2011 NFL Draft

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Carolina doesnt need another RB so Gore is not an option. What about Vernon Davis? Patrick Willis? They might take that with this years 1st next, years 1st, and a 2 and 3. [/quote]

I don’t know about that. What about Delanie Walker? The best tight end you’ve never heard of. I mean, the guy’s a TE who runs fucking kickoffs back! Plus, I think Gore’s done. I think he’ll be 28 next year, coming off a broken hip, and he hasn’t played a full season since I believe his second season. On top of that, when he is healthy he gets pretty much all the carries, except for some bullshit 3rd and long draw play, so he’s had a big workload already. Trading Gore and some picks for the #1 might be a good way to get rid of a player who I think is done a year early rather than a year late.

How about this year’s 1st and 3rd, next year’s 4th and 5th plus Delanie Walker and a cool 1 million in cash for the #1 overall pick?[/quote]

Well if you and I know Gore’s medical history what do you think Carolina is going to know? Picks are what counts not $. Carolina needs WR more than anything besides QB. How about Crabtree and Davis and next years #1?[/quote]

I don’t think any of these ideas would ever come life, but it would interesting to know if the front offices toss around such proposals.

Reports have stated that it would take at least 3 first round picks for Carolina to give theirs up.

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Carolina doesnt need another RB so Gore is not an option. What about Vernon Davis? Patrick Willis? They might take that with this years 1st next, years 1st, and a 2 and 3. [/quote]

I don’t know about that. What about Delanie Walker? The best tight end you’ve never heard of. I mean, the guy’s a TE who runs fucking kickoffs back! Plus, I think Gore’s done. I think he’ll be 28 next year, coming off a broken hip, and he hasn’t played a full season since I believe his second season. On top of that, when he is healthy he gets pretty much all the carries, except for some bullshit 3rd and long draw play, so he’s had a big workload already. Trading Gore and some picks for the #1 might be a good way to get rid of a player who I think is done a year early rather than a year late.

How about this year’s 1st and 3rd, next year’s 4th and 5th plus Delanie Walker and a cool 1 million in cash for the #1 overall pick?[/quote]

Well if you and I know Gore’s medical history what do you think Carolina is going to know? Picks are what counts not $. Carolina needs WR more than anything besides QB. How about Crabtree and Davis and next years #1?[/quote]

I don’t think any of these ideas would ever come life, but it would interesting to know if the front offices toss around such proposals.

Reports have stated that it would take at least 3 first round picks for Carolina to give theirs up.
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THREE!!! Fuck it. Let Carolina have him. I’m on my way down to Stanford right now to coerce, by way of loaded gun, Luck into saying he won’t sign with any team other than SF, so they may as well not even bother drafting him. Elway-style.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
Carolina doesnt need another RB so Gore is not an option. What about Vernon Davis? Patrick Willis? They might take that with this years 1st next, years 1st, and a 2 and 3. [/quote]

I don’t know about that. What about Delanie Walker? The best tight end you’ve never heard of. I mean, the guy’s a TE who runs fucking kickoffs back! Plus, I think Gore’s done. I think he’ll be 28 next year, coming off a broken hip, and he hasn’t played a full season since I believe his second season. On top of that, when he is healthy he gets pretty much all the carries, except for some bullshit 3rd and long draw play, so he’s had a big workload already. Trading Gore and some picks for the #1 might be a good way to get rid of a player who I think is done a year early rather than a year late.

How about this year’s 1st and 3rd, next year’s 4th and 5th plus Delanie Walker and a cool 1 million in cash for the #1 overall pick?[/quote]

Well if you and I know Gore’s medical history what do you think Carolina is going to know? Picks are what counts not $. Carolina needs WR more than anything besides QB. How about Crabtree and Davis and next years #1?[/quote]

I don’t think any of these ideas would ever come life, but it would interesting to know if the front offices toss around such proposals.

Reports have stated that it would take at least 3 first round picks for Carolina to give theirs up.
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THREE!!! Fuck it. Let Carolina have him. I’m on my way down to Stanford right now to coerce, by way of loaded gun, Luck into saying he won’t sign with any team other than SF, so they may as well not even bother drafting him. Elway-style.[/quote]

I was thinking of Elway/Manning situation. Maybe Luck can hire Daddy Manning as his manager and get this deal done.

Well, it’s official. Luck is staying at Stanford. Now all the Niners have to do is lose every fucking game next year so they can nab him. They should just tank it next year and play someone like Anthony Dixon or Michael Crabtree at QB. Or just not get a QB at all and run the option all year.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Well, it’s official. Luck is staying at Stanford. Now all the Niners have to do is lose every fucking game next year so they can nab him. They should just tank it next year and play someone like Anthony Dixon or Michael Crabtree at QB. Or just not get a QB at all and run the option all year.[/quote]

What the FUCK is he thinking???

