[quote]mbdix wrote:
Derek542 this is the Drew Brees I was talking about. Pro Bowl in his third season. That is not taking a while to develop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees[/quote]
I agree, Brees was good right out the gate. But Johnny Football aint Brees and if he gets to play will be lucky if he is still in the league in three seasons.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Derek542 this is the Drew Brees I was talking about. Pro Bowl in his third season. That is not taking a while to develop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees[/quote]
I agree, Brees was good right out the gate. But Johnny Football aint Brees and if he gets to play will be lucky if he is still in the league in three seasons. [/quote]
We will just have to wait and see. I think he is a can’t miss.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Derek542 this is the Drew Brees I was talking about. Pro Bowl in his third season. That is not taking a while to develop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees[/quote]
I agree, Brees was good right out the gate. But Johnny Football aint Brees and if he gets to play will be lucky if he is still in the league in three seasons. [/quote]
We will just have to wait and see. I think he is a can’t miss. [/quote]
I think at best he turns into a Reggie Bush type bust. Servicable player but not really what you were hoping for with all the hype and a first round pick. I think more than likely he is injury prone and just never gets his feet under him in the league before washing out.
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Well, of course this is all speculation at this point. But remember seeing Green play in college and I’ve seen this kid too. This kid deserves the praise he gets. Sure, he’s a couple inches short. Big deal. He is big (211 pounds at 6’1") and he can do 2 things: straight up fly and he has got A+ hands and ball skills.[/quote]
I hear you, Watkins sure looks like a “can’t-miss” prospect and that’s something we haven’t seen at the position since 2011.
I was more making the point about AJ still being somewhat underrated. His TD totals are 7-11-11 in his first three years and those stats are without much QB help (ie. obvious contrasts are Demaryius, Jordy etc)
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Fucking Flutie Dude! You’re comparing Manziel to Doug Flutie![/quote]
At this point, it’s a fair enough comparison. Do you not remember how great Flutie was at Boston College? He did win a Heisman, so it’s not like anyone’s comparing Manziel to some garbage player.[/quote]
No it is not. Flutie was a player that almost did not get drafted in the NFL. At a time when no ‘shorter’ qbs would even be considered for a starting job. Flutie could not make all the throws. And was not even close as athletic.
Manziel is going to get drafted in the 1st two rounds. Going into a league that has multiple ‘shorter’ qbs doing well. Manziel can make every throw. And is head and shoulders above Flutie in athleticism. Manziel is going to get an opportunity to start in the NFL. [/quote]
Flutie was the shortest QB ever to make the pro bowl. The Bills fucked that guy after he took them to the playoffs they benched him for the playoff game. I always liked Flutie. That guy had heart.
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Exactly. BUT he still could never take a team on his back.
I wonder what the over under is on the age that Manziel makes it rain like PacMan Jones? [/quote]
Flutie went to the pro bowl around 15 years after coming out of college. The NFL has always favored big, tall qbs. But with the success of Brees, Wilson, and to an extent Vick, teams still want that 6’5" 250 lb qb but will give a player with Manziel’s skill set an opportunity to start and lead a team[/quote]
Brees has taken time and had a great team around him.
Wilson is great kid, but he also had played baseball and older mentality. Plus again had a great team around him.
Vick has NEVER played a full season, never won the big games and due to his size has been broken many, many times.
Teams want the 6’5" 250 QB cause they can withstand the hit of a 300 pound 6’7" DE hitting them at full speed.
Manziel to Dallas will put us back 10 years. We have NO Defense we couldnt stop Austin Westlake. Wilson won cause he had a Defense and he used great ball control with a running game. Dallas is ONLY set up to have a mobile QB with an arm and can take a pounding.
This is not Fantasy Football man, this is the NFL you have to look at the whole team and stop just looking at players. [/quote]
Lol at 10 years back. When the saints gave up the farm for Ricky Williams that didn’t even set them back 10 years! Nonsense
I know this is not Fantasy football dude. We have a good linebacker group, we have good corners. D - line has been addressed some in free agency and with some late round sleepers could get even more help. They will be coached up on the d-line. We need to find a qb somewhere in this draft. And if a top o - lineman falls to us we need to pull the trigger on him.
Brees went to the pro bowl like his second year.
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1999 NFL Draft 1999 NFL Draft - Wikipedia
2009 NFL SB Winners Super Bowl XLIV - Wikipedia
Yes and what also happened to Brees his second and third year? 2 shoulder surgeries from trying to RUN the ball like he did in college.
Dude that is 10 years exactly they were set back by the Ricky Williams bullshit.
Our LB’s who are constantly being hurt because they are being crushed by OL due to the fact our DL sucks more dick than a $2 Taiwan whore.
Our Secondary was what 27th or 28th in pass defense? Yea have total faith in our CB’s.
I dont think you truly appreciate how much our Defense sucked last year and to think a 30 year old DL coming off an ACL repair is going to save the DL you need to rethink this.
