2024 Presidential Candidate Talk

[twojarslave]

@castoli

Here is 1/2 of your dream ticket on M4A

I’m not seeing the part I disagree with or the part where Crenshaw looks stupid. Do you realize that video is from 2020?

Which part specifically did you find to be moronic? I found Packman’s positions to be rather silly, specifically the part where he insists that socialized medicine will work great. What was his proof? Why, look at all the money we spent during Covid! If we can do that, we can provide healthcare to everyone he says!

Two years later, we’ve got the worst inflation in 40 years. Time has not vindicated David Packman’s stance from 2 years ago. Crenshaw holds the same position he did then, which I thought he explained quite clearly. Which part did you find confusing or difficult to understand?

I agree that healthcare isn’t a right. I agree that comparing it to the fire department is a poor comparison. Meeting the nations fire-fighting needs isn’t a major challenge like healthcare is, nor are the industries themselves even remotely comparable. Packman also seemed to be insinuating that Rogan is simply foolish for not voting for Joe Biden.

Two years later, and time has not vindicated Packman on his Joe Biden position either.

The second one began with the guy firmly establishing his own emotional fragility before straw-manning Crenshaw in defense of massive government spending. I’d seen enough.

If you’re coming on here to post clips of other people’s thoughts and expect people to watch long videos and respond to them as if they’re your positions, well, good luck with that.

If you think you can match wits with some of the posters, try explaining a position of your own instead of posting shallow criticisms you can’t even begin to back up with your own words. You could start by giving your example of your presumably third party politician that you feel has the right ideas about governance.

If I’ve got it so wrong @castoli, you must have it right. Who is your 2024 candidate?

@castoli

It isn’t an “now and then” issue. It’s his political philosophy. And THAT is the problem.

Similar question. If my political philosophy is the problem, what’s the solution? What’s the correct political philosophy that you presumably hold?

[zecarlo]

It’s a start. Although I think there are far worse corporations that need to be humbled.

[zecarlo]

I didn’t say I agree with his philosophy. I said he isn’t the worst person in public office, I know that bar is low, and if he ran for president he wouldn’t be the death of America. I do believe he is results driven more than being a demagogue however, the reality right now is that politicians need to pander and can’t show any signs of being able to compromise or appear flexible in their beliefs. I would like to believe that once faced with reality, he would recognize it’s not all black and white. This is where Trump failed in my opinion. Everything Obama related was bad by default for example. I don’t think you can properly govern based on taking a contrarian approach to policy decisions. I doubt Crenshaw would be so simple minded.

[NickViar]

@twojarslave

Do you realize that video is from 2020?

You’re asking @zeppelin795 whether he realizes something?

[castoli]

@twojarslave

Do you realize that video is from 2020?

So that invalidates it?

@twojarslave

I’m not seeing the part I disagree with or the part where Crenshaw looks stupid.

First Crenshaw says that M4A is not a public good and then minutes later he says it is a public good.

@twojarslave

I found Packman’s positions to be rather silly, specifically the part where he insists that socialized medicine will work great

Yeah every industrialized country has some form of single-payer and pays about half of what we do but some forms of socialism don’t work. And we aren’t even ranked that high. 37th in the world the last time I looked. We don’t have healthcare in this country. We have a profit based system that disguises itself as healthcare. Whatever can make the most money in the shortest amount of time and increase shareholder profits. if people have to suffer, fuck;em, we need to make another buck. That is the primary concern. In short, profits over people.

So government spending+inflation? If that is true, why didn’t we have inflation during Trumo’s years? He spent more than Biden.

@twojarslave

straw-manning Crenshaw

Where?

@twojarslave

Who is your 2024 candidate?

Certainly no one running in the Republican or Democratic party. Hopefully Ventura will run in the Green Party or some other 3rd party. A vote for a Republican or Democrat is just a vote to further destroy this country and planet. We live in an oligarchy.

@twojarslave

If my political philosophy is the problem, what’s the solution? What’s the correct political philosophy that you presumably hold?

Simply look around. It won’t be perfect but we can surely do better.
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castoli
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It’s a start. Although I think there are far worse corporations that need to be humbled.

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castoli
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I didn’t say I agree with his philosophy. I said he isn’t the worst person in public office, I know that bar is low, and if he ran for president he wouldn’t be the death of America. I do believe he is results driven more than being a demagogue however, the reality right now is that politicians need to pander and can’t show any signs of being able to compromise or appear flexible in their beliefs. I would like to believe that once faced with reality, he would recognize it’s not all black and white. This is where Trump failed in my opinion. Everything Obama related was bad by default for example. I don’t think you can properly govern based on taking a contrarian approach to policy decisions. I doubt Crenshaw would be so simple minded.

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twojarslave

[twojarslave]

I think I understand you now. You believe the clip you posted makes Dan Crenshaw look like a moron. You also believe his political philosophy (and mine, due to overlap) is the problem. When asked to describe your own political philosophy, you said…

@castoli

Simply look around. It won’t be perfect but we can surely do better.

That’s how you describe your political philosophy? With those words?. I’m not surprised you have the confidence to describe someone like Dan Crenshaw as a moron.

At least you get props for naming a potential 2024 candidate.

[BrickHead]

Anyone know of an Anglospherian or Western European politician who doesn’t think everything is one giant game and joke?!

