Actually, I think I might throw in my leftover Proviron into this cycle. Since there’s no test base here, and endo. test will be shut down, there will be no test for the 5-AR to work on. As Prov. is essentially methylated DHT, it may not be a bad thing to use here. Worst case scenario I just end up chasing my girl around the house naked with a samurai sword between my legs. Thoughts?
You will experience no difference that makes a difference. It is not as if libido should be lacking without it; or if it is, it would be for reasons that I doubt Proviron would fix.
Alright then, we’ll do this methodically. First time through no prov. 2nd time w. prov.
That is the best kind of approach! 
Wk1+2 ON
Wk3+4 OFF
Wk5+6 ON
Wk7+8 OFF
Wk9+10 ON
Wk11-14 OFF
Repeat 3-4x
So the whole 14 weeks is 1 cycle… and these would be added together to last around 1 year (or whatever the time frame is leading to a particular goal or event). This is STILL more time ‘off’ than ‘on’ so a year isn’t that long ‘on’ in total.
Each 14 week cycle would be split into micro and mesocycles WRT training, and the individual ‘cycle’ (14wks) would follow a pretty sturdy goal and pattern. ie. Similar drugs would be used - ie. Sheer bulk cycles, lean anabolism cycles, etc… so over the year as each cycle is added, they form to create the path to the end goal, a path of pharmacology, training, diet and supplementation which evolves as you do. (it sounds really cool like that but it is of course basic periodisation!!)
The OFF periods would use SERMS only, and the ON periods the Anabolics, AI’s and HCG.
The specific drugs are not important of course as they would be relative to the person using…
But that is IMO a good way to utilise the plan over a longer period - effective, safer and less inhibitive to the HPTA in the long term than regular cycling. IIRC this is exactly why it was designed, for those reasons above and to be used over relatively long periods to maximise the gains from it but keeping all sides lower than with a regular suppressive cycle.
If the main drugs were orals and Suspensions, then i believe this could be a very effective method of use for a tested athlete… as not only are there regular breaks from using so as to time those with scheduled tests, but there is also minimal to no suppression, which means that as the season comes to a climax, and the goal is about to be met, and the cycling is over for the period - the gains and performance will not drop off as much as if the user was running 6-8 week cycles 1-3x a year… meaning they can come into the off season with a higher retention and better energy than if using in a more traditional fashion… as a thought at least.
It may be flawed so if it is someone point it out. But it could be a very flexible method of use - even mixed with traditional cycles… depending on the timetable of the year etc… (rather than just taking the 2on/2off idea and simply placing 3 of them in a row to make a basic 12 week run - as most seem to do)
This is damn near exactly what I’m doing
so far: very happy
Sorry for my ignorance to your thread then! How far are you in… just on the second or third blast aren’t you? how long do you intend to run this altogether then?
(If you have gone over this already - dont repeat yourself cause i am a lazy fuck… just tell me to read the beginning ;p)
I’ve completed 2 “on’s” I will do 3 more “on’s” leading up to a meet.
Then, I will take 1 month off.
Yours differs in that it changes the drug each 2 week run, which will give less time for the body to react to the drug in question before it is changed. Not ‘not enough time’ - just less.
Also that it doesn’t seem to have the same progression of drugs (possibly the tie in to training and diet too)…
I can see that the first 2 cycles are 700mg Test and 140mg Halo… Is your third ‘on’ going to be Tren and Dbol? And what are the others going to be leading up to meet day>
With you peaking for a meet, i would have thought the Halo would have been better off more towards the end of the whole run - for it’s obvious benefits when attempting fully psyched ‘meet lifts’. Of course you can (and likely will) add it in again, but you could have used something that would have had a more lasting effect that would have contributed more to the competition - IMO at least.
Is there a reason you decided to run halo before the dbol, or was it just due to focusing on each individual cycle and what you want to run in it as you feel, rather than the plan as a whole - the full 20 weeks up to the meet (and 4 after i assume)?
This isn’t a flame - i come across like that alot - but i am asking because i would have chosen the drugs differently, or more accurately i would choose the same drugs but at different times.
Well, I am also using this as a time to experience new compounds. I knew how test effected me, so I tried test and halo. Liked it. I know how dbol affects me, and so now I will try dbol and tren. What I’ve figured out is that the “steroid profile” crap is 90% bullshit “bro knowledge”. I won’t know how to put cycles together until I know how each compound affects me. Previous to becoming a member here, I’d run dbol, deca, test, primo, and proviron.