Yes by all means waste a draft pick on a QB and OLine cause lord knows we couldnt put up points last year. [/quote]
Dude, they won the Super Bowl that year. The Ricky Williams trade did not set them back 10 years!
2000: Since they traded their first Round pick in the Ricky Williams trade, the Saints had to rebuild through other means. The Saints would sign eight Free Agents off other rosters, and trade for the Green Bay Packers third string Quarterback Aaron Brooks to back up the newly signed Jeff Blake. To lead the new look Saints the club hired former Saints assistant coach & defensive coordinator Jim Haslett as the new head coach. Under Haslett the Saints would get off to a slow 1-3 start, but on October 8th The Saints began to march to a new tune as they won 6 straight. However, injuries threatened the Saints when Quarterback Jeff Blake, and Running Back Ricky Williams were both lost for the season. However, thanks to back up Aaron Brooks the Saints did not miss a beat. On November 26th the Saints would stun the St. Louis Rams with a 31-24 win in St. Louis. In fact the win was the key victory of the season as the Saints finished 10-6 (thanks to a 7-1 record on the road), and won their second division title in franchise history, as Coach Jim Haslett earned NFL Coach of the Year honors. Even though the Saints had won the NFC West, and were the host team for the playoffs not many experts gave them a shot of beating the defending Super Bowl Champion St. Louis Rams despite struggling to make the playoffs as the sixth seed. In fact many experts saw the Rams as prime Super Bowl contenders, and the Saints as pretenders. Not helping the Saints was the fact that they were 0-4 in their four previous trips to the postseason. However, these Saints were different and in a spectacular shoot out the Saints would grab a lead at halftime, and every time the Rams got with in a Field the Saints would surge out to a ten point lead again. However, in the 4th Quarter the Rams looked on the verge of taking a lead after Az-Zhair Hakim returned a punt deep into Saints territory. However, a penalty on the play wiped out the return and the Saints were able to hold on for a 31-28 victory. Even though the Saints would go on to lose in the next round 34-16 to the Vikings in Minnesota. The Saints were finally a postseason winner, and had hope for the future.
2002: Deuce McAllister established himself as one of the top rushers in the NFC as the Saints got off to a strong start winning six of their first seven games. However, as Aaron Brooks sustained several injuries the Saints would begin to struggle as they dropped out of first place in the newly formed NFC South by losing three of their next four games. The Saints seemed to have rebounded on December 1st as they completed the season sweep over the eventual Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers with an impressive 23-20 win in primetime at the Superdome. After beating the Baltimore Ravens a week later the Saints at 9-4 were a win away from the playoffs. However, the Saints would not win another game dropping three straight games to last place teams as they missed the playoffs with a 9-7 record.
2006: With a new Coach Sean Payton, a new Quarterback Drew Brees, and Rookie Running Back Reggie Bush, who was labeled can’t miss the Saints looked forward to their return to New Orleans, as the Louisiana Superdome underwent a $185 Million renovation to fix the damage caused by Hurricane Katrina. Before coming home the Saints started the season on the road with two wins, as Drew Brees showed no ill effects from the shoulder injury he suffered at the end of the previous season with the San Diego Chargers. The home coming on September 25th would become more then just a football game as a pre-game concert featuring U2, Green Day, and the Goo Goo Dolls became New Orleans way of announcing to the world that it was back in business despite many parts of the city still far from recovered from the worst natural disaster in the history of the USA. With a sold out crowd in the Superdome and over 10 million watching at home, the second highest cable telecast in television history began with a bang for the fired up Saints as they scored a Toucdown on a blocked punt just 90 seconds into the game as they cruised to a 23-3 win over the Atlanta Falcons, in a loud dome that’s only moment of silence came during a memorial for Katrina’s Victims. After such an emotional win the Saints had to have a letdown and that would come in the form of a 21-18 loss to the Carolina Panthers on the road. A week later back at the Superdome the Saints found themselves trailing again with less then five minutes to play, when Reggie Bush showed fans just what the hype was all about as he returned a punt 65 yards for a Touchdown to give the Saints a 24-21 win. The following week there were more dramatics at the Superdome, as the Saints improved to 5-1 with a 31-yard Field Goal by John Carney as time expired in a 27-24 win over the Philadelphia Eagles. The Saints would hit a rough stretch losing three of their next four games. However, the team that became the symbol for renewed hope in a devastated city recovered with three impressive wins in a row to put themselves in the driver’s seat for a division title, which they would win with a 10-6 record, earning a first round bye in the process. The Saints incredible season would earn Coach of the Year honors for Sean Payton, as Quarterback Drew finished second in NFL MVP voting with 4,418 yards passing and 26 Touchdowns while only throwing 11 interceptions. Helping Brees lead the Saints offense were two rookies picked on opposite ends of the draft as Reggie Bush, the second overall pick who shared the backfield with Deuce McAllister, had a solid rookie season with 1,297 APY and eight Touchdowns from scrimmage while also returning two punts for Touchdown was joined by Wide Receiver Marques Colston who was selected 252nd out of 255 led the team with 1,038 