[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
WF do you have a favourite team? Houston Rockets?[/quote]
Lol why would you even ask that question? Where were you last year and this regular season. WF is a Laker boy as long as Kobe Bryant is affiliated with them.[/quote]
I was expecting him to say Houston and LAL.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Saw that Nowitzki is 53-55 on ft’s for this series. That’s crazy.[/quote]
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He bumped that up to 59-61 after last nights game. That’s got to be a record, no?
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Record of what sort? Most free throws made out of 60 attempts? I don’t think they keep any sort of record like that, I think there’s just a most free throws made in a row and FT% records kept.
Michael Williams in the 80’s made 93 in a row. Caron Butler had 73 in a row at one point.
Jose Calderon has the best FT% of all time in a single season at .981%
[quote]Odogg wrote:
… Especially when Miami is going to their money lineup of LBJ,Wade,Miller,Haslem,Bosh. [/quote]
I don’t even like this lineup for a couple reasons:
You need a point guard in there. When they go with this lineup, it turns into James or Wade bringing the ball up and then playing one on one. Their offense is stagnant with this lineup and it actually makes it easier for the Mavs to defend especially if they go zone.
Mike Miller sucks. The last game was the only good game he’s had in the playoffs and he’s sucked all season. I hope he keeps shooting like last game but I’m really skeptical about it. He’s probably rusty from riding the bench, but I’d say James Jones is a better spot up shooter against the zone than Miller.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Saw that Nowitzki is 53-55 on ft’s for this series. That’s crazy.[/quote]
X2[/quote]
He bumped that up to 59-61 after last nights game. That’s got to be a record, no?
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Record of what sort? Most free throws made out of 60 attempts? I don’t think they keep any sort of record like that, I think there’s just a most free throws made in a row and FT% records kept.
Michael Williams in the 80’s made 93 in a row. Caron Butler had 73 in a row at one point.
Jose Calderon has the best FT% of all time in a single season at .981%[/quote]
FT% in a playoff series.
Edit: And he did set a record during that run:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Odogg wrote:
… Especially when Miami is going to their money lineup of LBJ,Wade,Miller,Haslem,Bosh. [/quote]
I don’t even like this lineup for a couple reasons:
You need a point guard in there. When they go with this lineup, it turns into James or Wade bringing the ball up and then playing one on one. Their offense is stagnant with this lineup and it actually makes it easier for the Mavs to defend especially if they go zone.
Mike Miller sucks. The last game was the only good game he’s had in the playoffs and he’s sucked all season. I hope he keeps shooting like last game but I’m really skeptical about it. He’s probably rusty from riding the bench, but I’d say James Jones is a better spot up shooter against the zone than Miller.
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I agree Miller has been pretty bad this year, in his defense have you seen his thumbs? both his thumbs have casts on them, the announcer alluded to it saying he has two broken thumbs but that can’t be right. If he can pick up his shooting he would be a huge asset in the finals.
also 2011 NBA Playoffs: Mike Miller of Miami Heat travels to Chicago with daughter in thoughts feel bad for the dude.
[quote]red04 wrote:
The Mavs have needed OKC to choke every bitch as much to get their wins as the Heat have. I’d go slight advantage Heat because even if the Mavs defense is actually ‘pretty good’ it’s not the Bulls defense. Their rebounding isn’t as good as the Bulls either. Those 2 things combined and the Heat are still putting up decent offense in this series, I think they gain more than they ‘lose’ by facing a team with more offensive options(they’re not even playing the Bulls as if their players aren’t offensively viable anyways… they’re respecting Korver and Deng as shooters, they just aren’t shooting great in the series).[/quote]
I’ma play devil’s advocate here. For one thing, OKC’s “choking” has a lot to do with DAL’s crunch time D. For another, DAL has now won 3 straight series convincingly and each time the narrative has been about how the other team blew it. Maybe DAL is just that good.
DAL’s offense is also just flat out better than CHI’s. Ball movement is extremely good, which might be tough for the Heat who like to cheat and jump passing lanes (The Dwyane Wade special). And who is going to guard Nowitzki? Anthony and Haslem are too short, and Bosh is too Bosh.
What would worry me most from DAL’s point of view is having to put Terry on Wade WHILE having Peja on LBJ… oy vey. But they play some great team D and Chandler can afford to help off Anthony to protect the rim.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Odogg wrote:
… Especially when Miami is going to their money lineup of LBJ,Wade,Miller,Haslem,Bosh. [/quote]
I don’t even like this lineup for a couple reasons:
You need a point guard in there. When they go with this lineup, it turns into James or Wade bringing the ball up and then playing one on one. Their offense is stagnant with this lineup and it actually makes it easier for the Mavs to defend especially if they go zone.
