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My stomach was notably larger for about two and a half weeks. I was starting to wonder if I should wear a weight belt during my olympic lifts to reduce oblique widening, and then POOF. Over the course of a few days, about 2 and half weeks later, my core shrank until my V was back.

Yeah, i was thinking it might be worth staying on GH for the future just so I can retain my gains better. And I know I should look this up to verify, but I though GH made you able to effectively use more steroids, I did not think that it potentiated their affects however.

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[quote]butthole69 wrote:
My stomach was notably larger for about two and a half weeks. I was starting to wonder if I should wear a weight belt during my olympic lifts to reduce oblique widening, and then POOF. Over the course of a few days, about 2 and half weeks later, my core shrank until my V was back.

Yeah, i was thinking it might be worth staying on GH for the future just so I can retain my gains better. And I know I should look this up to verify, but I though GH made you able to effectively use more steroids, I did not think that it potentiated their affects however.[/quote]

From what I can deduce, GH recruits satellite cells to differentiate into myogenic cells/skeletal muscle cells (amongst other cells) which AAS cannot do. The AAS then help hypertrophy of these new cells.
There may be other biochemical pathways in which AAS and GH are directly related that maybe someone might know and can add.

On a side note, instead of creating a new thread I will just ask in this thread.
Can anyone tell me what the best time of day is to inject GH IM? Does the dose of 8iu need to be split, if so into how many shots? I understand FFA are liberated around 75mins post-injection, so I believe for fatloss one should inject around 75mins pre-workout to burn these off and for muscle growth one could inject immediately pre-workout so FFA are ready to be used for post-workout?
The goal is muscle growth.

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interesting thread is interesting…

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[quote]INTERNETWARLORD wrote:
$100 a kit? Yeah right dude that shit is probably insulin. Wtf are you doing shooting growth hormone at 18 years old anyways you realize that shit will bomb your natural levels right? And you can only get a tangible benefit if you are suppressing your levels with the stuff for 6+ months at a time so no short cycles to minimize damage…[/quote]

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]butthole69 wrote:
My stomach was notably larger for about two and a half weeks. I was starting to wonder if I should wear a weight belt during my olympic lifts to reduce oblique widening, and then POOF. Over the course of a few days, about 2 and half weeks later, my core shrank until my V was back.

Yeah, i was thinking it might be worth staying on GH for the future just so I can retain my gains better. And I know I should look this up to verify, but I though GH made you able to effectively use more steroids, I did not think that it potentiated their affects however.[/quote]
Somatostatin?

BBB[/quote]

I would be offput if my bloating was due to high somatostatin levels rather than 100mcg of igtropin ED! That would really complicate things.

It doesn’t make sense that somatostatin levels would have been so high when my GH dosing was lower, because I no longer have a bloated midsection since I upped it. It is feasible though since somatostatin is released as a result of high circulating levels of GH (or an insulin spike).

Even so, if my gastrin flatlined as a result of somatostatin, I think I would have noticed that the cosby kids were no longer going to the pool 3-4 times a day.

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[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:

[quote]butthole69 wrote:
My stomach was notably larger for about two and a half weeks. I was starting to wonder if I should wear a weight belt during my olympic lifts to reduce oblique widening, and then POOF. Over the course of a few days, about 2 and half weeks later, my core shrank until my V was back.

Yeah, i was thinking it might be worth staying on GH for the future just so I can retain my gains better. And I know I should look this up to verify, but I though GH made you able to effectively use more steroids, I did not think that it potentiated their affects however.[/quote]

From what I can deduce, GH recruits satellite cells to differentiate into myogenic cells/skeletal muscle cells (amongst other cells) which AAS cannot do. The AAS then help hypertrophy of these new cells.
There may be other biochemical pathways in which AAS and GH are directly related that maybe someone might know and can add.

