OP…Its just performance anxiety. Have a stiff drink to take the edge off, don’t think about it and remember that practice makes perfect.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
I was just curious what you thought on the matter. It seems homosexuality was deemed as natural and enjoyable by most societies until the invention of monotheistic religion like christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.
It seems the reason, at least in my mind, that women are more open to bisexuality in contemporary society is because of the cultural impact of the monotheistic religious doctrine. Men are far more stigmatised for enjoying sex with other men because of the negative connotations that our culture has historically placed upon the act.
In ancient cultures being gay did not detract from your ability as a warrior or to serve as one, nor did it make people question your manhood, your mental health or morality. It seems like we all, including me are held back from even understanding our attractions to other men by culturally reinforced prejudice against it.
I always liked the quote:
“I know this is difficult to comprehend but most of the 300 Greeks who fought at Thermopylae were homosexuals. The problem with that is that for those that were not they probably didnt have battle buddies”[/quote]
Serious question: What societies are you referring to other than the Greeks and Romans when you say “most societies before the invention of monotheistic religion?”
Homosexuality in ancient Greece consisted in large part of men having sex with boys and adolescents. Is that natural too? Does being natural make something good?
Most pre-monotheistic religion societies condoned slavery. Is that natural? Is that good? [/quote]
You have the same understanding as me. Being gay was not bad, being gay and feminine was. I am not saying ancient societies had good, scientifically literate stances on everything. I am just stating being gay was not seen as bad before monotheism.
It was seen as bad to be the one who takes cock, but not because of the homosexuality but because of that role and its relation to the female, subservient, dominated role. That was a negative aspect of their society but more based on the patriarchal notion of power and female gender roles.
For example many Viking warriors who conquered others would rape or castrate them. This was believed to make them easier to control. The vikings who enjoyed fucking men were not seen as wrong for it. Hence why men could openly fuck the person they just conquered and not have it be seen as something worth stigmatising.
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Maybe you’re gay. Have you tried hooking up with a guy to see if you go flaccid before intercourse?
The fact that it’s now happened with two girls would point to an internally conflicted sexuality.
[/quote]
Do you subscribe to the idea that most humans are bisexual? [/quote]
Short answer, no.
Long answer, no.
How do you define bisexual? By the way people self-identify? By past sexual encounters? By sexual attraction only? By romantic attraction?
fwiw, I do believe that there’s a small but significant portion of the population who are what I would call “bisexual but heteroamorous”. In other words, they may be able to have same sex sexual encounters but get the emotional security needed for a romantic relationship from the opposite sex. Situational homosexuality would fall into this group (men in prison, girls in college, Green Bay Packer’s locker room, etc…)
I also believe that women’s sexuality is more fluid than men’s. I read about a study once where they looked at sexual identity and testosterone levels. High test levels in men was very polarizing: the guys were either very gay or very straight. However, high test levels in women moved them towards bisexuality.
So, to say that most people are bisexual, if by bisexual you mean open to having a relationship with the same sex doesn’t jibe with my experience.
I find the whole topic interesting because it’s something I’ve always taken for granted. The idea that some would need to figure out their sexuality is very foreign to me.
[/quote]
Fluid huh? If I was to say that no one, man or woman is bi or gay only unsound of mind that would be a political and world issue so that’s not something I’m necessarily saying. Just putting that out there.
[/quote]
Are all the other species which have exclusively gay animals who clearly have same sex gender preferences also mentally unsound or is homosexuality part of natural diversity?
http://www.amazon.com/Biological-Exuberance-Homosexuality-Diversity-Stonewall/dp/031225377X[/quote]
And bonobos fuck their children up the arse so where does that leave us? Yes, I know a lot of people are into that stuff but I don’t accept it. And I hate when crazy nymphos ask you to do it. Big NO! No thank you very much.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Maybe you’re gay. Have you tried hooking up with a guy to see if you go flaccid before intercourse?
The fact that it’s now happened with two girls would point to an internally conflicted sexuality.
[/quote]
Do you subscribe to the idea that most humans are bisexual? [/quote]
Short answer, no.
Long answer, no.
How do you define bisexual? By the way people self-identify? By past sexual encounters? By sexual attraction only? By romantic attraction?
fwiw, I do believe that there’s a small but significant portion of the population who are what I would call “bisexual but heteroamorous”. In other words, they may be able to have same sex sexual encounters but get the emotional security needed for a romantic relationship from the opposite sex. Situational homosexuality would fall into this group (men in prison, girls in college, Green Bay Packer’s locker room, etc…)
I also believe that women’s sexuality is more fluid than men’s. I read about a study once where they looked at sexual identity and testosterone levels. High test levels in men was very polarizing: the guys were either very gay or very straight. However, high test levels in women moved them towards bisexuality.
So, to say that most people are bisexual, if by bisexual you mean open to having a relationship with the same sex doesn’t jibe with my experience.
I find the whole topic interesting because it’s something I’ve always taken for granted. The idea that some would need to figure out their sexuality is very foreign to me.
[/quote]
Fluid huh? If I was to say that no one, man or woman is bi or gay only unsound of mind that would be a political and world issue so that’s not something I’m necessarily saying. Just putting that out there.
[/quote]
Are all the other species which have exclusively gay animals who clearly have same sex gender preferences also mentally unsound or is homosexuality part of natural diversity?
http://www.amazon.com/Biological-Exuberance-Homosexuality-Diversity-Stonewall/dp/031225377X[/quote]
And bonobos fuck their children up the arse so where does that leave us? Yes, I know a lot of people are into that stuff but I don’t accept it. And I hate when crazy nymphos ask you to do it. Big NO! No thank you very much.
