Alright, after looking back at the 2003 and 2004 seasons, it seems that Brooks had better years than Collins did. I am willing to admit that last year was a bad year for Brooks given the whole Katrina fiasco. BUT, I still say that Moss isn’t better off with Brooks than with Collins. And that he isn’t going to be a top 5 WR.
I have DeAngelo Williams and Marion Barber. I think those two I will be able to trade one mid season for great value, and/or they get the carries down the stretch to the playoffs. Either way, I am happy that I got both of them.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
spacepirate wrote:
- Play your studs, they’re top notch for a reason. I’d rather have a good player against a top D than a mid range player against a bad D.
I agree. I dont ever bench a WR stud unless I have another stud to replace him with. Same with the RB’s. I won’t bench the studs unless there is an obvious blockcade and a great upside for a so-so back you have waiting.
I play LT every game unless he runs into a top 3 run DEF and has done bad against them in the past… and I have someone waiting to go on my bench that’s facing a piss poor run def where i know he can score and put up a 100 yard game easy, then he’s in and LT is on the bench. I have L J do I don’t have that debate, L J will never leave the roster spot except for his bye week.
Shaun and LT would have maybe 1 questionable game. Then doen the line… it depends who you have in your arsenal. Barber, Brown, Jackson are all great backs… but I guarentee you I would have ronnie Brown on the bench this week for a Corey Dillon start against Buffalo where he tears their run def up and has a history.
Prediction:
If you have Ronnie Brown & Corey Dillon sit/start debate on your team. No question about it to sit Brown this week.
THIS WEEK
MIA vs PIT-- Ronnie Brown- 3 fantasy points, about 60 yards.
N.E. vs BUF
Corey Dillon- 11 fantasy points, 1 Td and 100 yards[/quote]
First, I disagree with benching a healthy LT ever…but nevermind that.
How many of you play in a league with the 20 yds. per point format? I think that if you use this format (especially if you don’t include fractional points), more luck enters into the equation. TDs get priority over yards. I thought that the 1 point per 10 yards, or 20 passing was more standard, but maybe I’m wrong. Any thoughts on that?
[quote]dre wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
Completely disagree! Moss is so good he even did ok last year being hurt and missing a bit. But the main factor was a horrible QB in Collins, and Randy Still finished in the top 15 without a full season. Randy is healthy, has a better than average QB and will put his dominate numbers back to where they where. Randy is the best WR in football other than T O and he had 2 rough years due to injury and a shit QB. That is over, Expect Randy to dominate as he did before. He may not finish #1 but will be top 5.
They have no running game at all. They didn’t have one last year either. Now they lost Bettis the goalline back. Running the ball alot doesn’t make you a successful running team. They were horrible last year in picking up first downs and 3rd down conversions running. Big Ben is that whole offense… without him in the line up, Pittsburgh is all Def.
Alright, i’m not going to argue with someone who thinks that Brooks is an upgrade from Collins. Brooks is a horrible QB. You must be a Raiders fan. Collins finished 6th in the league in passing yards while Brooks finished 16th. Collins threw 20tds and 12 ints while Brooks threw 13 tds and 17 ints. Collins had a completion percentage of 77% and Brooks had 70%. Now, do you really think that Moss is going to have a better year than he did last year with Brooks throwing to him instead of Collins?
Ah, no running game? The finished 5th in the league last year in rush yards per game. 5th in the league in total yards. 5th in first downs. And 9th in the league in 20+ yard runs. Can you still seriously sit there and tell me that they have no running game?[/quote]
Yes & YES!!!
Yes, Brooks is better than Collins. Now that they will actually put up statistics on the SAME team; the Raiders, you will see the difference at the end of the year. There is one major factor you’re overlooking and its QB mobility. Collins was a stick in the mud. Brooks will give Randy the time to get open. Remember Randy is a downfield runner. T O is a route runner. T O needs a completion % qb. Randy needs a mobile one. Michael Vick would be an excellent QB for Moss if Mike could just throw a few % better.
Now the Steelers running game… once again , they don’t have one. 5th in the league in rush yards per game is bad when you run the ball more than any other team. That’s not a good stat, I’m not sure how you are decifering this. Once again 5th is not going to get it done without Bettisto make the scores. They need to pass more or they will nor repeat. Period. The Steelers will not repeat without Bettis’s goalline punch and running the ball that much without “production”.
By the way… where did you get your numbers? Kerry Collins had a 53.5 completion % last year. Aaron Brooks had a 55.7 completion %. Brooks was higher and didn’t have a stud like Moss to throw to. Did you just make those numbers up?
