2009 NBA Playoffs

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Kobe Bryant is still the best player on the planet, even James himself would agree with that, and that right there is why he’ll always be second. And I’m not sure how you can say that James has more talent than Jordan. Jordan is the GOAT, Lebron’s what would happen if Karl Malone and Clyde Drexler had a baby. Not a big fan of LBJ, but I do recognize his talent. With that, there’s no way he wins a title without “the man” paving his way for him. [/quote]

Yeah I agree Jordan is the GOAT, but it was the intangibles that make him better than LBJ (mind, heart, competitive drive, making everyone else around him better, leadership, etc), for now at least. LeBron’s physical stature, and the way he moves for his size, is why I say he has more TALENT than Jordan, but not a better player and leader, and probably never will be.

I think LeBron follows the same path as Shaq in terms of titles: loses the first one because of youth (vs SAS) then wins at least 3 in his career.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
Xeneize wrote:
Kaizen08 wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

I also could not agree more with the assessment of LeBron. Not to take anything away from him. Within a couple of years at the most, he will undoubtedly be the best player in the league. What is unfortunate, though, is the media treatment that Kobe receives. It seems he’s in a no-win situation, like y’all have pointed out. Score 60? Ball hog. Score 10? Well, he’s no LeBron.

Kobe is the most complete player in the league. His skill set is unmatched. He can score from anywhere on the court and unlike LeBron, his midrange jump shot is as good as they come.

Yeah I agree with LBJ being the best and Kobe getting the cold shoulder at times. I will say that LBJ is the best player in the league, no question (with Kobe a close second), and I honestly think that LeBron has more talent than Jordan, but there are two things he is lacking for now: heart and mind. I find LeBron to be a punk, arrogant, and full of himself. For example, in all of his commercials/endorsements, they are direct praise of LeBron in one form or another (people saying he’s the king, he’s a great lawyer, State Farm/Cleveland Browns commercial, etc), whereas other athletes, they are the showpiece of the greater good of a commercial.

I’m not taking anything away from his physical ability, but mentally, he has some catching up to do. Once he learns to master the mind game, he’ll be good (he already has the refs in his back pocket).

It took MJ seven years to win his first title, and this is LeBron’s sixth season. He has definitely learned from the NBA Finals defeat of two years ago, and instead of getting swept, the Cavs are sweeping up instead.

Feel free to chastise me of my comments about LeBron. He’s a great player, but I’m not a huge fan of him.

Kobe Bryant is still the best player on the planet, even James himself would agree with that, and that right there is why he’ll always be second. And I’m not sure how you can say that James has more talent than Jordan. Jordan is the GOAT, Lebron’s what would happen if Karl Malone and Clyde Drexler had a baby. Not a big fan of LBJ, but I do recognize his talent. With that, there’s no way he wins a title without “the man” paving his way for him. [/quote]

He’s clearly the only superstar ever to get some ref treatment… oh wait except every big name slasher in the history of the league gets it, oops. Note that I’m not denying he gets the calls, but so do other players, and they aren’t 8-0 in the playoffs, so you can’t sit there and say it’s just “the man paving his way.” The same shit happens every year in the playoffs, someone gets to the rim more than everyone else and the refs give them credit by blowing the whistle. D-Wade got it, Tony Parker, Kobe, Chauncey, MJ back in his time, I’m sure the list goes on to before my time of being an NBA fan.

Sure there may be some bias being from Cleveland in the middle of the playoff run, but you people are talking like LBJ is some barely top tier player getting carried by the refs. Please. Cleveland is winning with stellar fucking defense and high % shotmaking on the offensive end, maybe some whistle blowing is the difference between them being 7-1 and 8-0, huge deal obviously.

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They’re also winning against scrub teams from the East. I’d reserve judgement on how well they are playing until they meet up with the Magic or Celtics. If they can continue to win 10 point games and close out the ECF in 5 or 6, they’ll have practically earned the chip right there.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
Xeneize wrote:
Kaizen08 wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

I also could not agree more with the assessment of LeBron. Not to take anything away from him. Within a couple of years at the most, he will undoubtedly be the best player in the league. What is unfortunate, though, is the media treatment that Kobe receives. It seems he’s in a no-win situation, like y’all have pointed out. Score 60? Ball hog. Score 10? Well, he’s no LeBron.