On a side note, instead of creating a new thread I will just ask in this thread.
Can anyone tell me what the best time of day is to inject GH IM? Does the dose of 8iu need to be split, if so into how many shots? I understand FFA are liberated around 75mins post-injection, so I believe for fatloss one should inject around 75mins pre-workout to burn these off and for muscle growth one could inject immediately pre-workout so FFA are ready to be used for post-workout?
The goal is muscle growth.
[/quote]

Isn’t the process you are describing hyperplasia, stimulated by IGF-1? Certain AAS also raise IGF-1 levels…

It was stated earlier on this thread that GH dosing should be split up throughout the day.
I don’t get too picky with the time. I just spread 10ius evenly throughout 4 injections.

Ok the phrase I keep hearing thrown around about “HGH and testosterone synergy” is an “increased shuttling of nutrients”. I have also heard that they have a positive effective on number/sensitivity? of androgen receptors.

So either way I’m staying on GH. I am going to switch to Hygetropin or Taitropin though because after trying my other brand (white diamond by diamond pharma), The Kigtropin is not worth buying even if it is cheap as shit.

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Bummer I have not posted in forever on account of the vast majority of the memebers hear having transformed into obnoxious dickbags with little to nothing of value to say. However I saw the title then saw my boy BBB joined in and figured lets take a look. First page drew me in, second page got a little dickish and by the third it’s almost total dickbaggery.

Butthole, cool screen name and you appear to be a very smart kid. Take it easy and remember it’s not a sprint it a marathon.

BBB good advice and insight as usual. I do have one question though? What supplement/PED do you take to still have a tolerance level high enough to deal with such a level of dickbaggery that’s found here? I assume something combo of nootropics and cortisol suppressors? :wink:

Insulin comment guy. He has been using hgh for quite awhile now. If it was slin he would be dead or in a come. Now had you said hcg?? Then your sceptisism might seem less like just outright dickery.

BTW yes kits can cost around $100 bucks.

As for the wrists it’s hard for me to say…might wanna try the ez curl bar or throw some fat gripz on there…or both. Fat gripz are the shit. Keep up the good work young buck and congrats on being more intelligent then 100% of the people your age and tens years older even, in terms of PED use.

I do also recall reading somewher that ghrp use “may” help in terms of the body making it’s own gh pulses hence it’s use after a long/aggressive run of hgh. Weather or not I think that’s even neccessary I do not really know. I am a little behind in my research…in fact Bushy is starting to sound so friggin smart I feel like I am on Dat’s forum when he speaks and I am afraid to even post LOL.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]butthole69 wrote:

[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

[quote]butthole69 wrote:
My stomach was notably larger for about two and a half weeks. I was starting to wonder if I should wear a weight belt during my olympic lifts to reduce oblique widening, and then POOF. Over the course of a few days, about 2 and half weeks later, my core shrank until my V was back.

Yeah, i was thinking it might be worth staying on GH for the future just so I can retain my gains better. And I know I should look this up to verify, but I though GH made you able to effectively use more steroids, I did not think that it potentiated their affects however.[/quote]
Somatostatin?

BBB[/quote]

I would be offput if my bloating was due to high somatostatin levels rather than 100mcg of igtropin ED! That would really complicate things.

It doesn’t make sense that somatostatin levels would have been so high when my GH dosing was lower, because I no longer have a bloated midsection since I upped it. It is feasible though since somatostatin is released as a result of high circulating levels of GH (or an insulin spike).

Even so, if my gastrin flatlined as a result of somatostatin, I think I would have noticed that the cosby kids were no longer going to the pool 3-4 times a day.[/quote]

Excellent chain of reasoning and level of understanding, well done!

FYI: I use G6 primarliy to inhibit somatostatin whilst on exo GH. Also because endo GH has all the isoforms of GH, rather than just the 22kDa. But primarily for the somatostatin effect.

BBB[/quote]

Weren’t you one of the first people to actually use GHRP-6 to suppress somatostatin? If you are still doing it then I will begin to as well.

I never even took the time to think about the difference between isoforms 20-24 although I know they are released in a number of distinct ratios. If exogenous GH only contains 22 kDa wouldn’t that imply that GHRP is actually more effective because since by stimulating your pituitary instead of “replacing it” you would continue to pulse GH in said ratios thereby mimicking the adolescent pituitary more closely?