There will be a new CBA next season and rookie salary caps are pretty much guaranteed. He’s throwing away 50 million or more to get his fucking degree! What if he is a bust in the NFL? What if he gets hurt next season? What if Harbaugh leaves, Stanford suffers and his draft stock goes way down? He can always go back to school if shit doesn’t work out.

I see absolutely nothing positive coming from this, I wonder who he’s taking advice from.

What if, what if, what if. I say good for him. Not everything is about money. It seem to work out for Bradford even though he got hurt. I’d say he is in a better spot being on the Rams rather than the Lions.

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
What if, what if, what if. I say good for him. Not everything is about money. It seem to work out for Bradford even though he got hurt. I’d say he is in a better spot being on the Rams rather than the Lions.[/quote]

For every Bradford, there’s a Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russel etc etc. How may first round QBs have we seen go bust in the NFL? Too many. Bradford wasn’t facing a new CBA with rookie salary caps either. 78 million with 50 some guaranteed contracts are a thing of the past. All of those guys are set for life even though they didn’t make it in the NFL.

Look at Jake Locker. Decided to stay in school, went from #1/#2 push with Bradford to 4th behind Gabbert, Mallet and Newton. Now he’s probably not a top 10 pick, and some analysts have him falling to the 2nd round. And he only stayed for one year. Same thing happened with Jevan Snead and that Hawaii QB.

There is also very good chance Harbaugh will leave for the NFL and Stanford won’t be as good next season.

He seems like a good guy and I hope it works out for him. But damn he’s going to look stupid as hell if it doesn’t.

“Yeah, I passed up millions and millions of dollars, but atleast I got a college degree!”

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
What if, what if, what if. I say good for him. Not everything is about money. It seem to work out for Bradford even though he got hurt. I’d say he is in a better spot being on the Rams rather than the Lions.[/quote]

For every Bradford, there’s a Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russel etc etc. How may first round QBs have we seen go bust in the NFL? Too many. Bradford wasn’t facing a new CBA with rookie salary caps either. 78 million with 50 some guaranteed contracts are a thing of the past. All of those guys are set for life even though they didn’t make it in the NFL.

Look at Jake Locker. Decided to stay in school, went from #1/#2 push with Bradford to 4th behind Gabbert, Mallet and Newton. Now he’s probably not a top 10 pick, and some analysts have him falling to the 2nd round. And he only stayed for one year. Same thing happened with Jevan Snead and that Hawaii QB.

There is also very good chance Harbaugh will leave for the NFL and Stanford won’t be as good next season.

He seems like a good guy and I hope it works out for him. But damn he’s going to look stupid as hell if it doesn’t.

“Yeah, I passed up millions and millions of dollars, but atleast I got a college degree!”[/quote]

Guys like Russell, Leaf and maybe even Leinart basically have to live off their big signing bonuses from their rookie contract for the rest of their lives now. Russell most likely won’t ever be back in the NFL, Leaf clearly won’t and Leinart’s probably one beer bong away from being out too.

Luck won’t be like that. Nothing is a sure thing, but Luck is probably as close as it gets, barring injury. He’s not really missing out on that much money. He’ll still get the max available as a rookie, which won’t be $50 million, but it won’t exactly be peanuts either. And he’ll keep making a shitload. Plus, he’s not exactly wallowing in poverty as it is; his dad is a former NFL QB and the AD at West Virginia and if Luck does happen to bomb out, he’ll already have a legit degree that will enable him to enter the workforce the second his NFL career is over.

On top of all that, by staying in college for one more year, he probably gets that much better as a player, which will translate into more prolonged success at the NFL level, which in turn translates into more money. Russell and Leaf are just two QBs that come to mind who might have fared better in the NFL if they had spent one more year maturing at the college level. Mark Sanchez is a pretty good QB, but realistically he isn’t quite lighting up the League either (although he’s still light years ahead of Russell, Leaf AND Leinart) and he might have benefited from one more year at USC.

One other thing: Luck staying in college gives him a chance to compete for the national title next year. Stanford is going to be pretty fucking stacked with him at QB again. If he does win the nat’l title with Stanford, or win the Heisman (he’s already the front-runner for next year), his marketability increases big-time, regardless of how his pro career turns out. That nat’l title or the Heisman makes his chances of scoring some huge endorsements as soon as he turns pro much better.

Why the fuck is there so much hype for Andrew Luck. Last time I checked Cam Newton was the best QB in the nation and the Heisman winner.