Kobe is the most complete player in the league. His skill set is unmatched. He can score from anywhere on the court and unlike LeBron, his midrange jump shot is as good as they come.

Yeah I agree with LBJ being the best and Kobe getting the cold shoulder at times. I will say that LBJ is the best player in the league, no question (with Kobe a close second), and I honestly think that LeBron has more talent than Jordan, but there are two things he is lacking for now: heart and mind. I find LeBron to be a punk, arrogant, and full of himself. For example, in all of his commercials/endorsements, they are direct praise of LeBron in one form or another (people saying he’s the king, he’s a great lawyer, State Farm/Cleveland Browns commercial, etc), whereas other athletes, they are the showpiece of the greater good of a commercial.

I’m not taking anything away from his physical ability, but mentally, he has some catching up to do. Once he learns to master the mind game, he’ll be good (he already has the refs in his back pocket).

It took MJ seven years to win his first title, and this is LeBron’s sixth season. He has definitely learned from the NBA Finals defeat of two years ago, and instead of getting swept, the Cavs are sweeping up instead.

Feel free to chastise me of my comments about LeBron. He’s a great player, but I’m not a huge fan of him.

Kobe Bryant is still the best player on the planet, even James himself would agree with that, and that right there is why he’ll always be second. And I’m not sure how you can say that James has more talent than Jordan. Jordan is the GOAT, Lebron’s what would happen if Karl Malone and Clyde Drexler had a baby. Not a big fan of LBJ, but I do recognize his talent. With that, there’s no way he wins a title without “the man” paving his way for him.

He’s clearly the only superstar ever to get some ref treatment… oh wait except every big name slasher in the history of the league gets it, oops. Note that I’m not denying he gets the calls, but so do other players, and they aren’t 8-0 in the playoffs, so you can’t sit there and say it’s just “the man paving his way.” The same shit happens every year in the playoffs, someone gets to the rim more than everyone else and the refs give them credit by blowing the whistle. D-Wade got it, Tony Parker, Kobe, Chauncey, MJ back in his time, I’m sure the list goes on to before my time of being an NBA fan.

Sure there may be some bias being from Cleveland in the middle of the playoff run, but you people are talking like LBJ is some barely top tier player getting carried by the refs. Please. Cleveland is winning with stellar fucking defense and high % shotmaking on the offensive end, maybe some whistle blowing is the difference between them being 7-1 and 8-0, huge deal obviously.[/quote]

T, you’re killin’ me! Jordan has the most athletic quickness of anyone in NBA history. He’s the best post playing guard of all time, raided the baseline like it was his birth right and went chest-to-chest with whoever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and won. LBJ for all of his size and strength does none of those. Yea he gets alot of dunks, but has anyone ever seen him go chest-to-chest with anyone in the air?

Red, not only can I say it, I am saying it. Kobe Bryant gets next to no calls. He gets hit as much [if not more] than anyone in the league and shoots HALF the freethrows James does. When you take someone with James’ physical advantages and allow him to travel, carry and live at the line you’re basiclly giving him a game genie while everyone else has a defective controller.

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I’m not arguing that LeBron is better than MJ (which he’s not), I’m just talking about one aspect. I haven’t seen MJ HL’s in a long time, so my view is probably skewed.

When you say ‘chest-to-chest…’ MJ won most (if not all) of these matchups. Do you think no one goes chest-to-chest with LeBron because they know the consequences, and just don’t challenge him in the first place? Just curious.

I agree about the Kobe/ref situation. No love, even though he’s a superstar. The numbers say it all:

LeBron: 81 games played, 762 FT attempts (9.41/game)
Kobe: 82 games played, 564 FT attempts (6.88/game)

Difference: 2.53 FTs/game (207.46 FT/season)

LeBron shoots 78%, Kobe 86%. If Kobe got 9.41 FTs/game, and shot at an 86% clip, he would have made 655 FTs, which is almost 100 more FTs than he ATTEMPTED this season. Granted, it’s only 1-2 points more per game, but definitely a bias through the course of a season and across a career.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

T, you’re killin’ me! Jordan has the most athletic quickness of anyone in NBA history. He’s the best post playing guard of all time, raided the baseline like it was his birth right and went chest-to-chest with whoever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and won. LBJ for all of his size and strength does none of those. Yea he gets alot of dunks, but has anyone ever seen him go chest-to-chest with anyone in the air?