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[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Bummer I have not posted in forever on account of the vast majority of the memebers hear having transformed into obnoxious dickbags with little to nothing of value to say. However I saw the title then saw my boy BBB joined in and figured lets take a look. First page drew me in, second page got a little dickish and by the third it’s almost total dickbaggery.

Butthole, cool screen name and you appear to be a very smart kid. Take it easy and remember it’s not a sprint it a marathon.

BBB good advice and insight as usual. I do have one question though? What supplement/PED do you take to still have a tolerance level high enough to deal with such a level of dickbaggery that’s found here? I assume something combo of nootropics and cortisol suppressors? :wink:

Insulin comment guy. He has been using hgh for quite awhile now. If it was slin he would be dead or in a come. Now had you said hcg?? Then your sceptisism might seem less like just outright dickery.

BTW yes kits can cost around $100 bucks.

As for the wrists it’s hard for me to say…might wanna try the ez curl bar or throw some fat gripz on there…or both. Fat gripz are the shit. Keep up the good work young buck and congrats on being more intelligent then 100% of the people your age and tens years older even, in terms of PED use.

I do also recall reading somewher that ghrp use “may” help in terms of the body making it’s own gh pulses hence it’s use after a long/aggressive run of hgh. Weather or not I think that’s even neccessary I do not really know. I am a little behind in my research…in fact Bushy is starting to sound so friggin smart I feel like I am on Dat’s forum when he speaks and I am afraid to even post LOL.[/quote]

Thank you. The part about the marathon really is the only approach to take with GH. I will keep that in mind. I tend to think in terms of all-or-nothing, which is the wrong approach to performance enhancement.

You are right about these threads having changed. When I read the veteran threads it’s like a dialogue between sages!

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I’ve read your other posts and I was wondering if you planned on continuing this? I thought the idea to demonstrate the effects of GH on an 18 year old was interesting, and potentially very beneficial. I wish you hadn’t began to cycle AAS, however… skews the experiment quite a bit. My familiarity with peptides is limited, however from what I am aware of, there are no tangible negative effects when administered to individuals still producing hormones at an optimal level. Legitimate quantification of not only sides but results would’ve been a cool thing

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Butthole, just wondering about how much money have you spent on everything that you’ve been putting into your body during this cycle? from what i’ve read it sounds like quite a bit. When i was 18 i could barely find enough money just to buy the monthly protein and preworkout haha.

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[quote]butthole69 wrote:
I am running it for 8 months. And I’m pretty sure it’s legit, everything about its appearance checks out and all my buddies are getting results. My buddies are quite a bit older though. I have some more expensive GH that I have yet to open and I can always get the Jintropin if I try it and it works better.

Obviously I don’t have Saizen, but please don’t insult me by saying I am buying Insulin. I think I would know. At the same time, these comments are expected in such an outlandish thread.

As for bombing my GH levels, I am pretty sure lazy pituitaries are a condition you are born with so once I stop the GH I don’t believe that will be a problem.

Why am I doing it at 18? At the very least, when other 18 year-olds google “gh at 18”, they will be able to see what happens. Any permanent improvements to my physique in the bodybuilding sense would be welcome of course.

A little update: I have throbbing pain in my palms today. I am having a hard time deciding if it’s from killing it on olympic bar curls (they hurt the wrists a little) or GH sides. I’ll know soon enough.[/quote]

Just my 2cents: I did the BBB protocol with HGH, 4UI E3D divided in 2 doses, did AAS and SLIN too, and gained 15 solid pounds of muscle in 3 months which i kept until today (10 months from then)

The thing is, I couldnt continue with the protocol any longer because CTS started to hit heavy. numbness on my fingers ever f*cking night, and even some pain due to CTS during training. After I discontinued the HGH CTS went away but then my little and ring finger started to get numb. thats called Cubital tunnel syndrome; its similar to CarpalTS but is another nerve beeing compressed, from the neck down the elbow and the finishing on the outer side of the wrist and on the little fingers.