receiving yards with eight Touchdowns. The playoffs brought a rematch with the Eagles, which for the first 30 minutes was not going the Saints way as the Eagles held a 14-13 lead at halftime, as Reggie Bush had his bell rung early, before scoring a Touchdown in the second quarter. Things would not get much better at the start of the 3rd Quarter as Brian Westbrook extended the lead to 21-13 with a 62-yard Touchdown run. However, the Saints would respond with a Deuce McCallister Touchdown run less then five minutes later. McCallister would strike end at the end of the 3rd Quarter giving the Saints a lead on an 11-yard screen pass from Drew Brees. The Eagles would cut the lead to 27-24 on a David Akers field goal in the 4th Quarter, but the Saints defense would hold the lead the rest of the way as the Saints reached the NFC Championship Game for the first time in franchise history. Facing the Chicago Bears on a snowy day at Solider Field, the Saints dug a deep hole early as mistakes early led the Bears to a 16-0 lead. However, just before halftime the Saints got some momentum as Brees found Colston in the endzone for a 13-yard Touchdown pass. The momentum would carry over into the second half as Brees found Reggie Bush open on a screen pass that the Running Back to down the field for an 88-yard Touchdown catch and run doing a tumble salt into the endzone. After stopping the Bears on a three and out the Saints had a shot to take the lead as Billy Cundiff lined up for a 47-yard Field Goal attempt that feel short. From there the game would be all down hill as the Saints defense stopped the Bears again, but found themselves backed up to their own endzone when the got the ball back, as Brees was called for intentional grounding in the endzone giving the Bears a safety. The Bears would close the game with three unanswered Tocudhwons in the 4th Quarter to advance to Super Bowl XLI with a 39-14 win.
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What the fuck are you smoking?
You wrote “Lol at 10 years back. When the saints gave up the farm for Ricky Williams that didn’t even set them back 10 years! Nonsense”
When clearly they did not WIN a Super bowl until 10 years later.
I’m not even going to read WTF you wrote out cause I could give a shit if they made the playoffs the next year after that fuck up of a trade. They still didnt win a fucking Super Bowl.
I want a Super Bowl win, not a fucking trophy of participation award for best comeback to being mediocre.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I want a Super Bowl win, not a fucking trophy of participation award for best comeback to being mediocre.
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Don’t we all.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I want a Super Bowl win, not a fucking trophy of participation award for best comeback to being mediocre.
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Don’t we all.[/quote]
I dont know.
Seems like some teams and fans just want to be in the news or maybe almost make the playoffs.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I want a Super Bowl win, not a fucking trophy of participation award for best comeback to being mediocre.
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Don’t we all.[/quote]
I dont know.
Seems like some teams and fans just want to be in the news or maybe almost make the playoffs. [/quote]
True. In all fairness, I’m a Pats fan, and these days I’m a very casual fan, but it’s nice knowing you’re just looking for a few missing pieces, rather than looking at the puzzle and realizing entire sections of it are fucked up.
At what point will people get their heads out of their ass and realize that Drew Brees and russel wilson are exceptions when it comes to qb size. I dont understand how people can look at 2 out of god knows how many failures and think that it will work. Makes no sense.
fuck john football, dude is going to get eaten alive.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I want a Super Bowl win, not a fucking trophy of participation award for best comeback to being mediocre.
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Don’t we all.[/quote]
I dont know.
Seems like some teams and fans just want to be in the news or maybe almost make the playoffs. [/quote]
True. In all fairness, I’m a Pats fan, and these days I’m a very casual fan, but it’s nice knowing you’re just looking for a few missing pieces, rather than looking at the puzzle and realizing entire sections of it are fucked up.[/quote]
Since JJ last won the Super Bowl are over all record is .500 we are the epitome of mediocrity. Good or Bad rain or shine we fall to .500, year after year. Doogie and I are excited that we will get our shit together. But it is always just enough to keep us excited.
JJ fucks up and takes that goofy fucking kid from A&M, AGAIN saying it now mark my fucking words we will be set back 10 more fucking years.
On to other things.
What do you think the Pats will do if Brady ever decides to retire? Plus are you getting worried that it has been a few years since won it all?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
What do you think the Pats will do if Brady ever decides to retire? [/quote]
they’ll suck
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
What do you think the Pats will do if Brady ever decides to retire? [/quote]
they’ll suck
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That is a very distinct possibility, but hopefully we have a guy who can step in and start producing like Aaron Rodgers did in Green Bay. I don’t know if Ryan Mallett is that guy, and it looks like he’s getting sent to the Texans anyways. I read somewhere that AJ McCarron might be a good fit, and if Brady has at least a few more years in him that would give him some time to develop into a legitimate starter. Read somewhere else that Belichick is high on Mike Glennon, but whether they would actually go after and acquire him, I have no idea.
