[quote]pat wrote:
The Patriots seem to be playing pretty decent football right now. Brady had an okay game. They were able to eek out a win over the Dolphins to night, despite having a short week. [/quote]
Downplayed that to perfection … and with a decimated O-line (the Pats, not your summary) … I think I saw they had to put a traffic cone at right tackle towards the end of the 4th
[quote]pat wrote:
They were able to eek out a win over the Dolphins to night, [/quote]
I mean, “eek out” isn’t exactly the phrase I would use. It seemed closer than the score indicated, yes, but anytime the human victory cigar (backup QB) takes snaps to run the clock in the 4th, eek out doesn’t seem to fit.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
They were able to eek out a win over the Dolphins to night, [/quote]
I mean, “eek out” isn’t exactly the phrase I would use. It seemed closer than the score indicated, yes, but anytime the human victory cigar (backup QB) takes snaps to run the clock in the 4th, eek out doesn’t seem to fit. [/quote]
Had to be sarcasm Beans.
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
The Patriots seem to be playing pretty decent football right now. Brady had an okay game. They were able to eek out a win over the Dolphins to night, despite having a short week. [/quote]
Downplayed that to perfection … and with a decimated O-line (the Pats, not your summary) … I think I saw they had to put a traffic cone at right tackle towards the end of the 4th[/quote]
Yeah, had Flemming playing RT lol.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]daltron wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Can someone, anyone explain how this proves Beans point? What am I missing here?[/quote]
I don’t have the energy to waste arguing about fuckign sports so, yeah, you win, you’re 100% right.
Not only are the Pats full of undisciplined criminals, the Cowboys are certainly, without question a better team when they promote and hold in high regard a player that thinks assaulting a coach in the middle of the game is both a solid life choice, and quality team building exercise. [/quote]
Lol, dude I cant stop laughing.
Is this really, even remotely a possible argument?
JJ would pick up Charlie Manson if he would get us a few wins. He is a fucking oil tycoon who has no issues with doing whatever it takes.
Hardy is a douchebag woman abuser. That can also rush the QB. In no way shape or form should he EVER be put on any pedestal. He should STFU stay in the back of the pack and just play. [/quote]
Jerry Jones holds a masters degree, IS the Owner, President, and GM of the most valuble team in sports. He was a star running back in high school, and co-capatain of a National Champion team in College, 3 time Superbowl champ, and 2014 NFL executive of the year. On top of being an “oil tycoon” which was actually an oil, gas, and land company[/quote]
Jerry Jones is no doubt a phenomenal business man. However, he must really hate the fact that the NFL implemented a hard salary cap and he can’t buy whatever he wants now. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, since the hard cap was implemented the Cowboys haven’t even been the best team in their division.
I mean, look at their playoff history… And what is their regular season history, a couple games over .500?
So, yes, Jerry Jones is filthy rich. Which affects no one but… Jerry Jones. And his team? Yeah…[/quote]
The NFL does not have a hard salary cap. The 2011 CBA changed that. Also,
Yes, there is a hard cap still. Sigh, going back and forth with you debating small things like cap carryover etc is old before the discussion even starts.
As for your link, making the pro bowl at least once is an indicator of… nothing. Evidenced as by the correlation to your horrible regular season and playoff record. So, so many players make the pro bowl one year and the team doesn’t even resign them in subsequent years to modest salaries.
OH, and it should be noted that your list of Cowboys pro bowl players INCLUDES them making their first pro bowl with ANOTHER team.
But, let’s spend more time talking about the merits of a team that is last in its division and can’t win playoff games nor even win consistently in the regular season (no offense to the rest of the 'boys fans on here).
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Lol, dude must be tough, no one on this board agrees with you and your assessment of anything football related. You have been wrong in almost everything you say but you continue to believe that you are the most knowledgeable NFL fan on here.
Keep up the fight, all of us need a good laugh. [/quote]
I am glad you got a good laugh at my come back. I thought it was pretty funny when I posted it too.
There are only a few people that post in here about football on any regular basis, and them not agreeing with me has absolutely zero affect on me. As a matter of fact if the poster aggv(?) ever agrees with me on something I post, I will quickly give my thought process a self evaluation and try to determine where I made my mistake.
[/quote]
So you are 100% trolling and really just post those opinions to be contrary to people who really know football. [/quote]
Took me wayyyyy too long to figure that out.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
As a matter of fact if the poster aggv(?) ever agrees with me on something I post, I will quickly give my thought process a self evaluation and try to determine where I made my mistake.