Until today i still get numbness on these fingers from time to time when asleep. I think the HGh just aggravated an existent pre-disposition of me getting nerves compressed and/or inflamed.

Anyway, things that can help you during the cycle to prevent or minimize these sides:
Aldactone: Helps reduce HGH induced high levels of Aldosterolone which makes you retain water.
Another hormone that increases with HGH use is ADH, Anti Diuretic Hormone. and its one of the causes of elevated BP during cycle or increased bloating and nerve compression leading to numb hands and forearms.
Watch your intake of sodium, too.

I just wanted to mention all of this stuff that happened to me because no one seems to have any sides besides only a few that suffer from CTS, but the truth is, for some of us only 2-4 UI E3D can become intolerable due to the strenght of this hormone. If you start having severe numbness at night or HBP, analize this possibilities which are clearly one of the main risks of HGH, and maybe a mild diuretic can help. its your task to research!

When i got off the HGH, i suffered from mental fog and was sleepy all day, maybe due to increased prolactin. have cabergoline on hand if those syntoms appear.

HGH is a very potent hormone that acts silently and slow but the muscle gain and the quality is something you will never loose, and it seems for me that after BBB HGH protocol i can keep muscle much easier even with a restricted calorie diet. (does this even makes sense??)

And my final though: I dont think that the fact that you are young makes any difference on how you feel the HGH working, because nobody at any age produces that high dose (5- 10 UIs) im not sure and please anybody correct me if im wrong, but the average producting of HGH of a young healthy male is 1,5 UI/day. so common sense tells us that any dose above that will have an inpact on you,doesnt matter if your are “feeling it” or not.

Maybe if your are at an age where you dont even produce the average 1,5 UI/day, then you will feel better day after day with exo HGH, but at your age, there wont be any noticeable changes in your sense of well being due to HGH. The only thing you can feel in the short run are the sides (im telling you this by personal experience, LOL)

BUT if you tolerate them(and know how to handle them) or are not pre disposed to any kind of nerve compressions, you will get a big return with this investment.

Hope this info helps!

Cheers bro and congrats on your physique. Unbeliavable you are only 18.

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[quote]Pilosox wrote:
Anyway, things that can help you during the cycle to prevent or minimize these sides:
Aldactone: Helps reduce HGH induced high levels of Aldosterolone which makes you retain water.
[/quote]
Aldactone aka Spironolactone from Wikipedia:

“Because spironolactone reduces the body’s production of testosterone and also blocks its testosterone receptors, in men it can cause gynecomastia, impotence, erectile dysfunction, loss of sex drive and other conditions such as reduction of muscle mass, fatigue and physical weakness which are also generally associated with low testosterone levels and hypogonadism in males. For this reason, men are not typically prescribed spironolactone for any longer than a short period of time as for acute heart failure.”

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[quote]Lurxalot wrote:

[quote]Pilosox wrote:
Anyway, things that can help you during the cycle to prevent or minimize these sides:
Aldactone: Helps reduce HGH induced high levels of Aldosterolone which makes you retain water.
[/quote]
Aldactone aka Spironolactone from Wikipedia:

“Because spironolactone reduces the body’s production of testosterone and also blocks its testosterone receptors, in men it can cause gynecomastia, impotence, erectile dysfunction, loss of sex drive and other conditions such as reduction of muscle mass, fatigue and physical weakness which are also generally associated with low testosterone levels and hypogonadism in males. For this reason, men are not typically prescribed spironolactone for any longer than a short period of time as for acute heart failure.”[/quote]

I was going to give Pilosox props but they now go to you!

I would rather discontinue GH use if sides are intolerable than use something that does what spironolactone can do.

Anyway, yes I plan to continue this log. Unfortunately my wallet suffered an adverse reaction and is now empty. Until I get a better job, its just AAS for me.

Also, I was wondering if BBB had anything to say about one of my last posts in this thread about the effects of different isoforms of GH since he said exo gh was restricted to 22kda.