[quote]escot4 wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
spacepirate wrote:
- Play your studs, they’re top notch for a reason. I’d rather have a good player against a top D than a mid range player against a bad D.
I agree. I dont ever bench a WR stud unless I have another stud to replace him with. Same with the RB’s. I won’t bench the studs unless there is an obvious blockcade and a great upside for a so-so back you have waiting.
I play LT every game unless he runs into a top 3 run DEF and has done bad against them in the past… and I have someone waiting to go on my bench that’s facing a piss poor run def where i know he can score and put up a 100 yard game easy, then he’s in and LT is on the bench. I have L J do I don’t have that debate, L J will never leave the roster spot except for his bye week.
Shaun and LT would have maybe 1 questionable game. Then doen the line… it depends who you have in your arsenal. Barber, Brown, Jackson are all great backs… but I guarentee you I would have ronnie Brown on the bench this week for a Corey Dillon start against Buffalo where he tears their run def up and has a history.
Prediction:
If you have Ronnie Brown & Corey Dillon sit/start debate on your team. No question about it to sit Brown this week.
THIS WEEK
MIA vs PIT-- Ronnie Brown- 3 fantasy points, about 60 yards.
N.E. vs BUF
Corey Dillon- 11 fantasy points, 1 Td and 100 yards
First, I disagree with benching a healthy LT ever…but nevermind that.
How many of you play in a league with the 20 yds. per point format? I think that if you use this format (especially if you don’t include fractional points), more luck enters into the equation. TDs get priority over yards. I thought that the 1 point per 10 yards, or 20 passing was more standard, but maybe I’m wrong. Any thoughts on that?[/quote]
OK. Let me give you the scenario then. San Diego plays Kansas City. LT has done lousy in both games against that run defense last year. No TD’s and about 60 yards and 40 yards of rushing in both games respectivly. Your option… start that back or start Dillon vs Buffalo where he has dominated that weak run defense. 70 yards & 2 td’s… & 100 yards 1 td in both games respectivly.
The numbers:
Dillon vs Buffalo in 2 games- 26 fantasy points
LT vs Kansas City in 2 games- 5 fantasy points
I’m benching LT and starting Dillon if this scenario comes up and my other RB slot looks good. What are you doing?
[quote]Coolhand wrote:
I have DeAngelo Williams and Marion Barber. I think those two I will be able to trade one mid season for great value, and/or they get the carries down the stretch to the playoffs. Either way, I am happy that I got both of them.[/quote]
I like DeAngelo’s upside… Foster will be out sooner or later. Marion Barber I think is a waste on your roster spot. Julius will be the feature back and Marion Barber won’t amount more than half of the fantsy points Julius will put up.
One last prediction. I’d like to see how far off I am on this one too by the end of the year.
Randy Moss- 1,300 yards & 13 TD’s
…that’s good enough for top 5
Moss is not even in my top 5.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
dre wrote:
Agreed with your points on Andre and Burleson. I hope to heck that Burleson has a big year this year. I took thinking that he could breakout on that Seattle team. Hopefully he does.
I really have to disagree with you on R. Moss. I don’t see Brooks being an upgrade from Collins. Brooks has a good arm and can make plays. But he also makes some throws that make even the casual football fan say WTF! On top of that Oakland is an awful team playing in a tough division. Randy will be playing when he wants to and will have a year like last year. I don’t see him being a top 10 receiver this year.
Completely disagree! Moss is so good he even did ok last year being hurt and missing a bit. But the main factor was a horrible QB in Collins, and Randy Still finished in the top 15 without a full season. Randy is healthy, has a better than average QB and will put his dominate numbers back to where they where. Randy is the best WR in football other than T O and he had 2 rough years due to injury and a shit QB. That is over, Expect Randy to dominate as he did before. He may not finish #1 but will be top 5.
I don’t think the Steelers running game will be weak this year. What did they lose? Bettis around the goal line and that’s it. They still have Willie Parker and he’s going to show what he can do. They are still a run first team and they will be as long as Cowher is there.
They have no running game at all. They didn’t have one last year either. Now they lost Bettis the goalline back. Running the ball alot doesn’t make you a successful running team. They were horrible last year in picking up first downs and 3rd down conversions running. Big Ben is that whole offense… without him in the line up, Pittsburgh is all Def.
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Favre has a team around him? Dude, what are you talking about? The packers look horrible, you better hope picks dont count in your league.
