I’m afraid TRT will do little for you with Free T3 on the low end, Free T3 speeds up every organ in the body and mid-range or higher levels is needed for TRT to work. If your doctor had measured the free portion of testosterone, more than likely would have been very low.
You may have to travel to get treatment.
Yeah i used to calculate my free t based on old labs and i think i was around 7-9 so not really high…
but if My trt dose is high enough will i not get high free t regardless of my free t3? Say instead of doing 125mg weekly i go 200 because of my high sbhg and the free t3 problem so i get higher free t?
I use iodized salt but not much, so i might be deficient in iodine aswell, whats the selenium for? Nevertheless i still need trt don’t u think? Just to optimize trt results i also need to optimize thyroid
You’re 19 and you have 432ng/dl and Estrogen 86pg/ml That’s what really concerns me. Thyroid issues can be fixed with diet and such. Your estrogen is way way too high, are you on clomid or Nolva? (Again, selenium helps conversion of T4 to T3).
432 was my test before the newest labs show 384.
What exactly do you mean by estrogen? E2 or e1? E2 so estradiol is under 25 but e1 so estrone is fairly high 193 on range 25-150 why could that be?
I am currently using nolva 10mg daily to gibe me a slight testosterone boost which helps a little, went from zero morning wood to 1-2 very soft erections a week. labs were done before
That’s pretty high but it can be caused by Nolva. I’d say give A-dex a try but that could impact your lipid profile. Many report substantial test increase after using it and low to t normal estrogen level if dosed properly. If you’re willing to test it, start by half a tab E3D. The problem about this is you’ll be juggling Testosterone and Estrogen ratios and it could impact your Lipid Profile. Your free test levels are too low because of SHBG and low T together. Clomid will boost your T and Free Test far more than nolva ever will. Look up the studies on Clomid. The sides are a bitch though. 100mg Clomid will do wonders in 6 weeks time, I’m sure of it. If the sides are too much, try 50mg.
It can’t be caused by nolva because i wasnt using nolva at the time of the labs.
Clomid is a bitch definitely won’t take it since I read too many bad stories on sides. I will most likely start trt asap and start supplementting with selenium and iodine to fix my thyroid. If this combination won’t work i will stay on trt and get some thyroid meds and see if something changes. I really hope it does!!
Any recommendations on iodine and selenium supplementation and on trt protocol since i am high sbhg? Do you think 200mg split into 2 doses a week is good or should i do 150mg a week?
150 a week sounds very good. Should put you on the very high end of Testosterone range. 200 is also good but estrogen might start acting up. As for Iodine and selenium, just add iodized salt to your food and eat selenium containing food (eggs, poultry)… The reason I advised Clomid use is because I tested it once all alone, no cycle or anything, and it bumped my test level from 980 to 1533 (50mg/day), my E2 went up to 29 though. I’ve also read many articles and studies on how big of a boost it is to testosterone and some even substitute TRT with clomid therapy. Anyway, I strongly advice going for TRT. Hang in there and don’t give in to bad thoughts. Keep looking for a doc that you know will prescribe TRT. Ditch this bitch of a doctor. Your Thyroid issues are far easier to address than your T, just get the iodine and selenium in for starters.
Hey I just noticed your LH and FSH are alarmingly low. That explains your low T.
You will get high Free T, but you won’t feel the full effect of it. I expect TRT to take your thyroid to the brink lowering your thyroid hormones as metabolic demand goes up.
Okay so that sounds not good at all :/. Does TRT benefit me at all then or will it make things even worse?
What meds should I take for thyroid maybe I can get them UGL aswell because I will most likely get my test UGL too as I’ve been to my very last urologist and he was the only one who wanted to start me on TrT but his protocol war terrible.
One 250mg shot every 4 weeks. His goal was not to replace my endogenous t production but just boost it. I think thats complete bullshit or am I mistaken? There is no way to boost endogenous production while adding exogenous t… correct?
Correct
So it appears your doctor believes that T-cypionate is a bioidentical hormone that it will add to your natural production, only any amount of exogenous testosterone will break the feedback loop and shut down the HPTA and can make you infertile, it’s the reason why TRT is so difficult to get prescribed.
Your doctor isn’t operating on a full deck of cards and is a idiot! This protocol will not only leave you estrogen dominant for the last couple of weeks, but leave you with almost no testosterone in your system within the last 1-2 weeks.
It would seem your doctor are using imagination in place of actual knowledge. It’s actually quite sad that the patients these days are more educated on the subject of TRT than the doctors.
This is exactly what I told him. Even a small pack of testogel will completely lead to shutdown of own axis.
It hurts it really hurts going from doc to doc and realizing that 6 out of 6 docs so far have absolutely zero knowledge about trt and just talk bullshit. I told that doc too but in a nicer way. He got so insulted when I told him that his protocol is very bad and had given him many reasons, he told me listen kid I am the only one who will do anything for you as u told me u have been to many docs, u either go my route or you leave.
Its exhausting… really exhausting… i am tired i am depressed i am about to kill myself… 2 more urologist in town that I will try out and then I am done. I will either put some ugl underdosed shit into my body or will pay a fortune for bmh but whatever I don’t want to live like that anymore. Most likely go the bmh route, fuck money, fuck everything what does any money matter if u have no will to live?
The only great thing about having a knowledgeable doc is that u know there is someone professional administratoring you and watching out for you… you feel safer… regardless trt is commitment for life and i am scared… but whatever you guys, this community is my doc and will hopefully look out for my
Fuck this healthcare fuck every doc who lets people suffer
It’s more frequently over strength than under. Just to ease your worries a little. And what you need is someone to write you a script and stay out of the way. I wouldn’t argue with the doc, if he’ll prescribe what you need you have everything that you need from him.
bro read again please… he told me he will prescribe me 250mg shot every 4 weeks and he will administer… every idiot knows thats not a protocol but a suicide mission
I understand, he’s a waste of time. I’m talking about whoever else you go see. Don’t argue, they get their backs up like their manhood is being attacked or something. Play the game. Just find somebody to prescribe, you’ll be figuring it out yourself anyway most likely.
See if you can’t make a suggestion to your doctor and attempt to use common sense regarding the half life and that levels need to be elevated 24/7 and not just the first couple of days of the week after an injection. See if you get get an 140mg weekly allowance and split it up once weekly.
Tell your doctor you have spoken to those in your shoes and that these long infrequent injection intervals rarely work. You never know he may listen to reason.
I gave him reasons, i wanted to show him studies I explained everything with common sense but he did not listen… i will try last 2 urologists in town and then i am done…
Anyone ever heard of BM Pharmaceuticals? Thats the UGL stuff I could get my hands on. I am worried until i finally get approved by BMH and then until they ship the test it will take anoter few months and i cant wait that long. But will see, have a call tmrw with the manager about basic questions and then will see if i go that route and book a doc call or go ugl
Dude if your doctor thinks 250mg test e4w will boost your testosterone call the cops on his fake ass. Do not take any sort of meds or advice from the doc. Optimal test levels are 70ng/dl test which is about 100mg test enanthate if you remove the ester and that’s once a week.