Yes, play the troll card, snowflake.
Important to remember I’m responding to the concept that she wants to do away with all of capitalism because she pointed out the flaws that logically exist (and are taught academically) to have.
I’m all for a good socialist bashing, but it wasn’t good material. It was also in response to “democrats expressly denouncing capitalism” when they’ve done nothing of the sort. The GOP just can’t seem to stop retardmeme’ing AOC into the white house.
We can do a lot with that campaign slogan.
We don’t need details. Just you and some text:
Poverty? Fuck that.
Terrorist? Fuck that.
National debt: Fuck that
Health care: Fuck that
I’ll be damned if that alone doesn’t get you a bunch of votes.
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I know this wasn’t directed towards me, but I felt inclined to chime in.
I have a problem with the tax lowering because it was funded by increased borrowing. Last time the economy was doing this well we were running budget surpluses. And yet here we are, notching the biggest one-month deficit in history. Interest on the national debt is going to climb at a faster rate because of the tax cuts. Interest payments aren’t exactly optional if we want to continue borrowing. Paying more in interest effectively amounts to a tax increase in my eyes. And on a personal level, I have a problem paying more in taxes than Amazon and other large corporations.
True, more ISIS fighters are being KIA since Trump gave the military more leeway, but it’s coming at a cost of more civilian casualties. A lot of Republicans claim to be pro life, but don’t seem to give a shit when a Syrian family gets blown to bits.
This is related to your first point. The tax cuts were effectively a stimulus package for corporations, which has lead to increased hiring. Great in the short term, but is it worth what we paid in terms of increased borrowing? Remains to be seen.
I think the wall means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. For a lot of wall supporters, it’s a declaration of their values - a big middle finger to folks to the south; we’re all full; keep on moving. I’m not saying that’s your perspective, just the one I most commonly hear. I just see it as a misappropriation of my tax dollars.
All that said, I think most people have other reasons for not liking Trump - his attempts at undermining important US institutions; his choice of judicial appointments; his appointment of cabinet members who have vested interests in the failure of the agencies they’re tasked to lead; his support of the war in Yemen; his deference to despotic leaders; his personal conflicts of interest; his attempts at dismantling the ACA without having a viable alternative; skepticism of climate change. And, these are all just policy reasons. Not even getting into his character or treatment of others.
This is the standard response from Trump supporters. Are we really at a point where we don’t care if our leaders are decent people?
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I was not talking about ALL democrats. I also referenced the link I posted above where Bernie said he is not a capitalist and asked you how the US public would interpret this. Didn’t you reply that public opinion would be the same as the reaction to someone being labelled a socialist? If the US public construes this in such a way, isn’t it a “denouncement of capitalism” according to US terminology? Why would what AOC said be any different?
If it was slung in the 80s like you asked? It’d absolutely be effective. And we don’t have to guess. We know. Look at the election history. Socialism has been a hot button 1 way ticket to GOP turnout for decades.
Bernie is elected by a very small number of citizens. You wonder why Congress isn’t filled with Bernie clones?
In this instance I’d say the word socialism has seen 40+ years of watering down.
The boy who cried wolf was a mandatory read in mah family.
Tax-cuts: Decreasing tax revenue (mainly from the upper class and corporations) while increasing spending is fiscally irresponsible.
Terrorist-killing: There hasn’t been too much change here from the Obama administration. Trump merely accelerated the prior administrations anti-ISIL campaign. Arguably, the dismantlement of the countering violent extremism (CVE) program, reckless rhetoric and looser rules of engagement have been detrimental to US efforts in counter terrorism.
Jobs-creation: correlation doesn’t imply causation. The economy has grown in spite of Trump’s horrid international economic policies. The failure to join the Trans-Pacific-Partnership (TPP) is a historic failure.
Border security: I live in South Texas. While Customs and Border Protection certainly need more resources, the underlying causes of economic and security driven illegal migration need to be addressed.
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It’s got my vote! Especially, if the other guy doesn’t say the same! From now on, I’m voting for whomever says “Fuck” the most. I’ll guarantee my vote won’t fuck things up any worse than anyone else’s!
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I thought we’d never agree on anything, but here we are!
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That’s not what I’m saying. I was responding to:
Unless the meaning of “denounce” is also different in the US, those examples are denouncements.
There really was a wolf in the story.
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I’m happy to agree to disagree here. I’ll happily denounce many aspects of capitalism like AOC did (although less of them). I would disagree with the assertion that I’m denouncing all of capitalism.
Oh absolutely. And if socialism were to rise, the blame is gonna be on that stupid kid who kept yelling socialist when it really wasn’t.
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Yeah no problem. Just clarifying that my intent wasn’t to purposefully exaggerate things to push a point.
But this is also my thought process, which is why I’m correcting people when they use the word out of context in the first place.
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Fair point
I genuinely appreciate the effort. You’re just 3 decades late to this particular party lol.
Cheers! Happy Friday!
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I personally didn’t like a certain manager at my Job. But he did a great job. I’m not implying Trump’s performance (enough people are getting into that), but if the job gets done well it get done well regardless of personality.
One could argue a president’s personality, character and demeanor are part of his job. He needs to at least project a certain image.
According to many people he Projects his image just fine. And to others, not so much. That’s why we vote.
A lot of people HATE trump…but there’s many more who like (or “approve”) him enough to vote for him. Have you seen his approval rating? A couple of days ago it was 53%…like 6% higher than Obama’s was at the same point in his presidency. You would never guess it watching the news etc.
I repeat this until the day after the 2020 Presidential Election…
The only one who can “defeat” Trump is Trump himself. None of this current group of DEMS has a chance…
No.
You need to look at averaged polls, not individual ones. Was that Rasmussen? They have pretty much been discredited due to their methods. The biggest flaw is that they exclusively use land line polling. How many people under 50 have a land line? So they are really only polling older Americans, who probably do support Trump at higher levels.
I would believe low 40s, but 53, needs supporting evidence.
Polls don’t matter. They don’t determine the Election. They are all just Ra Ra’s for the daily pep-rallies on the news.