Mike Miller sucks. The last game was the only good game he’s had in the playoffs and he’s sucked all season. I hope he keeps shooting like last game but I’m really skeptical about it. He’s probably rusty from riding the bench, but I’d say James Jones is a better spot up shooter against the zone than Miller.
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All the PG does is bring the ball up, then pass to Wade or LBJ up top, so it’s not really different.
I love that the expectation for Miller was so low that him scoring 13pts (or whatever it was) was cause for a giant uproar.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
Do people not credit Miami because of their hatred for them?
It’s great reading all these arguments on different forums about what would happen if Miami plays Dallas. But it’s hard not to sense the hatred for Lebron in these comments.
I’m a Golden State Warriors fan (sad, I know) but would like to see Kidd or Wade win the title. I’m taking Miami in 6 because of home court advantage, 3 of the top 4 players on the floor, resurgence of Miller and Haslem to finally give Miami a bench, Bron becoming more of a point guard or facilitator (many on ESPN have said he can be the best point guard in the league if he wanted to be), and their athleticism to swarm Dallas.
Dirk is much better than Bosh, but Bosh will force Dirk to expend some energy on defending him. Because Bosh has pretty good range, having Chandler defend him would take away his shotblocking for Dallas. And Chandler is a very good interior defender.
I’m taking Dallas tonight and Chicago Thursday.
Miami will finish them on Saturday.[/quote]
Interesting analysis. I think the ultimate factor though is going to be the converse of what you just said; how will Bosh (and co.) contain Nowitzki. The entire discussion starts there imo, because out of everyone these playoffs Dirk has played the best basketball. If he starts getting hot the Heat can forget it. Dirk is so different from the other “superstars” out there because when he gets hot it seems the Mav’s offense gets more fluid and organised. It’s unlike other superstar players and their respective teams where in the scenario the superstar starts scoring all the points the other players start getting cold. To call a player of Dirk’s talent unselfish is really saying something, and it’s true, he could be going 15-17 but he’ll still give it up for his team mates to shoot if they’re more open.
The Mavs will take it if Bosh starts scoring on Nowitzki because chances are there will be be more damage on the other end by you know who. I think the Mavs would actually like Miami to run its offense through Bosh if possible. You just have to look at the tight games this Miami-Chicago series and the game Miami lost to see how this is advantageous to Dallas. In those games Bosh was Miami’s leading scorer (or at least up there).
Like I said before it is going to be an intense Finals. You have to think it will go 7 games. LeBron James vs. Dirk Nowitzki, you have Jason Kidd, Chris Bosh, Shawn Marion, Mike Bibby, Peja Stojakovic, Tyson Chandler. All these guys have faced challenges and heart-breaks in their careers so far chasing that elusive trophy. It’s all going to be put on the line come Finals commencement.[/quote]
The Bulls aren’t done yet! Comeback!!!
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
The Mavs have needed OKC to choke every bitch as much to get their wins as the Heat have. I’d go slight advantage Heat because even if the Mavs defense is actually ‘pretty good’ it’s not the Bulls defense. Their rebounding isn’t as good as the Bulls either. Those 2 things combined and the Heat are still putting up decent offense in this series, I think they gain more than they ‘lose’ by facing a team with more offensive options(they’re not even playing the Bulls as if their players aren’t offensively viable anyways… they’re respecting Korver and Deng as shooters, they just aren’t shooting great in the series).[/quote]
I’ma play devil’s advocate here. For one thing, OKC’s “choking” has a lot to do with DAL’s crunch time D. For another, DAL has now won 3 straight series convincingly and each time the narrative has been about how the other team blew it. Maybe DAL is just that good.
DAL’s offense is also just flat out better than CHI’s. Ball movement is extremely good, which might be tough for the Heat who like to cheat and jump passing lanes (The Dwyane Wade special). And who is going to guard Nowitzki? Anthony and Haslem are too short, and Bosh is too Bosh.
What would worry me most from DAL’s point of view is having to put Terry on Wade WHILE having Peja on LBJ… oy vey. But they play some great team D and Chandler can afford to help off Anthony to protect the rim.[/quote]
“IF” Miami get to the Finals (I can’t jinx the team I have big money on) who’s going to guard Bron.
No one person is going to guard Dirk or Bron, and Miami plays great team D also. If Chandler has to come out, that leaves the rim wide open for Wade and Bosh.
IF Miami doesn’t make it, I’m hoping the Bay Area’s Jason Kidd gets a title. I’m sure all the Golden State Warrior fans who cheer him when he comes to town will.