I’m really just blowing smoke out my ass here.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Plus are you getting worried that it has been a few years since won it all? [/quote]
Not really. I will hate the fucking Giants for the rest of my life though.
But, bringing in Revis and Browner, get Wilfork and Mayo back, and I don’t care so much if Gronk can play most of the regular season so long as he’s there in the playoffs; on paper it should be a strong team. And like Mr. Barkley said, so long as Brady and Belichick are in town, there’s always a chance. The Pats are an easy team to be a casual fan of.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Fucking Flutie Dude! You’re comparing Manziel to Doug Flutie![/quote]
At this point, it’s a fair enough comparison. Do you not remember how great Flutie was at Boston College? He did win a Heisman, so it’s not like anyone’s comparing Manziel to some garbage player.[/quote]
No it is not. Flutie was a player that almost did not get drafted in the NFL. At a time when no ‘shorter’ qbs would even be considered for a starting job. Flutie could not make all the throws. And was not even close as athletic.
Manziel is going to get drafted in the 1st two rounds. Going into a league that has multiple ‘shorter’ qbs doing well. Manziel can make every throw. And is head and shoulders above Flutie in athleticism. Manziel is going to get an opportunity to start in the NFL. [/quote]
Flutie was the shortest QB ever to make the pro bowl. The Bills fucked that guy after he took them to the playoffs they benched him for the playoff game. I always liked Flutie. That guy had heart.
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Exactly. BUT he still could never take a team on his back.
I wonder what the over under is on the age that Manziel makes it rain like PacMan Jones? [/quote]
Flutie went to the pro bowl around 15 years after coming out of college. The NFL has always favored big, tall qbs. But with the success of Brees, Wilson, and to an extent Vick, teams still want that 6’5" 250 lb qb but will give a player with Manziel’s skill set an opportunity to start and lead a team[/quote]
Brees has taken time and had a great team around him.
Wilson is great kid, but he also had played baseball and older mentality. Plus again had a great team around him.
Vick has NEVER played a full season, never won the big games and due to his size has been broken many, many times.
Teams want the 6’5" 250 QB cause they can withstand the hit of a 300 pound 6’7" DE hitting them at full speed.
Manziel to Dallas will put us back 10 years. We have NO Defense we couldnt stop Austin Westlake. Wilson won cause he had a Defense and he used great ball control with a running game. Dallas is ONLY set up to have a mobile QB with an arm and can take a pounding.
This is not Fantasy Football man, this is the NFL you have to look at the whole team and stop just looking at players. [/quote]
Lol at 10 years back. When the saints gave up the farm for Ricky Williams that didn’t even set them back 10 years! Nonsense
I know this is not Fantasy football dude. We have a good linebacker group, we have good corners. D - line has been addressed some in free agency and with some late round sleepers could get even more help. They will be coached up on the d-line. We need to find a qb somewhere in this draft. And if a top o - lineman falls to us we need to pull the trigger on him.
Brees went to the pro bowl like his second year.
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1999 NFL Draft 1999 NFL Draft - Wikipedia
2009 NFL SB Winners Super Bowl XLIV - Wikipedia
Yes and what also happened to Brees his second and third year? 2 shoulder surgeries from trying to RUN the ball like he did in college.
Dude that is 10 years exactly they were set back by the Ricky Williams bullshit.
Our LB’s who are constantly being hurt because they are being crushed by OL due to the fact our DL sucks more dick than a $2 Taiwan whore.
Our Secondary was what 27th or 28th in pass defense? Yea have total faith in our CB’s.
I dont think you truly appreciate how much our Defense sucked last year and to think a 30 year old DL coming off an ACL repair is going to save the DL you need to rethink this.
Yes by all means waste a draft pick on a QB and OLine cause lord knows we couldnt put up points last year. [/quote]
Dude, they won the Super Bowl that year. The Ricky Williams trade did not set them back 10 years!
2000: Since they traded their first Round pick in the Ricky Williams trade, the Saints had to rebuild through other means. The Saints would sign eight Free Agents off other rosters, and trade for the Green Bay Packers third string Quarterback Aaron Brooks to back up the newly signed Jeff Blake. To lead the new look Saints the club hired former Saints assistant coach & defensive coordinator Jim Haslett as the new head coach. Under Haslett the Saints would get off to a slow 1-3 start, but on October 8th The Saints began to march to a new tune as they won 6 straight. However, injuries threatened the Saints when Quarterback Jeff Blake, and Running Back Ricky Williams were both lost for the season. However, thanks to back up Aaron Brooks the Saints did not miss a beat. On November 26th the Saints would stun the St. Louis Rams with a 31-24 win in St. Louis. In fact the win was the key victory of the season as the Saints finished 10-6 (thanks to a 7-1 record on the road), and won their second division title in franchise history, as Coach Jim Haslett earned NFL Coach of the Year honors. Even though the Saints had won the NFC West, and were the host team for the playoffs not many experts gave them a shot of beating the defending Super Bowl Champion St. Louis Rams despite struggling to make the playoffs as the sixth seed. In fact many experts saw the Rams as prime Super Bowl contenders, and the Saints as pretenders. Not helping the Saints was the fact that they were 0-4 in their four previous trips to the postseason. However, these Saints were different and in a spectacular shoot out the Saints would grab a lead at halftime, and every time the Rams got with in a Field the Saints would surge out to a ten point lead again. However, in the 4th Quarter the Rams looked on the verge of taking a lead after Az-Zhair Hakim returned a punt deep into Saints territory. However, a penalty on the play wiped out the return and the Saints were able to hold on for a 31-28 victory. Even though the Saints would go on to lose in the next round 34-16 to the Vikings in Minnesota. The Saints were finally a postseason winner, and had hope for the future.