[/quote]
So you are 100% trolling and really just post those opinions to be contrary to people who really know football. [/quote]
Took me wayyyyy too long to figure that out.
[/quote]
FYI, i stopped taking his post seriously after stating he’d rather have john football over Russel Wilson. Nobody is that stupid …
[quote]daltron wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]daltron wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Can someone, anyone explain how this proves Beans point? What am I missing here?[/quote]
I don’t have the energy to waste arguing about fuckign sports so, yeah, you win, you’re 100% right.
Not only are the Pats full of undisciplined criminals, the Cowboys are certainly, without question a better team when they promote and hold in high regard a player that thinks assaulting a coach in the middle of the game is both a solid life choice, and quality team building exercise. [/quote]
Lol, dude I cant stop laughing.
Is this really, even remotely a possible argument?
JJ would pick up Charlie Manson if he would get us a few wins. He is a fucking oil tycoon who has no issues with doing whatever it takes.
Hardy is a douchebag woman abuser. That can also rush the QB. In no way shape or form should he EVER be put on any pedestal. He should STFU stay in the back of the pack and just play. [/quote]
Jerry Jones holds a masters degree, IS the Owner, President, and GM of the most valuble team in sports. He was a star running back in high school, and co-capatain of a National Champion team in College, 3 time Superbowl champ, and 2014 NFL executive of the year. On top of being an “oil tycoon” which was actually an oil, gas, and land company[/quote]
Jerry Jones is no doubt a phenomenal business man. However, he must really hate the fact that the NFL implemented a hard salary cap and he can’t buy whatever he wants now. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, since the hard cap was implemented the Cowboys haven’t even been the best team in their division.
I mean, look at their playoff history… And what is their regular season history, a couple games over .500?
So, yes, Jerry Jones is filthy rich. Which affects no one but… Jerry Jones. And his team? Yeah…[/quote]
The NFL does not have a hard salary cap. The 2011 CBA changed that. Also,
Yes, there is a hard cap still. Sigh, going back and forth with you debating small things like cap carryover etc is old before the discussion even starts.
As for your link, making the pro bowl at least once is an indicator of… nothing. Evidenced as by the correlation to your horrible regular season and playoff record. So, so many players make the pro bowl one year and the team doesn’t even resign them in subsequent years to modest salaries.
OH, and it should be noted that your list of Cowboys pro bowl players INCLUDES them making their first pro bowl with ANOTHER team.
But, let’s spend more time talking about the merits of a team that is last in its division and can’t win playoff games nor even win consistently in the regular season (no offense to the rest of the 'boys fans on here).[/quote]
Actually debating on why we have different views on what type of salary cap the NFL has could be an entertaining and learning experience for both of us. But, since I get the feeling that you get a lot of your information that you post in this forum from knowing how to use google. (which by the way, I think is one reason why I think we live in great time. Having access to limitless information by typing on a keyboard or even speaking into a cell phone is awesome) But, I am going to link an article here, it is written by a man that has 25 years as a sports executive. He was the vice president for the Green Bay Packers from 1999-2008. On top of this link that he flat out says the NFL having a hard cap is a myth, he actually calls it a soft cap. And if you were to have the opportunity to ask every sports executive in the NFL not ONE of them would call the NFL a hard cap league.
“One of the great myths about the NFL salary cap is that it is a hard cap. It is not; it is soft”
That’s just in case you refuse to open the link
[quote]
As for your link, making the pro bowl at least once is an indicator of… nothing. Evidenced as by the correlation to your horrible regular season and playoff record. So, so many players make the pro bowl one year and the team doesn’t even resign them in subsequent years to modest salaries.[/quote]
It is not the job of the GM to produce wins. That is the job for the Coaching staff. One job of the GM is to bring in talented players. Making the pro bowl is an indication that players, coaches, and fans think you were one of the better players at your position that year. That is an indication of talent.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]daltron wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]daltron wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Can someone, anyone explain how this proves Beans point? What am I missing here?[/quote]
I don’t have the energy to waste arguing about fuckign sports so, yeah, you win, you’re 100% right.
Not only are the Pats full of undisciplined criminals, the Cowboys are certainly, without question a better team when they promote and hold in high regard a player that thinks assaulting a coach in the middle of the game is both a solid life choice, and quality team building exercise. [/quote]
Lol, dude I cant stop laughing.
Is this really, even remotely a possible argument?
JJ would pick up Charlie Manson if he would get us a few wins. He is a fucking oil tycoon who has no issues with doing whatever it takes.