[quhim?ote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
escot4 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Alright lads, here’s my team:
Looks like you took a lot of risks. Jackson is battling the knee injury, Brown may see less chances now with Stallworth around, Bell and Addai will likely split carries with teammates, and that shoulder injury could impact Portis’ production all year. I’d be worried about consistency. Too many question marks in my opinion. It will probably be tough to decide your starters each week. Sorry if this sounds negative…just giving my opinion.
I think Mike Bell is going to have an incredible year, and Addai will be starting by Week 4 or 5.
Portis…who knows. Gibbs saying he’s questionable for week 1 is hard to call, because he rarely releases his Injured lists.
I’m counting on James, Gore, Bell, and possibly Portis to score alot of my points this year. Bulger will be solid, and Favre is going to be much improved now that he actually has a team around him again.
My receivers are weak, I agree. However, I think Gabriel is going to be a rising star in NE- he might save my ass.
Defense also counts ALOT in my league, and so the Fins might give me hope.
There is surprising parity in my league…especially because I think people with Trent Green may get fucked because Herm Edwards is such a bad coach.
People forget that RB’s are only products of their offensive lines also. LT might have it tougher.[/quote]
And how exactly does this proof your point about third year WR’s breaking out? Boldin/Fitz do not count bc they are already broken out. So far, the only WR that will have a break out season this year bc he is in his 3rd year is Wilford. Is one player a trend? Who are the others? Or will you simply look back at the end of the season and say…see those guys broke out b/c they were in their third year and just ignore those who did not.
I am not arguing with you that it maytake 2 years to really get a feel for the NFL but to say there is a 3 year wide receiver rule is ridiculous.
I am sure you believe in the Madden curse as well? Ok down goes Alexander…
A
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
I know what you mean and I am aware but its still bullshit. Some put up big numbers, some dont.
My point is, those guys that are predicted to break out in their third year WR, dont alwyas do.
Please tell me what happened to Andre Johnson and Nate Burleson, now 4th year, who were supposed to have huge years last year?
Go heavy fool wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Yeah its bullshit. Some break out, some dont. Who were pegged to break out as 3rd year guys last year again? My point exactly…
Go heavy fool wrote:
dre wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Not a bad move but I would have traded Bruce instead, he has more value if he stays healthy. In your logic, thats like saying I have Edge and Parker in one league, I am going to drop Droughns (or someone like that) bc he is not going to get a start for me.
dre wrote:
Alright, well, I decided to drop Isaac Bruce and pick up Greg Jennings. Since I have Tory Holt, I wouldn’t start both of them on the same week anyways. So, why drop a RB when i’m not going to be using Bruce.
What do ya’ll think? Think I made the right move?
EDIT: Oh and Chestor Taylor against the Redskins or McAllister against the Browns? Right now I have Chestor in there.
I hear ya. I tried to trade Bruce to a couple of different teams and no one would bite.
Because he’s the #2 wideout on a new offensive running team with a busted up Qb coming off injury… did I mention that he’s also 152 years old? Good drop with Bruce! and don’t look back.
Do you guys not know anything about the 3rd year breakout WR’s? Find them! Ernest Wilford is still available in most leagues… pick him up. There’s your breakout 3rd year WR… if Jennings doesn’t work out for you.
nah… there’s some smoke with all these mirrors
Look at Steve Smiths 3rd year, Santana Moss, Javon Walker… i could go on forever.
It’s usually the 2nd year for a killer wide out and the 3rd for a great wide out.
Larry Fitzgerald bust out last year in his 2nd year.
This year… look again for those 2nd and 3rd year guys… that havn’t put up big seasons yet.
You can’t see it because they havn’t put up the numbers yet. Well neither did Larry, Santana, Javon, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith. But now you can see them as great becuse they already busted out in their 2nd or 3rd year.
You will be looking to draft some 3rd and 4th year wr’s next year that had breakout seasons this year. There is your myth buster. Nobody was drafting Steve Smith in his 2nd year. I got Anquan Boldin out of the free agent pool in his 2nd year. Go look at what Anquan did in his 2nd year… HE WAS UNDRAFTED!
The key here is that there are fantasy breakout players in everyones league and nobody knows who they are. I’m telling you who 1 of them is. It’s Wilford. There are more i’m sure but I would really have to look. I have 4 studs so I didn’t need to look this year.
QB problem for ANDRE. Burleson… same thing.
Burleson is the guy this year, he has Hasselbeck and Hasselbeck likes him as a target.
Andre… unless Houston gets a better QB, nothing for him again. He has the talent, but nobody to throw him the ball.
Same problem with Randy Moss last year, no QB.