Cam Newton = Big Ben + Mike Vick?

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
What if, what if, what if. I say good for him. Not everything is about money. It seem to work out for Bradford even though he got hurt. I’d say he is in a better spot being on the Rams rather than the Lions.[/quote]

For every Bradford, there’s a Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russel etc etc. How may first round QBs have we seen go bust in the NFL? Too many. Bradford wasn’t facing a new CBA with rookie salary caps either. 78 million with 50 some guaranteed contracts are a thing of the past. All of those guys are set for life even though they didn’t make it in the NFL.

Look at Jake Locker. Decided to stay in school, went from #1/#2 push with Bradford to 4th behind Gabbert, Mallet and Newton. Now he’s probably not a top 10 pick, and some analysts have him falling to the 2nd round. And he only stayed for one year. Same thing happened with Jevan Snead and that Hawaii QB.

There is also very good chance Harbaugh will leave for the NFL and Stanford won’t be as good next season.

He seems like a good guy and I hope it works out for him. But damn he’s going to look stupid as hell if it doesn’t.

“Yeah, I passed up millions and millions of dollars, but atleast I got a college degree!”[/quote]
You can critisize it all you want. The fact is you will never be or know anybody in a situation like that. It’s only something he can decide himself. I’m sure there are other factors to why he staid that weren’t stated publicly.

I don’t see what the point of naming off those other QBs. Andrew Luck could be a bust, but i don’t think it will matter if he comes out this year or next year to prove that.

[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
What if, what if, what if. I say good for him. Not everything is about money. It seem to work out for Bradford even though he got hurt. I’d say he is in a better spot being on the Rams rather than the Lions.[/quote]

For every Bradford, there’s a Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russel etc etc. How may first round QBs have we seen go bust in the NFL? Too many. Bradford wasn’t facing a new CBA with rookie salary caps either. 78 million with 50 some guaranteed contracts are a thing of the past. All of those guys are set for life even though they didn’t make it in the NFL.

Look at Jake Locker. Decided to stay in school, went from #1/#2 push with Bradford to 4th behind Gabbert, Mallet and Newton. Now he’s probably not a top 10 pick, and some analysts have him falling to the 2nd round. And he only stayed for one year. Same thing happened with Jevan Snead and that Hawaii QB.

There is also very good chance Harbaugh will leave for the NFL and Stanford won’t be as good next season.

He seems like a good guy and I hope it works out for him. But damn he’s going to look stupid as hell if it doesn’t.

“Yeah, I passed up millions and millions of dollars, but atleast I got a college degree!”[/quote]

Listening to some guys last night going home form work, Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwin. There theory on this is that Luck can now step back and get some breathing room. They have come out saying he is coming back, NOW reporters will leave them alone. He would be hounded about every decision that Harbaugh makes and their ties.

Personally I agree that now is the best time for him to come out because of the rookie salary cap. He is a safe bet at going to be a top notch NFL QB. I would not be surprised if he declares before the deadline.

Cam is raw and will need work. Everybody forgets that moving from the spread/shotgun running QB does not translate to instant success in the NFL. I do not know the mental make-up or football IQ of Cam. However I would say that it is probably harder to get into Stanford than Auburn. Also Cam was competing for the starting job right up until the first game this year, always make’s me wonder about there practice ability and pregame preperation.

Issue is that no rookie will get paid without the CBA finished. Luck may be making the smart move by staying another year in that if there is a lockout he gets to play college ball and stay in shape while those who are seniors or those who declared early are going to most likely have to sit out a year and be training at various performance gyms around the country.

^ No way in Hell that there is no NFL next year. The draft will happen and as the #1 pick he can have a contract before he even steps on stage. The NFL could not recover from a year off, the deal will get done. Way to many people will lose money if there is a lockout.

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Mallet’s receivers are dropping way to many balls. Either way, his accuracy looks pretty poor as does his overall performance against a solid college defense.[/quote]

He definitely did not have a good game against OSU but if you take a look at his performance in the SEC as a collective whole he was pretty remarkable. Remember the SEC probably has some of the best defenses as a whole out of any conference so I’d say it’s more of a consistency issue then anything. He choked on the big stage which of course cannot happen for a good NFL QB.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Why the fuck is there so much hype for Andrew Luck. Last time I checked Cam Newton was the best QB in the nation and the Heisman winner.

Cam Newton = Big Ben + Mike Vick?[/quote]

Mark my words: Cam Newton will go the way of Vince Young. He’s the best college football player in college football, bar none. But Luck is the best QB in college and easily the best pro prospect in college at any position.

