2024 Presidential Candidate Talk

I never gave that much thought, but justice seemed just before Miranda. I believe I concur.

Yes. I am that old.

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Greece went bankrupt in recent years. - Heavy on socialist policy
UK is rationing eggs: UK Egg Crisis Shows Food-Supply Crunches That Won’t Go Away - Bloomberg

Venezuela is starving to death and has 2000% inflation - state heavy on socialist policy.

6 million people leaving is more than 20% of the population.

US is still a young country. Sooner or later the debt rooster will come home to roost.

Oh, know what people in Venezuela also don’t have? Jobs, sick time, healthcare

Also- warning if you Google “Failing socialist countries” you get back a bunch of articles on why socialism is great and have to dig pages before you find a contradictory view.

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$0.00.

That wasn’t real socialism!!!

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Indeed. On a totally unrelated note, if free market capitalism fails to immediately take a society from the Stone Age to paradise-on-earth, that should be blamed on capitalism-doesn’t matter whether socialism brought it the Stone Age, capitalism should 100% repair the damage done or it’s a failure.

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The extent of the debate here:

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I agree with the spirit of this post, because Mayor Pete is a mild-mannered, well-spoken Hoosier who was raised Catholic in Indiana, just like I was. I disagree due to the fact that advocating for modern Democrat policy requires the saying of incredibly stupid shit.

Here’s video of Mayor Pete insisting that the door needs to remain open for public school educators to explain adult sexual behaviors to very young children. Making the argument he does requires the deliberate misrepresentation of the Parental Rights in Education Bill. It is dishonest from the get-go, as are most modern leftist narratives. That’s why it is commonly known as the "Don’t Say Gay Bill, even though nothing like that is even in the bill. Even more dramatic mental gymnastics are required to justify the notion that these same young children ought to be taught that they might be, can be, and even should be members of the opposite sex.

It is deeply misguided madness at best and deeply malicious evil at worst.

Really, Mayor Pete? It is dangerous to NOT explain adult sexual behaviors to K-3 children? Please, keep talking. Every parent in the country will be listening if he’s ever in a debate as the Democratic candidate for President of the USA.

Mayor Pete is, indeed, a slick talker. I realize that appeals to a lot of people, but I’m the kind of person who appreciates a straight talker, not ridiculous mental gymnastics or even eloquent language used to dodge simple questions. Here he is in his current capacity as the Transportation Secretary completely dodging a very straightforward question about why Tesla wasn’t invited to the Electric Vehicle event put on by the White House.

That’s sort of like having an event to promote Strongman in America and not inviting Brian Shaw. That deserves an explanation.

I did at first too, but I came to appreciate Trump’s style. I still think that government in the USA could use some more bulls in the China shops.

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He didn’t just whitewash that, he turned it into an alabaster cathedral that holds our brilliant and gleaming future!

What a bullshitter!

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A big part of why I don’t like him is that I can admire his ability to do the things necessary to advance the narrative. If I put myself in a position to sincerely argue for modern Democrat governance, I’d probably do it in a way similar to Mayor Pete, even though I’m no Mayor Pete myself.

He is a very shrewd man whos is much better-spoken than I am, not to mention better-looking and probably better-smelling too. That’s why he’s got a fat government job that makes him set for life and I am stuck being a modestly-paid person who produces value for society with my work.

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Maybe so, but he’ll never experience the life changing effects of Mayonustard.

He’ll be a two jar slave till the day he dies.

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And he doesn’t like titties.

I’m sorry, but I can’t trust a male that doesn’t like titties.

Gay or straight.

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I don’t intend to argue or belittle you. But I am curious about just what kind of a leftist are you considering the left appears to be filled with contradiction and constantly changing and expanding their list of grievances and theories. Like, are you an old-school communist or socialist, or are you a modern leftist who enjoys the support of mega corporations who actually engage in much exploitation and mistreatment of humanity all over the world while at the same time having sympathy for and preoccupied with aggrieved groups?

Personally I’m a mix. I don’t believe in law-of-the-jungle/might-makes-right economics, nor am I all for “muh GDP” and “productivity” at the expense of social stability and safety. But I’m also not a Commie.

I admit I have had a hard time keeping up with all of your posts even though I am interested in this thread because of being very busy.

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You hit my view of economics on the head.

Sink or swim mother fucker.

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I made the assumption that we were talking about legal rights, since this is a political forum. My mistake. Going forward, you may assume that anytime I bring up rights, I am specifically referring to rights in the United States, as defined by our laws and our constitution.

What did he say in the video (not things you assume about his position, but actual words he said) that you disagree with here, specifically? He didn’t say anything about ‘sexual behaviors’, he brought up the example of being able to talk about one’s family in class. And he expressed a concern that this particular bill would prohibit children with gay parents from doing so, if a teacher chose to interpret the law as such. Also, he didn’t refer to the bill as the ‘don’t say gay’ bill, the interviewer did. Granted, I wouldn’t have a problem if he had called it that, because for communication purposes, it would suffice to do so (we all know the bill under this name, regardless of what side you’re on, if you say it, we know what you’re talking about).

Again, you’re presenting an argument that OTHER people are making, and perhaps Pete has somewhere else, but not in the evidence you presented.

I have yet to meet a gay man who doesn’t like titties. If this is indeed true about Pete, I’m out on him too. I’ll have to do some research here.

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I’m somewhere in between.

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I have met multiple that think they are gross lol.

Understandable.

I am more jaded because people suck and are scum that will take advantage of any situation in the laziest way possible.

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that’s just sad. I’ve never felt more like humanity is doomed than I do right now.

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Yes. I’ve actually met or heard about a good number of people who live decent lives without working. I’m talking food, healthcare, apartment, and clothing without working for years! In some states one doesn’t have to work if not wanting to and be just fine.

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To begin with, he didn’t correct the interviewer who called it “Don’t Say Gay”. He went along with that premise and then added to the dishonesty by raising concerns about a hypothetical situation that the bill doesn’t even address. A child can say something about his two dads, and the teacher is free to acknowledge that child and then get along with the business of educating the K-3 children in important topics.

Johnny: I went to Six Flags with my dads this weekend.

Billy: You have two dads?

Teacher: Yes, Johnny has two dads. Now, please open your math textbooks to page 14. Today we’re learning about multiplication tables.

What the teacher is not free to do is to use the hypothetical child mentioning his two dads as a launching point for a lesson about adult sexual relationships, what it means to be gay or an exploration of gender identity. The law instead forces them to get on with the business of teaching things like multiplication tables and other useful information that EVERYONE wants the teachers to impart to the children. The “Don’t Say Gay” bill is rather simple and tolerant. It isn’t a large bill , but the relevant portion to this situation states…

“prohibits classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels;”

Here’s the whole text, which isn’t a lot of text. It’s rather simple and mostly straight forward.

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557

To circle back to Mayor Pete, he is stating in plain English the bill is dangerous. Let me say that again, he is saying that it is DANGEROUS to put the limits that the bill does on what educators can teach. It is therefore reasonable to assume that he believes it is important to have classroom discussions about sexual orientation and gender identity in grades K-3. This also means he believes tax money should be used for this sort of instruction and it also means he believes it is important enough to use valuable education opportunities to discuss/teach this topic at the expense of other topics.

He’s expressed clear support for these notions in the past, and he’s also a Cabinet Member of a Presidential Administration that has been rather clear in their belief that young children ought to be taught that they might be, can be, and even should be members of the opposite sex. There is really no ambiguity from the Biden Administration. They are all-in on so-called “gender affirming care” for children. Mayor Pete isn’t some low-level analyst, he’s holding a cabinet level position in this administration.

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