I time my on time with peak volume and/or intensity in my mesocycles.
Depending on how I feel with the tren, I may run test or dbol with tren and halo in the week leading up to the meet.
In the future, I’ll be trying: npp, anadrol, anavar, winny, ot… once I figure out what works best for me, I’ll just stick to that.
[quote] Brook wrote:
It is technically possible to inject a high dose of TE on the first day… but if you look at this
To achieve a dose of 750mg each week (as close as possible at least) you would -
Day 1 - Inject 1500mg Test E, giving blood level of approx. 1400mg.
Day 4 - Blood level of 940mg.
Day 7 - 620mg.
Day 11 - 350mg.
Day 14 - 235mg.
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Nicely put! Of course, we could also inject, say, 1000 mg of TE on the first day and continue on with Test P. I think that would give you the highest overall drug levels. Or, alternatively, if one wants to minimize the number of injections, one could also go with a second lower dose injection on, say, day 5 although that’s not really that brilliant an idea, but doable.
[quote]Abaddon wrote:
Brook wrote:
It is technically possible to inject a high dose of TE on the first day… but if you look at this
To achieve a dose of 750mg each week (as close as possible at least) you would -
Day 1 - Inject 1500mg Test E, giving blood level of approx. 1400mg.
Day 4 - Blood level of 940mg.
Day 7 - 620mg.
Day 11 - 350mg.
Day 14 - 235mg.
Nicely put! Of course, we could also inject, say, 1000 mg of TE on the first day and continue on with Test P. I think that would give you the highest overall drug levels. Or, alternatively, if one wants to minimize the number of injections, one could also go with a second lower dose injection on, say, day 5 although that’s not really that brilliant an idea, but doable.[/quote]
yep, this is what i do with my 4 week cycles… Start with TE and switch to TP.
OK: third ON rotation: 40/day dbol, 50/day tren (last inj morning of day 12), 1mg/day adex
Results: Rep PR squat, PR bench, Rep PR for DL BW stays about the same (as planned). Perhaps some body recomp going on. I’ve gone up an inch in the chest, and a half inch in the neck since I started this whole experiment.
Sides: MIGHT have had some night sweats, but we also had a heat wave, so… Also, as I remembered, DBol gave me a bit of backne. Not a lot, but it was not light topical stuff, and I’m not generally prone to body acne at all. I would guess this was due to E2. My nips got a little tingly towards the end.
PCT: I am currently 3 days in. I decided to run 50/day clomid with the 20/day nolva. When compared with the nolva only on previous cycles, if I use t atrophy as a judge, the boys bounced back in under 24 hours. Based on this, I will say that for me, for the 2 on 2 off, Clomid+Nolva > Nolva.
For a valid comparison, one ought to compare comparable dosages.
E.g., let’s call 50 mg/day Clomid 100% of a standard dose.
And 20 mg Nolvadex 100% of a standard dose of that drug.
To conclude that Clomid + Nolvadex is better than Nolvadex alone, comparison to 50 mg of Clomid should be with 25 mg/day Clomid plus 10 mg/day Nolvadex (for total still coming to 100%, or whatever percent is being compared to.)
What you actually showed is that more total drug gave, in this case, more results.
However testicular rebound speed is a very variable thing even within the same person. You might have the exact opposite experience the next time around.
In any case, Clomid and Nolvadex work by the same way for this purpose, so combining them is like combining two different NSAIDs. No point to it: just pick the one you prefer and use the appropriate dose.
I had thought I ran 40/day nolva in the past… looked back at my notes… not the case. Interesting. So you would think I would get the same results at 40/day nolv as 50 clom 20 nolv?
Yes.
Great log and thanks for making it. I am planning on running short cycles myself from now on. When you blow up 20-30 pounds in a couple months everybody knows you’re using gear. Slow(er) and steady is the way to go for some.
I have a question, though. I thought the cycle was supposed to be 2-weeks on, 4-weeks off? I know everyone is a little different, but in general is 2-weeks enough time to fully recover from a 2-week cycle?
^^^^ I’d like to hear more on this question of recovery time also.
^^^^ I’d like to hear more on this question of recovery time also.
From what I have read the new trend is two on two off for three cycles then 4 weeks off