2019 NFL Thread

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For backups.

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Just going to have to agree to disagree. He’s not even a backup. That means he’s not in the top 64 QBs in the world. He had a decent RPO till defenses figured him out (after season 1). His accuracy and QB rating speak for him.

No one knows the terms of his ā€œsettlementā€ with the NFL. Maybe he took money to go away, permanently.

And I still think his stance was ignorant. Stats don’t back it up.

I also thought Alex Smith got screwed. He was doing fine with the 49ers and they decided to replace him with their top pick QB, Kaep.

Look who got paid, twice, since that decision was made. I think the team was good - not the rookie QB.

Hey sometimes replacing your injured starting QB with an inexperienced draft pick works out pretty well for like 20 years.

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It wouldn’t really make sense with his agent contacting teams - that’d be a public violation of terms.

Yup! No worries.

Yeah, but my whole point is that there are NFL players with way more heinous stances and records getting paid. I don’t have to agree with his stance, but it was a nonviolent protest, and even as a veteran I wasn’t offended. My problem with it is that I think Colin Kaepernick is like the Al Gore of football - they put spotlights on hot topics at a time when their public decline was imminent, and threw themselves into it under the pretense that they would live or die for the subject when it was as much a cry for attention as anything else (and a money grab). How I feel about the topics is irrelevant - right or wrong, I think they should be in the discussion. They’re just…kind of…douchebags, and super self righteous while getting paid. Kaep is still WAY less of a shitty person than a lot of current NFL players.

And seriously @punnyguy is right - Kaepernick was a devastating QB to have in fantasy. I just have a slightly higher opinion of his skill than others here, which is fair enough.

I don’t watch a lot of the nonsensical talk stuff on TV, but the same people bringing up his secret settlement said his agent wasn’t getting called back. That’s odd. They blamed the agent.

It’s obvious why I’ll never agree, but the part that most folks are missing is that freedom of speech is a constitutional right. That’s a law kind of thing. However, freedom of speech only protects your legal rights. It does nothing in the business world.

I can’t cry foul if I tell my boss he’s a f*cking idiot and get fired. Anything that’s a distraction is detrimental to pro sports. People want to make Kaep’s situation about his stance, but it could simply be business. AB is further proof of that.

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Oh of course - I understand the whole idea that freedom of speech as most people understand it - ā€œI can say what I want! Why did you fire me?ā€ - is hilariously inaccurate. I just mean, the NFL had no problem giving Greg Hardy 13 mil for 1 year after he beat his girlfriend to within an inch of her life, and I always wondered where the line was. Turns out the line is right through owners’ wallets. Makes sense.

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They’ve been looking the other way for years. Domestic violence isn’t new. I think the only punishment I’ve seen prior to the recent surge in DV stuff is for PEDs and weed. Everything else used to be okay.

It’s the typical business approach. If dude makes plays and makes me money then I don’t care what he does away from work.

I agree … I think it had to do with a combination of him being politically toxic coupled with being a slightly above average (albeit talented) 2nd / 3rd stringer …

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Don’t be all rational and shit, you’ll make me change my opinion. This is the interwebz bro, I’m not supposed to let logic get in the way of me always being right. Which I am.

As I expected, when they play a good team Jackson and the Raven’s look pretty average. Brown has 1 catch and Jackson just crossed 100 yards passing going into the 4th.

Ingram looks good.

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Coordinated effort to not play a guy who kneeled during a song. Yet assaulters get 2nd chances. They already lost the moral high ground. If he doesn’t choose to peacefully protest black people being killed he’s still in the league.

Arguments that it was his play are ludicrous. Check out his stats compared to other backups his last two years. He was in zero danger of not having a job. No one even approached the idea that he wouldn’t be on a roster the next year.

Hell this was said about him. He’s a starter in this league,ā€ Carroll said. ā€œWe have a starter, but he is a starter in this league and I can’t imagine somebody won’t give him a chance to play.ā€

Starter we may disagree with. But he didn’t even have an awful 2016 on a completely talentless roster. Certainly not bad enough to not have a job the next season. As someone with experience and success he would have been signed as a backup in a heartbeat. Hell if he’d have been the second to kneel he’d have been signed. But he was the face of kneeling.

He should have just kicked a woman. Couple game suspensions and a team switch and everyone moves on. Peaceful protest? Can’t be having that shit.

I’m not feeling bad for him he made a decision that ended up costing him his career. But he didn’t do anything criminal and those who did kept work in the league. And the reason is clearly not that teams thought he had no value. 0 chance he doesn’t have a team the year after his kneel because of his play the previous years.

I don’t even like Kaep but I definitely think it’s a bit fucked up that we’d rather watch people who abuse women than kneel during a song because of violence. Apparently we prefer actual violence against a woman to the idea of someone saying we should have less violence against minorities. Of course I’m tuning in every Sunday though…

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Agreed though I think the Mahomes comparison probably isn’t fair. At the time people thought the Chiefs may have given up too much and clearly 9 teams other than the Bears thought he wasn’t worth taking either.

I mean I’m thrilled he’s on my team but I don’t think Mitch should get heat for going ahead of him. If the Bears fucked up so did everyone else and I’m not sure anyone had Mahomes graded ahead of him.

Mahomes had big questions about his decision making and other things. I remember some KC fans being glad we finally drafted a quarterback but mad we didn’t go with someone else.

Well, the Steelers officially suck. They’ll never win again and they might as well move to some small south American town where football means something else.

Unless they win the Super Bowl. In that case, you heard it here first!

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ROFLMFAO at all the hysterical ā€œanalystsā€ that roasted the Daniel Jones pick. I’m sure they’re all going to be saying ā€œwell, it’s just one gameā€¦ā€, TB defense sucks, TB should’ve still won that game blah blah blah.

Imo, one game is enough tell us that the kid has courage under fire, and that the big stage does not scare him. The combine #s already told us that Jones was more athletic and had a stronger arm than Dwayne Haskins, the Ohio State QB who everybody was screaming that the Giants should’ve taken…based on the college results…because you know, playing with a team where half the starting offense are NFL caliber players is irrelevant.

And to be clear, I hope that if Haskins takes over from Keenum, he lives up to his hype, because I’m all in on Terry McLaurin, his ex-teammate who has been kicking butt in the NFL so far. And McLaurin was drafted after his fellow WR Parris Campbell.

Teams that don’t need starting QBs do not draft QBs in the first round, so that is not clear at all. No idea what the number should be.

There are certain throws Jackson simply cannot make because he has a weak arm in terms of zippiness. (49 mph vs. 60 mph for Mahomes/Mayfield; fyi Daniel Jones is @ 54mph)

The defense came to play and they did really well. Then the Steelers offense couldn’t put drives together and the defense gassed out. The offense may as well have stayed home. They got 6 points off of five turnovers. O line, running backs, receivers, play calling and Mason Rudolph all looked uninspired and quite frankly mailing it in.

That minka guy is lights out 100% upgrade over Shaun Davis. 4.5 tackles, 1 interception and 1 forced fumble in his first game. I’ll take it.

0-16 here we come. Maybe Tomlin will get fired, or maybe he’ll sacrifice a few more coordinators.

Tony Dungy just gave Daniel Jones props for creating positive plays after the called plays broke down.

That’s called good decision making; that’s what separates good from bad/average QBs.

Yeah they did. The first 3 quarters were fun to watch in that regard. Then I actually fell asleep.

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