I have spent about $1500 on gear, profiteered slightly, putting the total at about 1,250$. Ridiculous right? Thats what happens when your impatient and bulk order from scammers several times

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[quote]Lurxalot wrote:

[quote]Pilosox wrote:
Anyway, things that can help you during the cycle to prevent or minimize these sides:
Aldactone: Helps reduce HGH induced high levels of Aldosterolone which makes you retain water.
[/quote]
Aldactone aka Spironolactone from Wikipedia:

“Because spironolactone reduces the body’s production of testosterone and also blocks its testosterone receptors, in men it can cause gynecomastia, impotence, erectile dysfunction, loss of sex drive and other conditions such as reduction of muscle mass, fatigue and physical weakness which are also generally associated with low testosterone levels and hypogonadism in males. For this reason, men are not typically prescribed spironolactone for any longer than a short period of time as for acute heart failure.”[/quote]

“”“reduces the body’s production of testosterone”“”
As he is using AAS we asume he is not producing any, and indeed has a ton of exo test floating around, spironolactone clearly has its place in reducing sides from GH induced nerve compression.

Spironolactone is in fact an androgen blocker, but its specifically an ALDOSTERONE blocker, which goes completly out of range in some GH users; and this manifests in excess water retention leading to CTS and other severe complications.
50mg/Day wont give you negative Anti-Androgen sides, but will help keep ALDO at normal range.

““men are not typically prescribed spironolactone for any longer than a short period of time””

You are not a typical men if you inject AAS and GH. Is should be used only if needed and obiously discontinued after the GH cycle. It IS a SHORT period of time.

If not using GH, then Spironolactone is out of question IMO.
If using AAS and GH, I dont think the adition of it would minimize cycle gains, at least it didnt happen to me, but in fact helped a lot with wrist pain and extreme GH induced bloating.

““with low testosterone levels and hypogonadism””
You are already in a state of hypogonadism, so it wont make any difference to your health in a negative way.

““acute heart failure””
Thats exactly what extemely high ADH and ALDOSTERONE do, via increased BP due to the inability of the body to drain electrolites(hormonal imbalance).

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[quote]butthole69 wrote:

[quote]Lurxalot wrote:

[quote]Pilosox wrote:
Anyway, things that can help you during the cycle to prevent or minimize these sides:
Aldactone: Helps reduce HGH induced high levels of Aldosterolone which makes you retain water.
[/quote]
Aldactone aka Spironolactone from Wikipedia:

“Because spironolactone reduces the body’s production of testosterone and also blocks its testosterone receptors, in men it can cause gynecomastia, impotence, erectile dysfunction, loss of sex drive and other conditions such as reduction of muscle mass, fatigue and physical weakness which are also generally associated with low testosterone levels and hypogonadism in males. For this reason, men are not typically prescribed spironolactone for any longer than a short period of time as for acute heart failure.”[/quote]

I was going to give Pilosox props but they now go to you!

I would rather discontinue GH use if sides are intolerable than use something that does what spironolactone can do.

Anyway, yes I plan to continue this log. Unfortunately my wallet suffered an adverse reaction and is now empty. Until I get a better job, its just AAS for me.

Also, I was wondering if BBB had anything to say about one of my last posts in this thread about the effects of different isoforms of GH since he said exo gh was restricted to 22kda.

I have spent about $1500 on gear, profiteered slightly, putting the total at about 1,250$. Ridiculous right? Thats what happens when your impatient and bulk order from scammers several times
[/quote]

I think that all your effort and money spent on GH will yield better or optimal results if you manage to stay on it as long as possible, say 6 months (only if you have the money, lol)
Give spironolactone a chance to help you if you suffer from any water retention-induced pain.
other diuretics may help also, if you are afraid of SPIRO.
Look for a little more info about this before neglecting it, as it is a must have stack for many GH sensitive users.

As for the prices, here in Chile the cheaper GH you get is Norditropin, which costs 300 USD/ 45 UI. Now thats fucked. the good part is that you can buy it legally, on pharmacies and without script. lol.