Living in Dallas for the past decade I have seen this team more than any other. Do they play great team ball? Absolutely. Is there a mental toughness to this team in particular than in the past? Yes! BUT (You know that was coming) they have a huge flaw that could be fatal in the finals. Their 3 best playmakers (Dirk,Jet and Barrea) are their three worst defenders which means they always are giving up something depending on the personnel on the floor.
They go zone to try and hide that but a team like the Heat have the shooters to exploit it, not to mention the slashers to get to the rim. I don’t know if you noticed last night but Terry made Harden look like a prime Ginoboli and Collison had a ton of offensive rebounds this series because Dirk doesn’t box out consistently.
There will be no Westbrook or a Maynor (lol) making crunch time decisions, it will be LBJ doing a pick and roll with whoever Dirk is guarding (say either Bosh or Haslem) and forcing him to move his feet and defend. On offense the Mavs will get their shots but they better go down because the Mavs transition defense is awful.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
DAL has now won 3 straight series convincingly and each time the narrative has been about how the other team blew it. Maybe DAL is just that good.
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Good point
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
The Mavs have needed OKC to choke every bitch as much to get their wins as the Heat have. I’d go slight advantage Heat because even if the Mavs defense is actually ‘pretty good’ it’s not the Bulls defense. Their rebounding isn’t as good as the Bulls either. Those 2 things combined and the Heat are still putting up decent offense in this series, I think they gain more than they ‘lose’ by facing a team with more offensive options(they’re not even playing the Bulls as if their players aren’t offensively viable anyways… they’re respecting Korver and Deng as shooters, they just aren’t shooting great in the series).[/quote]
I’ma play devil’s advocate here. For one thing, OKC’s “choking” has a lot to do with DAL’s crunch time D. For another, DAL has now won 3 straight series convincingly and each time the narrative has been about how the other team blew it. Maybe DAL is just that good.
DAL’s offense is also just flat out better than CHI’s. Ball movement is extremely good, which might be tough for the Heat who like to cheat and jump passing lanes (The Dwyane Wade special). And who is going to guard Nowitzki? Anthony and Haslem are too short, and Bosh is too Bosh.
What would worry me most from DAL’s point of view is having to put Terry on Wade WHILE having Peja on LBJ… oy vey. But they play some great team D and Chandler can afford to help off Anthony to protect the rim.[/quote]
“IF” Miami get to the Finals (I can’t jinx the team I have big money on) who’s going to guard Bron.
No one person is going to guard Dirk or Bron, and Miami plays great team D also. If Chandler has to come out, that leaves the rim wide open for Wade and Bosh.
IF Miami doesn’t make it, I’m hoping the Bay Area’s Jason Kidd gets a title. I’m sure all the Golden State Warrior fans who cheer him when he comes to town will.
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First off, I’m not saying DAL will necessarily win, I’m just giving the other side of the argument for the sake of balance.
That being said, going into the WCF I didn’t see how DAL could possibly guard KD and Westbrook, yet they did. Are we totally sure Kidd can’t guard Wade? I know that sounds INSANE but let’s look at the facts - neither RW nor Kobe could convincingly win that matchup.
If the Mavs keep shooting the ball like they have throughout the playoffs they are going to beat either of the teams in the east.
Their ball movement is great and they hit open shots consistently (a feat that seems difficult for most teams for some reason)
[quote]scj119 wrote:
All the PG does is bring the ball up, then pass to Wade or LBJ up top, so it’s not really different.
I love that the expectation for Miller was so low that him scoring 13pts (or whatever it was) was cause for a giant uproar.[/quote]
In theory, that’s true. But watch the way the offense runs when Bibby or Chalmers bring up the ball vs. Lebron. It actually does look different. And lately when Wade has seen pressure bringing it up, it’s even worse. He either loses control for a few dribbles or he straight up turns it over.
Exactly. I and I did know both of his thumbs are hurt. But that really doesn’t make a difference in the outcome of the game. Sucking is sucking.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]fnf wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
The Mavs have needed OKC to choke every bitch as much to get their wins as the Heat have. I’d go slight advantage Heat because even if the Mavs defense is actually ‘pretty good’ it’s not the Bulls defense. Their rebounding isn’t as good as the Bulls either. Those 2 things combined and the Heat are still putting up decent offense in this series, I think they gain more than they ‘lose’ by facing a team with more offensive options(they’re not even playing the Bulls as if their players aren’t offensively viable anyways… they’re respecting Korver and Deng as shooters, they just aren’t shooting great in the series).[/quote]
I’ma play devil’s advocate here. For one thing, OKC’s “choking” has a lot to do with DAL’s crunch time D. For another, DAL has now won 3 straight series convincingly and each time the narrative has been about how the other team blew it. Maybe DAL is just that good.