Red, not only can I say it, I am saying it. Kobe Bryant gets next to no calls. He gets hit as much [if not more] than anyone in the league and shoots HALF the freethrows James does. When you take someone with James’ physical advantages and allow him to travel, carry and live at the line you’re basiclly giving him a game genie while everyone else has a defective controller.[/quote]

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
red04 wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
Xeneize wrote:
Kaizen08 wrote:
Malevolence wrote:

I also could not agree more with the assessment of LeBron. Not to take anything away from him. Within a couple of years at the most, he will undoubtedly be the best player in the league. What is unfortunate, though, is the media treatment that Kobe receives. It seems he’s in a no-win situation, like y’all have pointed out. Score 60? Ball hog. Score 10? Well, he’s no LeBron.

Kobe is the most complete player in the league. His skill set is unmatched. He can score from anywhere on the court and unlike LeBron, his midrange jump shot is as good as they come.

Yeah I agree with LBJ being the best and Kobe getting the cold shoulder at times. I will say that LBJ is the best player in the league, no question (with Kobe a close second), and I honestly think that LeBron has more talent than Jordan, but there are two things he is lacking for now: heart and mind. I find LeBron to be a punk, arrogant, and full of himself. For example, in all of his commercials/endorsements, they are direct praise of LeBron in one form or another (people saying he’s the king, he’s a great lawyer, State Farm/Cleveland Browns commercial, etc), whereas other athletes, they are the showpiece of the greater good of a commercial.

I’m not taking anything away from his physical ability, but mentally, he has some catching up to do. Once he learns to master the mind game, he’ll be good (he already has the refs in his back pocket).

It took MJ seven years to win his first title, and this is LeBron’s sixth season. He has definitely learned from the NBA Finals defeat of two years ago, and instead of getting swept, the Cavs are sweeping up instead.

Feel free to chastise me of my comments about LeBron. He’s a great player, but I’m not a huge fan of him.

Kobe Bryant is still the best player on the planet, even James himself would agree with that, and that right there is why he’ll always be second. And I’m not sure how you can say that James has more talent than Jordan. Jordan is the GOAT, Lebron’s what would happen if Karl Malone and Clyde Drexler had a baby. Not a big fan of LBJ, but I do recognize his talent. With that, there’s no way he wins a title without “the man” paving his way for him.

He’s clearly the only superstar ever to get some ref treatment… oh wait except every big name slasher in the history of the league gets it, oops. Note that I’m not denying he gets the calls, but so do other players, and they aren’t 8-0 in the playoffs, so you can’t sit there and say it’s just “the man paving his way.” The same shit happens every year in the playoffs, someone gets to the rim more than everyone else and the refs give them credit by blowing the whistle. D-Wade got it, Tony Parker, Kobe, Chauncey, MJ back in his time, I’m sure the list goes on to before my time of being an NBA fan.

Sure there may be some bias being from Cleveland in the middle of the playoff run, but you people are talking like LBJ is some barely top tier player getting carried by the refs. Please. Cleveland is winning with stellar fucking defense and high % shotmaking on the offensive end, maybe some whistle blowing is the difference between them being 7-1 and 8-0, huge deal obviously.

T, you’re killin’ me! Jordan has the most athletic quickness of anyone in NBA history. He’s the best post playing guard of all time, raided the baseline like it was his birth right and went chest-to-chest with whoever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and won. LBJ for all of his size and strength does none of those. Yea he gets alot of dunks, but has anyone ever seen him go chest-to-chest with anyone in the air?

Red, not only can I say it, I am saying it. Kobe Bryant gets next to no calls. He gets hit as much [if not more] than anyone in the league and shoots HALF the freethrows James does. When you take someone with James’ physical advantages and allow him to travel, carry and live at the line you’re basiclly giving him a game genie while everyone else has a defective controller.[/quote]

It’s true, Kobe hardly gets any calls anymore. You have Lebron shooting 10-15 FT’s per game. Kobe’s been getting less than 4 for a majority of the postseason. An argument can be made that Kobe doesn’t drive to the rim anymore, but Lebron does. Then you need to look at the defense played on both players during their possession of the ball. Even while Kobe is out on the outside trying to escape the double and triple teams, he gets hit at least once or twice without calls in many plays. Even when he does drive in, he doesn’t get the calls he deserves.