Hardy is a douchebag woman abuser. That can also rush the QB. In no way shape or form should he EVER be put on any pedestal. He should STFU stay in the back of the pack and just play. [/quote]
Jerry Jones holds a masters degree, IS the Owner, President, and GM of the most valuble team in sports. He was a star running back in high school, and co-capatain of a National Champion team in College, 3 time Superbowl champ, and 2014 NFL executive of the year. On top of being an “oil tycoon” which was actually an oil, gas, and land company[/quote]
Jerry Jones is no doubt a phenomenal business man. However, he must really hate the fact that the NFL implemented a hard salary cap and he can’t buy whatever he wants now. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, since the hard cap was implemented the Cowboys haven’t even been the best team in their division.
I mean, look at their playoff history… And what is their regular season history, a couple games over .500?
So, yes, Jerry Jones is filthy rich. Which affects no one but… Jerry Jones. And his team? Yeah…[/quote]
The NFL does not have a hard salary cap. The 2011 CBA changed that. Also,
Yes, there is a hard cap still. Sigh, going back and forth with you debating small things like cap carryover etc is old before the discussion even starts.
As for your link, making the pro bowl at least once is an indicator of… nothing. Evidenced as by the correlation to your horrible regular season and playoff record. So, so many players make the pro bowl one year and the team doesn’t even resign them in subsequent years to modest salaries.
OH, and it should be noted that your list of Cowboys pro bowl players INCLUDES them making their first pro bowl with ANOTHER team.
But, let’s spend more time talking about the merits of a team that is last in its division and can’t win playoff games nor even win consistently in the regular season (no offense to the rest of the 'boys fans on here).[/quote]
Actually debating on why we have different views on what type of salary cap the NFL has could be an entertaining and learning experience for both of us. But, since I get the feeling that you get a lot of your information that you post in this forum from knowing how to use google. (which by the way, I think is one reason why I think we live in great time. Having access to limitless information by typing on a keyboard or even speaking into a cell phone is awesome) But, I am going to link an article here, it is written by a man that has 25 years as a sports executive. He was the vice president for the Green Bay Packers from 1999-2008. On top of this link that he flat out says the NFL having a hard cap is a myth, he actually calls it a soft cap. And if you were to have the opportunity to ask every sports executive in the NFL not ONE of them would call the NFL a hard cap league.
“One of the great myths about the NFL salary cap is that it is a hard cap. It is not; it is soft”
That’s just in case you refuse to open the link
[/quote]
Just because signing bonuses can be prorated doesn’t mean it’s not a hard cap. Player’s contracts can be allocated quite creatively, however the bottom line is: it has to be accounted somewhere and you can NOT go over the cap.
But, let’s be honest… You like going round and round and round. You haven’t exactly displayed a great understanding of the NFL in this thread. Don’t take my word for it, take what… Everyone else’s word in this thread?
Honestly and in all seriousness, you don’t find it odd at all that no one agrees with you here? You really think you just flat out know more and have a deeper understanding then everyone else in this thread?
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Another job of the GM is to hire coaches to get the job done.
Also, one pro bowl isn’t that great of an achievement and it usually is heavily skewed toward popular players (since somehow someone thought it was a a good idea to give the everyday fan a vote).
Now, let’s talk about something real: the AP All-Pro, the PFWA All-NFL team, etc. Forget the fans, let’s leave some of the most knowledgeable people who cover the game vote.
mbdix, what position did you play?
[quote]doogie wrote:
mbdix, what position did you play?[/quote]
RB, WR, FS, DE, P, KR, PR(rusher and returner) Seven years at QB, why? Extra point holder, slot, TE.
[quote]daltron wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]daltron wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]daltron wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Can someone, anyone explain how this proves Beans point? What am I missing here?[/quote]
I don’t have the energy to waste arguing about fuckign sports so, yeah, you win, you’re 100% right.
Not only are the Pats full of undisciplined criminals, the Cowboys are certainly, without question a better team when they promote and hold in high regard a player that thinks assaulting a coach in the middle of the game is both a solid life choice, and quality team building exercise. [/quote]
Lol, dude I cant stop laughing.
Is this really, even remotely a possible argument?
JJ would pick up Charlie Manson if he would get us a few wins. He is a fucking oil tycoon who has no issues with doing whatever it takes.