DAL’s offense is also just flat out better than CHI’s. Ball movement is extremely good, which might be tough for the Heat who like to cheat and jump passing lanes (The Dwyane Wade special). And who is going to guard Nowitzki? Anthony and Haslem are too short, and Bosh is too Bosh.
What would worry me most from DAL’s point of view is having to put Terry on Wade WHILE having Peja on LBJ… oy vey. But they play some great team D and Chandler can afford to help off Anthony to protect the rim.[/quote]
“IF” Miami get to the Finals (I can’t jinx the team I have big money on) who’s going to guard Bron.
No one person is going to guard Dirk or Bron, and Miami plays great team D also. If Chandler has to come out, that leaves the rim wide open for Wade and Bosh.
IF Miami doesn’t make it, I’m hoping the Bay Area’s Jason Kidd gets a title. I’m sure all the Golden State Warrior fans who cheer him when he comes to town will.
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First off, I’m not saying DAL will necessarily win, I’m just giving the other side of the argument for the sake of balance.
That being said, going into the WCF I didn’t see how DAL could possibly guard KD and Westbrook, yet they did. Are we totally sure Kidd can’t guard Wade? I know that sounds INSANE but let’s look at the facts - neither RW nor Kobe could convincingly win that matchup.
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Actually I thought they could guard Westbrook more cuz he didn’t know if he was a point guard or a shooting guard. I thought Harden would give them more problems cuz he knows his role.
It’ll be fun watching Dallas in the Finals against Miami or Chicago.
I wonder if Cuban will keep his mouth relatively quiet or start to run it again?
article on ESPN today about Jason Terry and that tattoo he got before the season started…
he got the Larry O’Brien trophy tatted on the inside of his bicep! hahaha and now they actually made it to the finals. thats crazy
pic for reference
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]red04 wrote:
The Mavs have needed OKC to choke every bitch as much to get their wins as the Heat have. I’d go slight advantage Heat because even if the Mavs defense is actually ‘pretty good’ it’s not the Bulls defense. Their rebounding isn’t as good as the Bulls either. Those 2 things combined and the Heat are still putting up decent offense in this series, I think they gain more than they ‘lose’ by facing a team with more offensive options(they’re not even playing the Bulls as if their players aren’t offensively viable anyways… they’re respecting Korver and Deng as shooters, they just aren’t shooting great in the series).[/quote]
I’ma play devil’s advocate here. For one thing, OKC’s “choking” has a lot to do with DAL’s crunch time D. For another, DAL has now won 3 straight series convincingly and each time the narrative has been about how the other team blew it. Maybe DAL is just that good.
DAL’s offense is also just flat out better than CHI’s. Ball movement is extremely good, which might be tough for the Heat who like to cheat and jump passing lanes (The Dwyane Wade special). And who is going to guard Nowitzki? Anthony and Haslem are too short, and Bosh is too Bosh.
What would worry me most from DAL’s point of view is having to put Terry on Wade WHILE having Peja on LBJ… oy vey. But they play some great team D and Chandler can afford to help off Anthony to protect the rim.[/quote]
I was only playing Devil’s Advocate to all the ‘Miami is only winning because Chicago is choking’ going around with my initial statement. I’m fairly sure when you win 3(4 for Dallas) games in a series in the same fashion, it’s not always ‘the other team choked’ even if it involved the team giving up a lead or missing a winning shot to end regulation(turns out that shit happens ALL THE TIME or we’d never have OT games…).
Not that this has anything to do with anything, but I’ve read that Terry is pretty strong in the weightroom, eespecially considering he’s a basketball player who’s fairly light stretched out over 6’3"+ with really long arms.
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]johnman18 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Saw that Nowitzki is 53-55 on ft’s for this series. That’s crazy.[/quote]
X2[/quote]
He bumped that up to 59-61 after last nights game. That’s got to be a record, no?
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Record of what sort? Most free throws made out of 60 attempts? I don’t think they keep any sort of record like that, I think there’s just a most free throws made in a row and FT% records kept.
Michael Williams in the 80’s made 93 in a row. Caron Butler had 73 in a row at one point.
Jose Calderon has the best FT% of all time in a single season at .981%[/quote]
FT% in a playoff series.
Edit: And he did set a record during that run:
Raj, I’m almost positive you meant Michael Adams, not Williams. How many ft’s did Calderon take that year? I can’t shoot 98% in an open gym with no one around. That’s nuts.