Moss will be big this year with Brooks. Burleson Big with Hasselbeck. T O big with Bledsoe. Boldin and Fitzgerald both big with Warner, he throws 350 yards a game when healthy. Holt is questionable depending on new offense and Bulger health issues… he is this years last year unproductive Moss.
Harrison and Wayne have Peyton. CJ and TJ have Palmer. Ward has Big Ben, expect another Steeler to come up big this year with a weak running game over there. Ben will be passing alot and his completion % is high.
Roethlisberger is a top 5 QB easy if he was on a passing team, the Steelers may finally pass more this year. Remember he was on the team that ran the ball more times than any other team in the NFL. Ben would easily have 4,500 yards on the Eagles team.
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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
And how exactly does this proof your point about third year WR’s breaking out? Boldin/Fitz do not count bc they are already broken out. So far, the only WR that will have a break out season this year bc he is in his 3rd year is Wilford. Is one player a trend? Who are the others? Or will you simply look back at the end of the season and say…see those guys broke out b/c they were in their third year and just ignore those who did not.
I am not arguing with you that it maytake 2 years to really get a feel for the NFL but to say there is a 3 year wide receiver rule is ridiculous.
I am sure you believe in the Madden curse as well? Ok down goes Alexander…
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No. but I do feel alexander will have an off year. I have him ranked third… but I was only being generous because he is still Shaun Alexander. It wouldn’t surprise me if he fell out of the top 5 this year or even the top 10 if he had this curse hit him. There are some young risers like Jackson and Brown and Caddy. This isn’t Priest Holmes, LT, Portis and Ricky williams time anymore. Larry came up last 2 years and Shaun in the middle of all this. The Tops change year after year… and the Priest Holmes’s, Ricky William’s and the like pass their time and shaun is due some time too. Who knows? Could be this year, next, or whenever. I didn’t predict Priest and Ricky not playing in 2006 a couple years ago. Ahman Green went down. shaun is 29… this could be his last year, or maybe last year was. we will see. Jamal Lewis is like 27, he can still come back… doubt it though. Dillon is on his way out with Green.
Running backs don’t have a long shelf life, get em while their hot. You never know whose gonna get hurt and whose going to take the fall.
It can’t be LJ, LT, and shaun #1, #2, #3 every year for the next 5 years. 5 years from now… it could be 2 running backs not even in the top 20 right now.
Alright boys… time to watch some football. i’ll come back on after the games and try to get my foot out of my mouth with all my predictions that didn’t come true. Lets see hummm… I got Pittsburgh winning 10-7 with Ronnie Brown and Culpepper getting stuffed. We’ll see. I hope ronnie doesn’t score like 27 TD’s though. Or I’m gonna have some explaining to do.
Peace out.
Go Steelers!
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Yes & YES!!!
Yes, Brooks is better than Collins. Now that they will actually put up statistics on the SAME team; the Raiders, you will see the difference at the end of the year. There is one major factor you’re overlooking and its QB mobility. Collins was a stick in the mud. Brooks will give Randy the time to get open. Remember Randy is a downfield runner. T O is a route runner. T O needs a completion % qb. Randy needs a mobile one. Michael Vick would be an excellent QB for Moss if Mike could just throw a few % better.
Now the Steelers running game… once again , they don’t have one. 5th in the league in rush yards per game is bad when you run the ball more than any other team. That’s not a good stat, I’m not sure how you are decifering this. Once again 5th is not going to get it done without Bettisto make the scores. They need to pass more or they will nor repeat. Period. The Steelers will not repeat without Bettis’s goalline punch and running the ball that much without “production”.
By the way… where did you get your numbers? Kerry Collins had a 53.5 completion % last year. Aaron Brooks had a 55.7 completion %. Brooks was higher and didn’t have a stud like Moss to throw to. Did you just make those numbers up?
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Alright, so I screwed up. I was looking at their QB Rating not completion percentage. I’m not very smart. haha
And, i’m done trying to argue my point because I am making stupid mistakes that make me look like a moron!
ENJOY THE GAME!!!
Ronnie Brown
[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Ronnie Brown [/quote]
yeah! I think I called him out right… 9 rushing yards in the first half! He did squeeze out that goal-line TD though off of that Pass interference no-call. So its a wash. Pittsburgh’s DEF is stuffing him as I expected but he did squeeze one out on me, that little turd!
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
OK. Let me give you the scenario then. San Diego plays Kansas City. LT has done lousy in both games against that run defense last year. No TD’s and about 60 yards and 40 yards of rushing in both games respectivly. Your option… start that back or start Dillon vs Buffalo where he has dominated that weak run defense. 70 yards & 2 td’s… & 100 yards 1 td in both games respectivly.