Hardy is a douchebag woman abuser. That can also rush the QB. In no way shape or form should he EVER be put on any pedestal. He should STFU stay in the back of the pack and just play. [/quote]
Jerry Jones holds a masters degree, IS the Owner, President, and GM of the most valuble team in sports. He was a star running back in high school, and co-capatain of a National Champion team in College, 3 time Superbowl champ, and 2014 NFL executive of the year. On top of being an “oil tycoon” which was actually an oil, gas, and land company[/quote]
Jerry Jones is no doubt a phenomenal business man. However, he must really hate the fact that the NFL implemented a hard salary cap and he can’t buy whatever he wants now. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, since the hard cap was implemented the Cowboys haven’t even been the best team in their division.
I mean, look at their playoff history… And what is their regular season history, a couple games over .500?
So, yes, Jerry Jones is filthy rich. Which affects no one but… Jerry Jones. And his team? Yeah…[/quote]
The NFL does not have a hard salary cap. The 2011 CBA changed that. Also,
Yes, there is a hard cap still. Sigh, going back and forth with you debating small things like cap carryover etc is old before the discussion even starts.
As for your link, making the pro bowl at least once is an indicator of… nothing. Evidenced as by the correlation to your horrible regular season and playoff record. So, so many players make the pro bowl one year and the team doesn’t even resign them in subsequent years to modest salaries.
OH, and it should be noted that your list of Cowboys pro bowl players INCLUDES them making their first pro bowl with ANOTHER team.
But, let’s spend more time talking about the merits of a team that is last in its division and can’t win playoff games nor even win consistently in the regular season (no offense to the rest of the 'boys fans on here).[/quote]
Actually debating on why we have different views on what type of salary cap the NFL has could be an entertaining and learning experience for both of us. But, since I get the feeling that you get a lot of your information that you post in this forum from knowing how to use google. (which by the way, I think is one reason why I think we live in great time. Having access to limitless information by typing on a keyboard or even speaking into a cell phone is awesome) But, I am going to link an article here, it is written by a man that has 25 years as a sports executive. He was the vice president for the Green Bay Packers from 1999-2008. On top of this link that he flat out says the NFL having a hard cap is a myth, he actually calls it a soft cap. And if you were to have the opportunity to ask every sports executive in the NFL not ONE of them would call the NFL a hard cap league.
“One of the great myths about the NFL salary cap is that it is a hard cap. It is not; it is soft”
That’s just in case you refuse to open the link
[/quote]
Just because signing bonuses can be prorated doesn’t mean it’s not a hard cap. Player’s contracts can be allocated quite creatively, however the bottom line is: it has to be accounted somewhere and you can NOT go over the cap.
[/quote]
If the NFL comes out with a 150 million dollar salary cap, can a team spend more than 150 million on their teams payroll? Yes, teams can spend more than the leagues salary cap limit. The example you posted is one example of how this is done. I am done arguing with you about this only because of your debate style. I could post several links where NFL personal say that the NFL is not a hard cap, just like my previous post.
[quote]
But, let’s be honest… You like going round and round and round. You haven’t exactly displayed a great understanding of the NFL in this thread. Don’t take my word for it, take what… Everyone else’s word in this thread? [/quote]
I have been agreed with in this thread and disagreed with. Neither have any impact on me. [quote]
Honestly and in all seriousness, you don’t find it odd at all that no one agrees with you here? You really think you just flat out know more and have a deeper understanding then everyone else in this thread?[/quote]
People have agreed with me on here.
I do find it odd that people don’t agree with me on here. I find it odd that you keep saying the NFL has a hard cap and I provide you with a link from a NFL executive specifically saying that it isn’t. And, every NFL executive thinks the same. Explain how the NFL has a hard cap.
I can’t say for certain that I know more or have deeper understanding of football than Everyone in this thread. I do think that there are posters that are knowledgeable about the game in this thread.
I believe in the last two pages every person who posted disagreed with you on your Hardy assessment (which started all this). You then tried to redirect the conversation to the Pats (see: red herring fallacy). You then told someone that their wife tastes JJ’s nuts. You then again committed a red herring fallacy and tried to redirect the conversation toward the salary cap.
But hey, you keep posting! We all need a laugh in here.
Caldwell is fired in… 3…2…1…
Do the Lions make a coaching change now or as they do historically wait until the end of the season?
Ravens Vs. Chargers, worst officiating I’ve ever seen. This is absurd.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ravens Vs. Chargers, worst officiating I’ve ever seen. This is absurd.[/quote]
Apparently you didn’t see the end of that Duke vs. Miami game last night.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Ravens Vs. Chargers, worst officiating I’ve ever seen. This is absurd.[/quote]
Apparently you didn’t see the end of that Duke vs. Miami game last night.[/quote]
I actually just saw the highlight, wow…