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
I’m not arguing that LeBron is better than MJ (which he’s not), I’m just talking about one aspect. I haven’t seen MJ HL’s in a long time, so my view is probably skewed.

When you say ‘chest-to-chest…’ MJ won most (if not all) of these matchups. Do you think no one goes chest-to-chest with LeBron because they know the consequences, and just don’t challenge him in the first place? Just curious.

I agree about the Kobe/ref situation. No love, even though he’s a superstar. The numbers say it all:

LeBron: 81 games played, 762 FT attempts (9.41/game)
Kobe: 82 games played, 564 FT attempts (6.88/game)

Difference: 2.53 FTs/game (207.46 FT/season)

LeBron shoots 78%, Kobe 86%. If Kobe got 9.41 FTs/game, and shot at an 86% clip, he would have made 655 FTs, which is almost 100 more FTs than he ATTEMPTED this season. Granted, it’s only 1-2 points more per game, but definitely a bias through the course of a season and across a career.[/quote]

C’mon that’s a difference of 2.6~ a game, which is just over 1 called foul per game. With the amount of time LBJ handles the ball(more than Kobe, I know you won’t argue me on this one) and takes it to the rim(again, more than Kobe, although this isn’t due to Kobe lacking any talent this is just by choice as his outside game is much much more refined) you don’t believe that he garners 1 more foul per game? Lebron also turns a lot of would be out-of-bounds fouls into free throws because he’s strong enough to muster up a bullshit shot.

I think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill right now because in the playoffs Lebron is abusing teams with no interior defense by pounding the lane at will and getting ~12 attempts a game(maybe 13? I don’t know if it got higher after last night).

Also, my above statements about MJ getting calls was not in an attempt to compare Lebron to MJ’s greatness, MJ is and probably always will be in a class of his own unless Lebron keeps having these Olympic revelations for the next few seasons, and even then they are 2 different athletes, and will be compared due to the nature of sports but probably shouldn’t be.

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[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
I’m not arguing that LeBron is better than MJ (which he’s not), I’m just talking about one aspect. I haven’t seen MJ HL’s in a long time, so my view is probably skewed.

When you say ‘chest-to-chest…’ MJ won most (if not all) of these matchups. Do you think no one goes chest-to-chest with LeBron because they know the consequences, and just don’t challenge him in the first place? Just curious.

I agree about the Kobe/ref situation. No love, even though he’s a superstar. The numbers say it all:

LeBron: 81 games played, 762 FT attempts (9.41/game)
Kobe: 82 games played, 564 FT attempts (6.88/game)

Difference: 2.53 FTs/game (207.46 FT/season)

LeBron shoots 78%, Kobe 86%. If Kobe got 9.41 FTs/game, and shot at an 86% clip, he would have made 655 FTs, which is almost 100 more FTs than he ATTEMPTED this season. Granted, it’s only 1-2 points more per game, but definitely a bias through the course of a season and across a career.

WhiteFlash wrote:

T, you’re killin’ me! Jordan has the most athletic quickness of anyone in NBA history. He’s the best post playing guard of all time, raided the baseline like it was his birth right and went chest-to-chest with whoever he wanted, whenever he wanted, and won. LBJ for all of his size and strength does none of those. Yea he gets alot of dunks, but has anyone ever seen him go chest-to-chest with anyone in the air?

Red, not only can I say it, I am saying it. Kobe Bryant gets next to no calls. He gets hit as much [if not more] than anyone in the league and shoots HALF the freethrows James does. When you take someone with James’ physical advantages and allow him to travel, carry and live at the line you’re basiclly giving him a game genie while everyone else has a defective controller.[/quote]

I’ve thought about defenders hesitation in going chest-to-chest with LBJ, and I think it’s a bit of both. I think alot of it is he’s clearly a better one-footed leaper than two-footed, and because of that he generates less power. He had a dunk on Tim Duncen a couple of years ago where he took off from deep and damn near jumped over him, but if Duncan had jumped it would’ve been a layup or floater.

Side story: About a year ago I was at a mexican restaurant sitting at the bar with some buddies When Orlando Woolridge sat down next to me. I recognized him and said hello. We started bullshitting, and of course I had to ask if Jordan was as good as they said. He looked me square in my eyes and said " Brother, you have no idea." He started telling me stories about when Jordan was first drafted and came in and kicked everyone’s ass in practice, and they knew immediately that they had a hall of famer on their hands. He was talking about Jordan being able to dunk on people off the left or both and how he talked shit to everyone. As a fan, it was one of the coolest moments of my life.