The numbers:
Dillon vs Buffalo in 2 games- 26 fantasy points
LT vs Kansas City in 2 games- 5 fantasy points
I’m benching LT and starting Dillon if this scenario comes up and my other RB slot looks good. What are you doing?
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I’m using LT without a doubt. With most players in that situation, I would bench them due to that kind of history. However, I don’t think any team really “has his number” so to speak. LT is one of the only guys capable of putting up 3 TDs in a game on any given week.
Also, my league’s scoring format is probably different than yours. It gives fractional points and a point for every 10 yards. Tomlinson had 92 and 65 yds from scrimmage last year against the Chiefs, so in my format that’s 9.2 and 6.5 points. Add a touchdown or 2 to either those (which he would likely get next time he faces them) and those end up being solid games. Therefore, I’m going with LT.
[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Ronnie Brown
yeah! I think I called him out right… 9 rushing yards in the first half! He did squeeze out that goal-line TD though off of that Pass interference no-call. So its a wash. Pittsburgh’s DEF is stuffing him as I expected but he did squeeze one out on me, that little turd! [/quote]
I kinda smelled ronnie scoring some goal-line td’s and getting stuffed in the yardage. That’s why i said i hope he doesn’t score like 27 td’s. I must be psychic.
[quote]escot4 wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
OK. Let me give you the scenario then. San Diego plays Kansas City. LT has done lousy in both games against that run defense last year. No TD’s and about 60 yards and 40 yards of rushing in both games respectivly. Your option… start that back or start Dillon vs Buffalo where he has dominated that weak run defense. 70 yards & 2 td’s… & 100 yards 1 td in both games respectivly.
The numbers:
Dillon vs Buffalo in 2 games- 26 fantasy points
LT vs Kansas City in 2 games- 5 fantasy points
I’m benching LT and starting Dillon if this scenario comes up and my other RB slot looks good. What are you doing?
I’m using LT without a doubt. With most players in that situation, I would bench them due to that kind of history. However, I don’t think any team really “has his number” so to speak. LT is one of the only guys capable of putting up 3 TDs in a game on any given week.
Also, my league’s scoring format is probably different than yours. It gives fractional points and a point for every 10 yards. Tomlinson had 92 and 65 yds from scrimmage last year against the Chiefs, so in my format that’s 9.2 and 6.5 points. Add a touchdown or 2 to either those (which he would likely get next time he faces them) and those end up being solid games. Therefore, I’m going with LT.[/quote]
My league is set up so td’s and yardage are pretty much equal. You get alot more points for yardage. Because goal-line td’s isn’t considered good running. But 100 yard games are.
My league is 10 yards per point. 5 points a td.
[quote]escot4 wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
OK. Let me give you the scenario then. San Diego plays Kansas City. LT has done lousy in both games against that run defense last year. No TD’s and about 60 yards and 40 yards of rushing in both games respectivly. Your option… start that back or start Dillon vs Buffalo where he has dominated that weak run defense. 70 yards & 2 td’s… & 100 yards 1 td in both games respectivly.
The numbers:
Dillon vs Buffalo in 2 games- 26 fantasy points
LT vs Kansas City in 2 games- 5 fantasy points
I’m benching LT and starting Dillon if this scenario comes up and my other RB slot looks good. What are you doing?
I’m using LT without a doubt. With most players in that situation, I would bench them due to that kind of history. However, I don’t think any team really “has his number” so to speak. LT is one of the only guys capable of putting up 3 TDs in a game on any given week.
Also, my league’s scoring format is probably different than yours. It gives fractional points and a point for every 10 yards. Tomlinson had 92 and 65 yds from scrimmage last year against the Chiefs, so in my format that’s 9.2 and 6.5 points. Add a touchdown or 2 to either those (which he would likely get next time he faces them) and those end up being solid games. Therefore, I’m going with LT.[/quote]
In your case I would definitly go with dillon for the yardage factor alone.
With those match ups. LT’s best possibility with the chiefs isn’t going to be too much greater than Dillons worst against the bills. Dillon isn’t a gamble here. LT is. LT is the sure thing the other 13-15 games. And
Dillon is the gamble.
I got lucky… my opponent this week benched Ronnie Brown, probably for the reasons I would have. We are in a winners league, so its understandable. He has Alexander and Addai left. I don’t know why he would choose a 2nd string back over the starter. Even I would start Brown going against Pittsburgh over Addai going against the NYG. 2 good def’s, but one starter, and one splitting carries. That’s a no brainer.