2024 Presidential Candidate Talk

YEP! 100%. Wish I could do more than like and comment on this.

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This is how you view it. Which says that you are unwilling to come off your position for something that may be beneficial to a large number of people (fringe law ideas on both sides should be roundly thrown out).

But morals will be compromised to vote for the guy one thinks is slightly less bad than the other guy. How Trump ever garnered the Christian vote is beyond me.

Abortion.

If this cannot be done, ALL compromises are progressive wins.

Pass bills individually.

As @Bauber said if you don’t like abortion don’t get one bit that should not limit others access to it. It’s the same issue from the other side with guns. Don’t like one don’t buy one.

Plus, separate argument, but there is nothing in the Bible in its original language prohibiting abortion.

I agree with this. No bundled bills.

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And that changes why Trump got the Christian vote?
You asked why and I told you why.

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I am saying the stance on abortion is a weird hill to die on when it comes to voting.

It’s picking and choosing what aspects of ones belief system they will cling to to vote.

If truly voting as a Christian no candidate in the last few elections would meet muster.

No major candidate got my vote in the last couple elections

And nothing promoting the idea.

We’ve had this discussion some. What is the original language of the Bible?

I suppose you just don’t get it. Most Christians are voting against the Democrat party candidate if you press them.

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The Old Testament are the Hebrew texts (originals or old copies of which are hard to come by)
The New Testament is the original Greek writings.

To assume nothing was lost or changed in translation is a fallacy.

That does not jive with Christian teachings is what I am saying.

Well no politician does for the very most part.
They are voting against.

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My point exactly. There is a large enough population of Christians (in name at least) that could band together and put forth a candidate, but that doesn’t happen.

I’m all about polarization. I think it is needed at this time. We’re yet again at another point in our nation’s history where people need to reject the democrats and everything they currently stand for. This happens every few generations but for some reason people keep coming around to the Democrats and their empty words that have been polluting this country since the 1830’s.

What’s the middle ground with teaching children that they might be, can be, and even should be members of the opposite sex? Waiting until they are 8 is better than starting it in pre-school, but it is still a terrible policy that should have been stopped at the gate, but instead we let the cat out of the bag. Compromising on this just means you are okay with waiting a few years before you mess the kids up with a false, perverse and destructive ideology.

What’s the middle ground with defunding the police, re-imagining the police or any other set of buzzwords progressives use when what they are actually doing is throwing good cops like Darren Wilson under the bus and inviting the mothers of violent criminals up on stage at the DNC? Do we only throw good cops under the bus a little bit? Do we only decriminalize violent crime a little bit? Do we only let half of the people with a rap sheet like the Waukesha SUV killer out on a pittance bail right after they commit a horrific assault on their baby momma?

What’s the middle ground with their next round of medical mandates? Do we only fire people we all agree are likely disease vectors? Do we only shut people out of society who we all agree are likely disease vectors? How many more people should we run out of skilled professions?

What’s the middle ground with illegal immigration? Do we agree to only enforce our immigration laws Monday through Thursday?

What’s the middle ground with social media censorship? Do we agree that conservatives probably need to be censored, but not quite as much as they have been brazenly censoring conservatives?

I think DeSantis is the best politician out of all Gen X and Millennials on the national scene, and it isn’t even close for me. The problem with political jobs is that they need to be done by imperfect people, but DeSantis is the best fit I’ve seen for the job in a really long time.

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I’d like to see the attempt to do so.

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I was in St. Louis when that all went down (the plant I worked is ome town east of that location).

Looking at the facts that case was clear.

I have a problem with those on both sides who think only with feelings.

Do you really think that people who believe that abortion is the murder of a baby should just ignore it? That’s a weird argument to me. What about infanticide? Or even child abuse? Don’t want to torture your kid, don’t. But don’t tell me I can’t torture mine.

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The problem is a difference in definition of what constitutes a human vs fetus. Science has one position, religion another.

How many Christians who take that stance on abortion are willing to take cocaine addicted kids in through foster care? How many are putting their money where their mouth is?
I know @RT_Nomad has mentioned adopting from the foster care system and I applaud him for truly standing up for his beliefs. But few and far between are the folks that do this.

I get that. But do you think someone who truly believes abortion is the murder of a child should just ignore it?