This is just a taste T. If you want to see some shit that blows your mind go pick up Come fly with me.

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[quote]red04 wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
I’m not arguing that LeBron is better than MJ (which he’s not), I’m just talking about one aspect. I haven’t seen MJ HL’s in a long time, so my view is probably skewed.

When you say ‘chest-to-chest…’ MJ won most (if not all) of these matchups. Do you think no one goes chest-to-chest with LeBron because they know the consequences, and just don’t challenge him in the first place? Just curious.

I agree about the Kobe/ref situation. No love, even though he’s a superstar. The numbers say it all:

LeBron: 81 games played, 762 FT attempts (9.41/game)
Kobe: 82 games played, 564 FT attempts (6.88/game)

Difference: 2.53 FTs/game (207.46 FT/season)

LeBron shoots 78%, Kobe 86%. If Kobe got 9.41 FTs/game, and shot at an 86% clip, he would have made 655 FTs, which is almost 100 more FTs than he ATTEMPTED this season. Granted, it’s only 1-2 points more per game, but definitely a bias through the course of a season and across a career.

C’mon that’s a difference of 2.6~ a game, which is just over 1 called foul per game. With the amount of time LBJ handles the ball(more than Kobe, I know you won’t argue me on this one) and takes it to the rim(again, more than Kobe, although this isn’t due to Kobe lacking any talent this is just by choice as his outside game is much much more refined) you don’t believe that he garners 1 more foul per game? Lebron also turns a lot of would be out-of-bounds fouls into free throws because he’s strong enough to muster up a bullshit shot.

I think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill right now because in the playoffs Lebron is abusing teams with no interior defense by pounding the lane at will and getting ~12 attempts a game(maybe 13? I don’t know if it got higher after last night).

Also, my above statements about MJ getting calls was not in an attempt to compare Lebron to MJ’s greatness, MJ is and probably always will be in a class of his own unless Lebron keeps having these Olympic revelations for the next few seasons, and even then they are 2 different athletes, and will be compared due to the nature of sports but probably shouldn’t be.
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In the playoffs it’s over 6 a game. They showed the graphic on ABC the other day. Kobe’s shooting 7 a game and LBJ’s shooting over 13. This is not an imaginary stat. This is really happening.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Side story: About a year ago I was at a mexican restaurant sitting at the bar with some buddies When Orlando Woolridge sat down next to me. I recognized him and said hello.
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You hang out at the right bars…

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[quote]Malevolence wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:

Side story: About a year ago I was at a mexican restaurant sitting at the bar with some buddies When Orlando Woolridge sat down next to me. I recognized him and said hello.

You hang out at the right bars…[/quote]

Ha. He was in town for a coaching clinic and was with one of his old Notre Dame buddies who played football and runs a sports talk radio program here in Houston. My buddies had no idea who he was. I’ve played in a few pro-ams and have played with and met some pretty well known ball players, but this was the only time I was giddy. I mean, he was the man sittin’ next to the man! I was trying to play it cool but I’m pretty sure my shit eating grin gave me away. He was a really cool guy.

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Speaking of Kobe/LeBron, just saw this Nike MVP (Most Valuable Puppet) Commercial. Hilarious!!!

http://www.diretodoforno.com.br/nike-most-valuable-puppets/

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:

Side story: About a year ago I was at a mexican restaurant sitting at the bar with some buddies When Orlando Woolridge sat down next to me. I recognized him and said hello.

You hang out at the right bars…

Ha. He was in town for a coaching clinic and was with one of his old Notre Dame buddies who played football and runs a sports talk radio program here in Houston. My buddies had no idea who he was. I’ve played in a few pro-ams and have played with and met some pretty well known ball players, but this was the only time I was giddy. I mean, he was the man sittin’ next to the man! I was trying to play it cool but I’m pretty sure my shit eating grin gave me away. He was a really cool guy.[/quote]

any other cool stories???

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:

Side story: About a year ago I was at a mexican restaurant sitting at the bar with some buddies When Orlando Woolridge sat down next to me. I recognized him and said hello.