[/quote]
How does a grown man entering in a voluntary relationship with another grown man affect you? How does that natural act impact you or society? Bonobos eat food too, where does that leave us?
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Maybe you’re gay. Have you tried hooking up with a guy to see if you go flaccid before intercourse?
The fact that it’s now happened with two girls would point to an internally conflicted sexuality.
[/quote]
Do you subscribe to the idea that most humans are bisexual? [/quote]
Short answer, no.
Long answer, no.
How do you define bisexual? By the way people self-identify? By past sexual encounters? By sexual attraction only? By romantic attraction?
fwiw, I do believe that there’s a small but significant portion of the population who are what I would call “bisexual but heteroamorous”. In other words, they may be able to have same sex sexual encounters but get the emotional security needed for a romantic relationship from the opposite sex. Situational homosexuality would fall into this group (men in prison, girls in college, Green Bay Packer’s locker room, etc…)
I also believe that women’s sexuality is more fluid than men’s. I read about a study once where they looked at sexual identity and testosterone levels. High test levels in men was very polarizing: the guys were either very gay or very straight. However, high test levels in women moved them towards bisexuality.
So, to say that most people are bisexual, if by bisexual you mean open to having a relationship with the same sex doesn’t jibe with my experience.
I find the whole topic interesting because it’s something I’ve always taken for granted. The idea that some would need to figure out their sexuality is very foreign to me.
[/quote]
Fluid huh? If I was to say that no one, man or woman is bi or gay only unsound of mind that would be a political and world issue so that’s not something I’m necessarily saying. Just putting that out there.
[/quote]
Are all the other species which have exclusively gay animals who clearly have same sex gender preferences also mentally unsound or is homosexuality part of natural diversity?
http://www.amazon.com/Biological-Exuberance-Homosexuality-Diversity-Stonewall/dp/031225377X[/quote]
And bonobos fuck their children up the arse so where does that leave us? Yes, I know a lot of people are into that stuff but I don’t accept it. And I hate when crazy nymphos ask you to do it. Big NO! No thank you very much.
[/quote]
How does a grown man entering in a voluntary relationship with another grown man affect you? How does that natural act impact you or society? Bonobos eat food too, where does that leave us?[/quote]
I’m going to pass on this.
Dear OP
masturbate before you see your lady friend next time. It takes the edge off, and might make you last longer.
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only on TNation does something simple turn into a debate about evolution.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
only on TNation does something simple turn into a debate about evolution.
[/quote]
Seriously, Vikings castration…Sparta a society of exclusive pitchers…
OP,(sorry OP) maybe your swole legs have made your jeans to tight which has cut off the Test flow from your knees (cause that is where the test is produced which is why you have to always squat past parallel) causing low test and ED. So, buy better jeans, squat ATG, and bang.
[quote]Canuck88 wrote:
Please help me out![/quote]
We really can’t. If you’re sure you aren’t actually gay and pretending, and your dick gets hard otherwise, it is purely because you’re scared.
Now, because I’m in a shitty mood I’m going to come right out and say if you’re scared, stop being a fucking pussy. Billions of men before you have disappointed women tens of billions of times. You won’t be the first, and there is always the chance you’ll actually be good at it.
Stop worrying about it. Go down on her or some shit first to get her hot (or finish if she isn’t too uptight) and then give it your best shot. Worst case you really suck, which just means you need more practice.
Forget who said it (and I don’t feel like scrolling back through to find it), but try having her either give you a hand job or blow job to completion. Maybe it’s just the idea of actually having sex/orgasming in front of another person that is causing the issue. You mentioned it has happened with another girl before, are these the only two girls you have been with, or have you been with other girls with no issues?
Biggest thing is to get out of your head and be in the moment, but that’s easy to say when you’re not the one having the issue. Once it becomes an issue, I am sure that is all you can think about, especially in the moment.
Regardless, good luck.
Have you talked to her about why you go limp?
[quote]boatguy wrote:
Forget who said it (and I don’t feel like scrolling back through to find it), but try having her either give you a hand job or blow job to completion. [/quote]
I’d say that being more focused on her finishing is going to be the best distraction. And the more you’re worried about her enjoying it, the less you’ll be thinking about your dick rubbering.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Go down on her or some shit first to get her hot [/quote]
^ this for everything relating to sex with women. Knock one out for her before you start fucking.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Go down on her or some shit first to get her hot [/quote]
^ this for everything relating to sex with women. Knock one out for her before you start fucking. [/quote]
Yeah, it real does solve like 80% of any real or perceived bedroom issue.
Plus she’ll brag to her friends and they will want to fuck you if she dumps you.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Have you talked to her about why you go limp?[/quote]
Pretty sure she’s worried and blaming herself for being unattractive, if OP wants anything else to consider while plowing.
When i was with my last girl, after pleasuring her first i got it on and we did the deed. But i think i need to focus on pleasuring this girl and hear her enjoy it then i can become more comfortable. Thank you for all of you input!
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Go down on her or some shit first to get her hot [/quote]
^ this for everything relating to sex with women. Knock one out for her before you start fucking. [/quote]
Yeah, it real does solve like 80% of any real or perceived bedroom issue.
Plus she’ll brag to her friends and they will want to fuck you if she dumps you. [/quote]
Thanks guys
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Have you talked to her about why you go limp?[/quote]
I’ve told her about it, she’s understanding and is really good about it.