2002: Deuce McAllister established himself as one of the top rushers in the NFC as the Saints got off to a strong start winning six of their first seven games. However, as Aaron Brooks sustained several injuries the Saints would begin to struggle as they dropped out of first place in the newly formed NFC South by losing three of their next four games. The Saints seemed to have rebounded on December 1st as they completed the season sweep over the eventual Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers with an impressive 23-20 win in primetime at the Superdome. After beating the Baltimore Ravens a week later the Saints at 9-4 were a win away from the playoffs. However, the Saints would not win another game dropping three straight games to last place teams as they missed the playoffs with a 9-7 record.
2006: With a new Coach Sean Payton, a new Quarterback Drew Brees, and Rookie Running Back Reggie Bush, who was labeled can’t miss the Saints looked forward to their return to New Orleans, as the Louisiana Superdome underwent a $185 Million renovation to fix the damage caused by Hurricane Katrina. Before coming home the Saints started the season on the road with two wins, as Drew Brees showed no ill effects from the shoulder injury he suffered at the end of the previous season with the San Diego Chargers. The home coming on September 25th would become more then just a football game as a pre-game concert featuring U2, Green Day, and the Goo Goo Dolls became New Orleans way of announcing to the world that it was back in business despite many parts of the city still far from recovered from the worst natural disaster in the history of the USA. With a sold out crowd in the Superdome and over 10 million watching at home, the second highest cable telecast in television history began with a bang for the fired up Saints as they scored a Toucdown on a blocked punt just 90 seconds into the game as they cruised to a 23-3 win over the Atlanta Falcons, in a loud dome that’s only moment of silence came during a memorial for Katrina’s Victims. After such an emotional win the Saints had to have a letdown and that would come in the form of a 21-18 loss to the Carolina Panthers on the road. A week later back at the Superdome the Saints found themselves trailing again with less then five minutes to play, when Reggie Bush showed fans just what the hype was all about as he returned a punt 65 yards for a Touchdown to give the Saints a 24-21 win. The following week there were more dramatics at the Superdome, as the Saints improved to 5-1 with a 31-yard Field Goal by John Carney as time expired in a 27-24 win over the Philadelphia Eagles. The Saints would hit a rough stretch losing three of their next four games. However, the team that became the symbol for renewed hope in a devastated city recovered with three impressive wins in a row to put themselves in the driver’s seat for a division title, which they would win with a 10-6 record, earning a first round bye in the process. The Saints incredible season would earn Coach of the Year honors for Sean Payton, as Quarterback Drew finished second in NFL MVP voting with 4,418 yards passing and 26 Touchdowns while only throwing 11 interceptions. Helping Brees lead the Saints offense were two rookies picked on opposite ends of the draft as Reggie Bush, the second overall pick who shared the backfield with Deuce McAllister, had a solid rookie season with 1,297 APY and eight Touchdowns from scrimmage while also returning two punts for Touchdown was joined by Wide Receiver Marques Colston who was selected 252nd out of 255 led the team with 1,038 receiving yards with eight Touchdowns. The playoffs brought a rematch with the Eagles, which for the first 30 minutes was not going the Saints way as the Eagles held a 14-13 lead at halftime, as Reggie Bush had his bell rung early, before scoring a Touchdown in the second quarter. Things would not get much better at the start of the 3rd Quarter as Brian Westbrook extended the lead to 21-13 with a 62-yard Touchdown run. However, the Saints would respond with a Deuce McCallister Touchdown run less then five minutes later. McCallister would strike end at the end of the 3rd Quarter giving the Saints a lead on an 11-yard screen pass from Drew Brees. The Eagles would cut the lead to 27-24 on a David Akers field goal in the 4th Quarter, but the Saints defense would hold the lead the rest of the way as the Saints reached the NFC Championship Game for the first time in franchise history. Facing the Chicago Bears on a snowy day at Solider Field, the Saints dug a deep hole early as mistakes early led the Bears to a 16-0 lead. However, just before halftime the Saints got some momentum as Brees found Colston in the endzone for a 13-yard Touchdown pass. The momentum would carry over into the second half as Brees found Reggie Bush open on a screen pass that the Running Back to down the field for an 88-yard Touchdown catch and run doing a tumble salt into the endzone. After stopping the Bears on a three and out the Saints had a shot to take the lead as Billy Cundiff lined up for a 47-yard Field Goal attempt that feel short. From there the game would be all down hill as the Saints defense stopped the Bears again, but found themselves backed up to their own endzone when the got the ball back, as Brees was called for intentional grounding in the endzone giving the Bears a safety. The Bears would close the game with three unanswered Tocudhwons in the 4th Quarter to advance to Super Bowl XLI with a 39-14 win.