You hang out at the right bars…

Ha. He was in town for a coaching clinic and was with one of his old Notre Dame buddies who played football and runs a sports talk radio program here in Houston. My buddies had no idea who he was. I’ve played in a few pro-ams and have played with and met some pretty well known ball players, but this was the only time I was giddy. I mean, he was the man sittin’ next to the man! I was trying to play it cool but I’m pretty sure my shit eating grin gave me away. He was a really cool guy.[/quote]

Yeah I agree with Male. Battier, O-Wool, maybe other players. You know how to pick your spots.

Speaking of the man sitting next to the man, I met Scottie Pippen at the mall one time, he was a complete jerk. Didn’t sign autographs, didn’t say hello, had his bodyguards talk for him, etc. Funny thing was that he was getting his nails done. I guess he didn’t want anyone touching his hands.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
red04 wrote:
tmoney1 wrote:
I’m not arguing that LeBron is better than MJ (which he’s not), I’m just talking about one aspect. I haven’t seen MJ HL’s in a long time, so my view is probably skewed.

When you say ‘chest-to-chest…’ MJ won most (if not all) of these matchups. Do you think no one goes chest-to-chest with LeBron because they know the consequences, and just don’t challenge him in the first place? Just curious.

I agree about the Kobe/ref situation. No love, even though he’s a superstar. The numbers say it all:

LeBron: 81 games played, 762 FT attempts (9.41/game)
Kobe: 82 games played, 564 FT attempts (6.88/game)

Difference: 2.53 FTs/game (207.46 FT/season)

LeBron shoots 78%, Kobe 86%. If Kobe got 9.41 FTs/game, and shot at an 86% clip, he would have made 655 FTs, which is almost 100 more FTs than he ATTEMPTED this season. Granted, it’s only 1-2 points more per game, but definitely a bias through the course of a season and across a career.

C’mon that’s a difference of 2.6~ a game, which is just over 1 called foul per game. With the amount of time LBJ handles the ball(more than Kobe, I know you won’t argue me on this one) and takes it to the rim(again, more than Kobe, although this isn’t due to Kobe lacking any talent this is just by choice as his outside game is much much more refined) you don’t believe that he garners 1 more foul per game? Lebron also turns a lot of would be out-of-bounds fouls into free throws because he’s strong enough to muster up a bullshit shot.

I think you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill right now because in the playoffs Lebron is abusing teams with no interior defense by pounding the lane at will and getting ~12 attempts a game(maybe 13? I don’t know if it got higher after last night).

Also, my above statements about MJ getting calls was not in an attempt to compare Lebron to MJ’s greatness, MJ is and probably always will be in a class of his own unless Lebron keeps having these Olympic revelations for the next few seasons, and even then they are 2 different athletes, and will be compared due to the nature of sports but probably shouldn’t be.

In the playoffs it’s over 6 a game. They showed the graphic on ABC the other day. Kobe’s shooting 7 a game and LBJ’s shooting over 13. This is not an imaginary stat. This is really happening.[/quote]

I know you watch the games, Kobe isn’t going to the rack nearly as much in the playoffs, it’s not even close, he has an impressive frontline that he is letting do work(especially in the Utah series) down there while he tears it up with his shooting game. Lebron is instead abusing the lack of interior D of his opposition by driving every other play and the refs blow the whistle like they do for ANY player that drives it hard and often.

Kobe has also played 4 games now against 2 premier man defenders(Battier/Artest) who aren’t giving him silly fouls leading to +1’s.

Kobe is hardly getting “woe is me” treatment, he still gets his. This isn’t about being on Lebrons junk, the dude gets the whistles EVERY star player gets when they drive, he just does it far more often.

Yes, this is really happening.

As far as the other gripes about the media praising him like he is Jesus in sneakers, that I agree with. I also think he cares way too much about “business Lebron, future billionaire” and not enough about the multiple rings he has the talent to win.

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some good discussion going on in here now. Good to see. Some pics from last night. LeBron goes low…

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[quote]red04 wrote:

I also think he cares way too much about “business Lebron, future billionaire” and not enough about the multiple rings he has the talent to win.[/quote]

EXACTLY! We can argue and discuss about talent/FT’s/fouls all day, but in the end, how you will be remembered is by the number of titles you win.

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LeBron goes high.

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Joe Johnson battles Wally Szczerbiak for a loose ball.

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And a last look at Atlanta’s finest.