[doogie]

@castoli You are free to go to medical school and then provide medical services at Walmart prices. You just aren’t free to make anyone else do it.

[NickViar]

I think Zep(newly created member-posts on heavy metal and socialist politics, just like his other names that have disappeared as soon as they were called on it) has previously stated that he has some sort of disability that prevents him from working.

[doogie]

Of course he does.

[chimichangadeadpool11]

This thread should be renamed “2024 Republican Presidential Primary Candidate Talk.” LOL! (And no, I’m not a Democrat)

[chimichangadeadpool11]

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@castoli

Vote for a Republican or Democrat and you are voting for the continued destruction of our country and even planet.

Now here’s someone who speaks my language

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

It’s because there’s no one running from the left that’s worth the paper to vote for.

Except Tulsi, she could get it any day. My vote, i mean… yeah, my vote…

[doogie]

Who is a viable third-party candidate that is actually running?

[twojarslave]

My kid showed me a guy from the internet who calls himself The Liver King. He eats raw liver, is very tan, very obnoxious about himself and lifts weights.

I have no idea if he’s running for President, but he’s as good of a front runner as any other likely third party candidate.

#TheLiverKing2024

[flipcollar]

@twojarslave

My kid showed me a guy from the internet who calls himself The Liver King. He eats raw liver, is very tan, very obnoxious about himself and lifts weights.

He flies in private jets to film scenes in New York, just as our ancient ancestors did.

His shtick is so fucking weird. I’m pretty sure he’s actually just a paid actor working for supplement companies that sell liver-based products (among other things), essentially. It’s a pretty well disguised marketing campaign if you don’t look too close.

@doogie

You are free to go to medical school and then provide medical services at Walmart prices. You just aren’t free to make anyone else do it.

I’ve never really understood this argument. As Pakman mentioned in one of the videos, ER doctors are required, by law, to provide emergency, life-saving treatment, regardless of a patient’s ability to pay. Are ER doctors suddenly living in the poor house? I have a friend, about 30 years old, who’s an ER doctor in my city, and she makes close to half a million a year. Hardly going broke, even though she’s serving the public in this manner.

The problem with the argument is that we’re pretending there’s no middle ground, in terms of doctor salaries, between what they make now and what a single payer system would provide. The Republican assumption is continually that doctors will suddenly be making peanuts compared to now, and that’s a bad argument. There’s no reason that has to be true. The ACTUAL point of a single payer system has never been to make doctors make a whole lot less money, or even necessarily less at all, but to redistribute the funding of their salaries, right? You ease the burden on the average citizen, and you’re also hoping that the overall cost on society decreases, for reasons like people being incentivized to engage in more proactive medical visits and avoid the more costly emergency visits as a result.

As a side note, you wouldn’t have to change how medical practices work for all the doctors out there who are making massive amounts of money in elective surgeries/procedures. That’s really how the richest doctors in the US make their money, and that could be in a separate category from general healthcare. You can still have your gazillionaire beverly hills doctors that Republicans seem to care so much about, nobody will lose the incentive to go to med school because those opportunities aren’t going anywhere.

[chimichangadeadpool11]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

Except Tulsi, she could get it any day. My vote, i mean… yeah, my vote…

Tulsi isn’t left-wing. Most Democrats are not left-wing. The American Overton window is not the real political spectrum.

[twojarslave]

@flipcollar

His shtick is so fucking weird. I’m pretty sure he’s actually just a paid actor working for supplement companies that sell liver-based products (among other things), essentially. It’s a pretty well disguised marketing campaign if you don’t look too close.

Now that you mention this, maybe The Liver King would be better off running as a Democrat than as an independent.

I’m confident he can read a teleprompter better than Joe Biden, so he’d likely be a huge improvement. Eating raw liver is a lot less creepy than sniffing children, so maybe a muscular supplement salesman is the path to victory for Democrats in 2024.

[doogie]

@flipcollar

. As Pakman mentioned in one of the videos, ER doctors are required, by law, to provide emergency, life-saving treatment, regardless of a patient’s ability to pay. Are ER doctors suddenly living in the poor house?

ER doctors don’t charge individual patients. The hospital does. The ER doctors are paid for their time.

@flipcollar

As a side note, you wouldn’t have to change how medical practices work for all the doctors out there who are making massive amounts of money in elective surgeries/procedures. That’s really how the richest doctors in the US make their money, and that could be in a separate category from general healthcare. You can still have your gazillionaire beverly hills doctors that Republicans seem to care so much about, nobody will lose the incentive to go to med school because those opportunities aren’t going anywhere.

Your argument is that because plastic surgeons can still make a shit ton, it’s ok to limit the incentive for people to become brain surgeons or neurologists? Let the best in the medical field go into plastic surgery rather than something useful?

[flipcollar]

@doogie

ER doctors don’t charge individual patients. The hospital does. The ER doctors are paid for their time.

That’s kind of my point… why would a single payer system have to change that in any significant way? In terms of dr compensation?

@doogie

Your argument is that because plastic surgeons can still make a shit ton, it’s ok to limit the incentive for people to become brain surgeons or neurologists?

Does a single payer system mean that all specialty fields are worth the same as others? There’s nothing about a single payer system that would force all Dr’s to make the same amount of money as each other… I’m not sure why you believe there’s somehow no way to incentivize being a great dr in a single payer system.