I wonder about Newton’s work ethic and I wonder about his ability to play in the NFL. He relies on his athletic ability to succeed in college, and it works. But when he gets to the NFL, there’s going to be a lot of guys who are as physically-talented at their positions as he is staring back at him from across the line of scrimmage. At the top level of virtually any profession, including virtually all professional sports, everybody is super-talented. It’s work ethic and drive that separates the good from the great.

I wonder about the work ethic and drive of a guy who was forced out of Florida for cheating 3x, probably bombed out gradewise, and then was (in my opinion) part of his father’s selling of his services to the highest bidder. As good as he is, he should stay in college for another year. He’s really only had one year of success in college, shit, he’s really only played one year in college. He was buried behind Tebow at Florida and I’m not going to count some bullshit JC as part of his NFL preparation. But he isn’t staying, in part because he’s going for the money, but I suspect in part because he doesn’t give a shit about school. He probably won’t attend a single class after the title game next week. I think there are major questions about his work ethic and perhaps even his ability to pick up the nuances of a pro-style offense. We’ll see.

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ No way in Hell that there is no NFL next year. The draft will happen and as the #1 pick he can have a contract before he even steps on stage. The NFL could not recover from a year off, the deal will get done. Way to many people will lose money if there is a lockout. [/quote]

Thought the same thing for MLB in 95 yet it happened. There are too many big ego’s at the table and so much money at stake that both sides may indeed hold strong and lock out. We’ll see after the SB as that’s when most of the work gets done in CBA’s.

[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ No way in Hell that there is no NFL next year. The draft will happen and as the #1 pick he can have a contract before he even steps on stage. The NFL could not recover from a year off, the deal will get done. Way to many people will lose money if there is a lockout. [/quote]

Thought the same thing for MLB in 95 yet it happened. There are too many big ego’s at the table and so much money at stake that both sides may indeed hold strong and lock out. We’ll see after the SB as that’s when most of the work gets done in CBA’s.[/quote]

That is exactly why it will not happen, #1 its not 1995, the influence of TV, Internet etc has tripled since 1995 #2 there is already examples of what happens to a league after a lockout. If both sides hold strong then both lose out of major money. Smarter heads will prevail, because the NFL does not want to end up like the MLB or NHL.

Do I want the 49ers to tank all next season in order to secure the top pick?

Also, it’s interesting to think that there really isn’t a consensus #1 QB in the draft now. Mallet, Newton, and Gabbert are all ranked tops in a couple different circles. It will be interesting to see which one benefits the most from Luck’s decision.

Well WC with a new coach he could flip the team and really tank next year so could happen. BUT the NFC west is so weak you could have another year like this year.

[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:

[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Mallet’s receivers are dropping way to many balls. Either way, his accuracy looks pretty poor as does his overall performance against a solid college defense.[/quote]

He definitely did not have a good game against OSU but if you take a look at his performance in the SEC as a collective whole he was pretty remarkable. Remember the SEC probably has some of the best defenses as a whole out of any conference so I’d say it’s more of a consistency issue then anything. He choked on the big stage which of course cannot happen for a good NFL QB.[/quote]

The SEC is still probably the best conference in football, but they’ve definitely slipped this year. They’re 3-4 in bowl games so far and two of those wins were against Michigan and Michigan State, a dogshit team and maybe the most overrated team in the top 25.

I don’t think Mallett will be horrible in the NFL by any means, but success in the SEC hardly guarantees any level of success at all in the NFL. I firmly believe that accuracy and the ability to get the ball out quickly (not a necessarily a quick release but quick decision-making and good timing) are the two most important attributes as an NFL QB. As long as a QBs arm strength is avg or better and he has these attributes, I think he can be very, very good. But Mallett hasn’t impressed me with his accuracy in the few games of his I’ve watched and some of his decision-making has looked poor as well, ESPECIALLY that pick he threw at the end of the OSU game. That was straight up boneheaded. He forced it into tight coverage with plenty of time left on the clock and if I remember correctly, it was only 2nd down.

Gone are the days of the big, rocket-armed passer who likes to stand in the middle of the pocket and fire bombs downfield all day. If you can do that, great. But you better be able to throw well in the face of a blitz, which means good pre- and post-snap decision-making, accuracy and timing.

Look at a guy like Aaron Rodgers. I think his QB rating is between 95 and 102 when blitzed. That’s fucking incredible! It shows poise under pressure, the ability to get rid of it quickly and accuracy. It also shows smarts because he always knows where the hole in the defense left by the blitzer is. But he dropped in the draft because he didn’t have the cannon arm, he wasn’t a pure pocket passer and he didn’t have that 6’4" 240 size.