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What the fuck are you smoking?
You wrote “Lol at 10 years back. When the saints gave up the farm for Ricky Williams that didn’t even set them back 10 years! Nonsense”
When clearly they did not WIN a Super bowl until 10 years later.
I’m not even going to read WTF you wrote out cause I could give a shit if they made the playoffs the next year after that fuck up of a trade. They still didnt win a fucking Super Bowl.
I want a Super Bowl win, not a fucking trophy of participation award for best comeback to being mediocre.
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All I was doing is showing you, that you don’t have a clue. The Cowboys haven’t won a Super Bowl since 95. So if that’s all that matters, 10 YEARS BACK FROM WHAT!? NOT WINNING A SUPER BOWL!?
I don’t normally go into the NFL threads. If this is any indication of what you know about football, find a different sport. Drew Brees did not take a long time to start producing in the NFL. The Saints didn’t get put back 10 years after they made the Ricky Williams deal. They almost made it to the Super Bowl a couple years before they won. That’s fine if you don’t read what was posted, because it proves you wrong.
And I want a Super Bowl win also. So you think they should draft D-Lineman all day? What about Dix? Dix makes more of an impact to the Cowboys defense this year than any D-lineman that would be available at 16. The Cowboys are going to be just fine a D-line this year.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Derek542 this is the Drew Brees I was talking about. Pro Bowl in his third season. That is not taking a while to develop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees[/quote]
I agree, Brees was good right out the gate. But Johnny Football aint Brees and if he gets to play will be lucky if he is still in the league in three seasons. [/quote]
We will just have to wait and see. I think he is a can’t miss. [/quote]
I think at best he turns into a Reggie Bush type bust. Servicable player but not really what you were hoping for with all the hype and a first round pick. I think more than likely he is injury prone and just never gets his feet under him in the league before washing out.
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The thing that impressed me most about Manziel this off-season was his pro day. Manziel can make every throw with deadly accuracy. Manziel can throw the ball like Brees, but has that jedi magic like Romo. I do think that in order for Manziel to be successful, he is going to have to accept coaching. Which I think he will.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
Fucking Flutie Dude! You’re comparing Manziel to Doug Flutie![/quote]
At this point, it’s a fair enough comparison. Do you not remember how great Flutie was at Boston College? He did win a Heisman, so it’s not like anyone’s comparing Manziel to some garbage player.[/quote]
No it is not. Flutie was a player that almost did not get drafted in the NFL. At a time when no ‘shorter’ qbs would even be considered for a starting job. Flutie could not make all the throws. And was not even close as athletic.
Manziel is going to get drafted in the 1st two rounds. Going into a league that has multiple ‘shorter’ qbs doing well. Manziel can make every throw. And is head and shoulders above Flutie in athleticism. Manziel is going to get an opportunity to start in the NFL. [/quote]
Flutie was the shortest QB ever to make the pro bowl. The Bills fucked that guy after he took them to the playoffs they benched him for the playoff game. I always liked Flutie. That guy had heart.
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Exactly. BUT he still could never take a team on his back.
I wonder what the over under is on the age that Manziel makes it rain like PacMan Jones? [/quote]
Flutie went to the pro bowl around 15 years after coming out of college. The NFL has always favored big, tall qbs. But with the success of Brees, Wilson, and to an extent Vick, teams still want that 6’5" 250 lb qb but will give a player with Manziel’s skill set an opportunity to start and lead a team[/quote]
Brees has taken time and had a great team around him.
Wilson is great kid, but he also had played baseball and older mentality. Plus again had a great team around him.
Vick has NEVER played a full season, never won the big games and due to his size has been broken many, many times.
Teams want the 6’5" 250 QB cause they can withstand the hit of a 300 pound 6’7" DE hitting them at full speed.
Manziel to Dallas will put us back 10 years. We have NO Defense we couldnt stop Austin Westlake. Wilson won cause he had a Defense and he used great ball control with a running game. Dallas is ONLY set up to have a mobile QB with an arm and can take a pounding.
This is not Fantasy Football man, this is the NFL you have to look at the whole team and stop just looking at players. [/quote]
Lol at 10 years back. When the saints gave up the farm for Ricky Williams that didn’t even set them back 10 years! Nonsense
I know this is not Fantasy football dude. We have a good linebacker group, we have good corners. D - line has been addressed some in free agency and with some late round sleepers could get even more help. They will be coached up on the d-line. We need to find a qb somewhere in this draft. And if a top o - lineman falls to us we need to pull the trigger on him.
