less then he could have when dealing with sex scandals in the past.