Brees went to the pro bowl like his second year.
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Yes and what also happened to Brees his second and third year? 2 shoulder surgeries from trying to RUN the ball like he did in college.
Dude that is 10 years exactly they were set back by the Ricky Williams bullshit.
Our LB’s who are constantly being hurt because they are being crushed by OL due to the fact our DL sucks more dick than a $2 Taiwan whore.
Our Secondary was what 27th or 28th in pass defense? Yea have total faith in our CB’s.
I dont think you truly appreciate how much our Defense sucked last year and to think a 30 year old DL coming off an ACL repair is going to save the DL you need to rethink this.
Yes by all means waste a draft pick on a QB and OLine cause lord knows we couldnt put up points last year. [/quote]
Dude, they won the Super Bowl that year. The Ricky Williams trade did not set them back 10 years!
2000: Since they traded their first Round pick in the Ricky Williams trade, the Saints had to rebuild through other means. The Saints would sign eight Free Agents off other rosters, and trade for the Green Bay Packers third string Quarterback Aaron Brooks to back up the newly signed Jeff Blake. To lead the new look Saints the club hired former Saints assistant coach & defensive coordinator Jim Haslett as the new head coach. Under Haslett the Saints would get off to a slow 1-3 start, but on October 8th The Saints began to march to a new tune as they won 6 straight. However, injuries threatened the Saints when Quarterback Jeff Blake, and Running Back Ricky Williams were both lost for the season. However, thanks to back up Aaron Brooks the Saints did not miss a beat. On November 26th the Saints would stun the St. Louis Rams with a 31-24 win in St. Louis. In fact the win was the key victory of the season as the Saints finished 10-6 (thanks to a 7-1 record on the road), and won their second division title in franchise history, as Coach Jim Haslett earned NFL Coach of the Year honors. Even though the Saints had won the NFC West, and were the host team for the playoffs not many experts gave them a shot of beating the defending Super Bowl Champion St. Louis Rams despite struggling to make the playoffs as the sixth seed. In fact many experts saw the Rams as prime Super Bowl contenders, and the Saints as pretenders. Not helping the Saints was the fact that they were 0-4 in their four previous trips to the postseason. However, these Saints were different and in a spectacular shoot out the Saints would grab a lead at halftime, and every time the Rams got with in a Field the Saints would surge out to a ten point lead again. However, in the 4th Quarter the Rams looked on the verge of taking a lead after Az-Zhair Hakim returned a punt deep into Saints territory. However, a penalty on the play wiped out the return and the Saints were able to hold on for a 31-28 victory. Even though the Saints would go on to lose in the next round 34-16 to the Vikings in Minnesota. The Saints were finally a postseason winner, and had hope for the future.
2002: Deuce McAllister established himself as one of the top rushers in the NFC as the Saints got off to a strong start winning six of their first seven games. However, as Aaron Brooks sustained several injuries the Saints would begin to struggle as they dropped out of first place in the newly formed NFC South by losing three of their next four games. The Saints seemed to have rebounded on December 1st as they completed the season sweep over the eventual Super Bowl Champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers with an impressive 23-20 win in primetime at the Superdome. After beating the Baltimore Ravens a week later the Saints at 9-4 were a win away from the playoffs. However, the Saints would not win another game dropping three straight games to last place teams as they missed the playoffs with a 9-7 record.
2006: With a new Coach Sean Payton, a new Quarterback Drew Brees, and Rookie Running Back Reggie Bush, who was labeled can’t miss the Saints looked forward to their return to New Orleans, as the Louisiana Superdome underwent a $185 Million renovation to fix the damage caused by Hurricane Katrina. Before coming home the Saints started the season on the road with two wins, as Drew Brees showed no ill effects from the shoulder injury he suffered at the end of the previous season with the San Diego Chargers. The home coming on September 25th would become more then just a football game as a pre-game concert featuring U2, Green Day, and the Goo Goo Dolls became New Orleans way of announcing to the world that it was back in business despite many parts of the city still far from recovered from the worst natural disaster in the history of the USA. With a sold out crowd in the Superdome and over 10 million watching at home, the second highest cable telecast in television history began with a bang for the fired up Saints as they scored a Toucdown on a blocked punt just 90 seconds into the game as they cruised to a 23-3 win over the Atlanta Falcons, in a loud dome that’s only moment of silence came during a memorial for Katrina’s Victims. After such an emotional win the Saints had to have a letdown and that would come in the form of a 21-18 loss to the Carolina Panthers on the road. A week later back at the Superdome the Saints found themselves trailing again with less then five minutes to play, when Reggie Bush showed fans just what the hype was all about as he returned a punt 65 yards for a Touchdown to give the Saints a 24-21 win. The following week there were more dramatics at the Superdome, as the Saints improved to 5-1 with a 31-yard Field Goal by John Carney as time expired in a 27-24 win over the Philadelphia Eagles. The Saints would hit a rough stretch losing three of their next four games. However, the team that became the symbol for renewed hope in a devastated city recovered with three impressive wins in a row to put themselves in the driver’s seat for a division title, which they would win with a 10-6 record, earning a first round bye in the process. The Saints incredible season would earn Coach of the Year honors for Sean Payton, as Quarterback Drew finished second in NFL MVP voting with 4,418 yards passing and 26 Touchdowns while only throwing 11 interceptions. Helping Brees lead the Saints offense were two rookies picked on opposite ends of the draft as Reggie Bush, the second overall pick who shared the backfield with Deuce McAllister, had a solid rookie season with 1,297 APY and eight Touchdowns from scrimmage while also returning two punts for Touchdown was joined by Wide Receiver Marques Colston who was selected 252nd out of 255 led the team with 1,038 receiving yards with eight Touchdowns. The playoffs brought a rematch with the Eagles, which for the first 30 minutes was not going the Saints way as the Eagles held a 14-13 lead at halftime, as Reggie Bush had his bell rung early, before scoring a Touchdown in the second quarter. Things would not get much better at the start of the 3rd Quarter as Brian Westbrook extended the lead to 21-13 with a 62-yard Touchdown run. However, the Saints would respond with a Deuce McCallister Touchdown run less then five minutes later. McCallister would strike end at the end of the 3rd Quarter giving the Saints a lead on an 11-yard screen pass from Drew Brees. The Eagles would cut the lead to 27-24 on a David Akers field goal in the 4th Quarter, but the Saints defense would hold the lead the rest of the way as the Saints reached the NFC Championship Game for the first time in franchise history. Facing the Chicago Bears on a snowy day at Solider Field, the Saints dug a deep hole early as mistakes early led the Bears to a 16-0 lead. However, just before halftime the Saints got some momentum as Brees found Colston in the endzone for a 13-yard Touchdown pass. The momentum would carry over into the second half as Brees found Reggie Bush open on a screen pass that the Running Back to down the field for an 88-yard Touchdown catch and run doing a tumble salt into the endzone. After stopping the Bears on a three and out the Saints had a shot to take the lead as Billy Cundiff lined up for a 47-yard Field Goal attempt that feel short. From there the game would be all down hill as the Saints defense stopped the Bears again, but found themselves backed up to their own endzone when the got the ball back, as Brees was called for intentional grounding in the endzone giving the Bears a safety. The Bears would close the game with three unanswered Tocudhwons in the 4th Quarter to advance to Super Bowl XLI with a 39-14 win.
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What the fuck are you smoking?
You wrote “Lol at 10 years back. When the saints gave up the farm for Ricky Williams that didn’t even set them back 10 years! Nonsense”
When clearly they did not WIN a Super bowl until 10 years later.
I’m not even going to read WTF you wrote out cause I could give a shit if they made the playoffs the next year after that fuck up of a trade. They still didnt win a fucking Super Bowl.
I want a Super Bowl win, not a fucking trophy of participation award for best comeback to being mediocre.
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The first sentence is what I wrote, the rest was pasted from the link I attached.
Fuckin quote trees.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
At what point will people get their heads out of their ass and realize that Drew Brees and russel wilson are exceptions when it comes to qb size. I dont understand how people can look at 2 out of god knows how many failures and think that it will work. Makes no sense.
fuck john football, dude is going to get eaten alive. [/quote]
I don’t know why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
And even if Johnny FB is a brillant “playmaker” in the NFL… how many seasons, NO HOW MANY GAMES, is he going to last? The guy looks alot more slight that his listed weight. Seriously looks 190 to me. He is going to get broke in half by a JJ Watt-type running him down.
It’s not like this kid is Jake Matthews whose middle name is ‘durability’ (never missed a game in college due to injury). Look how banged up he was just in 2 years of college!!
C’mon man.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
Fuckin quote trees.[/quote]
x2
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
At what point will people get their heads out of their ass and realize that Drew Brees and russel wilson are exceptions when it comes to qb size. I dont understand how people can look at 2 out of god knows how many failures and think that it will work. Makes no sense.
fuck john football, dude is going to get eaten alive. [/quote]
I don’t know why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
And even if Johnny FB is a brillant “playmaker” in the NFL… how many seasons, NO HOW MANY GAMES, is he going to last? The guy looks alot more slight that his listed weight. Seriously looks 190 to me. He is going to get broke in half by a JJ Watt-type running him down.
It’s not like this kid is Jake Matthews whose middle name is ‘durability’ (never missed a game in college due to injury). Look how banged up he was just in 2 years of college!!
C’mon man.[/quote]
he’ll never start 16 games in a season.
he’ll be mike vick if he’s lucky
dear god, please do not let Ray Farmer pick him