[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]butthole69 wrote:
Technically, it would absorb slower, but I guess it would not matter unless it was suspension.[/quote]
Prove it!
BBB[/quote]
talking out of my bum as usual! Numerous successful blogs out there with sub q test suspension.
my only qualm would be that sub q shots are supposed to be of particularly small volume.
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]butthole69 wrote:
[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
I have had some painless prop. It varies brand to brand. [/quote]
Thanks, I was beginning to wonder if I was shooting EVO or something.
Tons of places I read about prop or quad shots people bitch about not being able to train its so bad. Lucky me.[/quote]
Are you experiencing any gyno from the GH? My nips are SO puffy, no hard lumps underneath but they are very puffy.
It could be from Trib mind you, BBB? VT? Any idea of how to combat it? Im guessing if its from the Trib nolva will help but if its GH gyno im lost.
EDIT: Sorry I shouldnt have called it ‘gyno’ as there is no breast tissue present, just mad pain-in-the-ass-cant-wear-white-tshirt puffiness.[/quote]
There is a thread on some website that recommends bromo, cabergoline, or letro for GH gyno which seems to be related to prolactin issues. Apparently nolva will actually make it worse.
I have no gyno. I just started using 10ius e3d, now that I am at the threshold dose for BBB’s protocol, maybe I’ll see some marked effects. On another note, if I do get gyno I really hope it’s from the AAS I am running or I’m going to get a fat “I told you test e solo was the best 1st cycle” from everyone as I pathetically scramble from arimidex to bromo to letro
[quote]butthole69 wrote:
[quote]Singhbuilder wrote:
[quote]butthole69 wrote:
[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
I have had some painless prop. It varies brand to brand. [/quote]
Thanks, I was beginning to wonder if I was shooting EVO or something.
Tons of places I read about prop or quad shots people bitch about not being able to train its so bad. Lucky me.[/quote]
Are you experiencing any gyno from the GH? My nips are SO puffy, no hard lumps underneath but they are very puffy.
It could be from Trib mind you, BBB? VT? Any idea of how to combat it? Im guessing if its from the Trib nolva will help but if its GH gyno im lost.
EDIT: Sorry I shouldnt have called it ‘gyno’ as there is no breast tissue present, just mad pain-in-the-ass-cant-wear-white-tshirt puffiness.[/quote]
There is a thread on some website that recommends bromo, cabergoline, or letro for GH gyno which seems to be related to prolactin issues. Apparently nolva will actually make it worse.
I have no gyno. I just started using 10ius e3d, now that I am at the threshold dose for BBB’s protocol, maybe I’ll see some marked effects. On another note, if I do get gyno I really hope it’s from the AAS I am running or I’m going to get a fat “I told you test e solo was the best 1st cycle” from everyone as I pathetically scramble from arimidex to bromo to letro
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I just read not to long ago an old thread about a guy that had gyno pop up he was using tren,gh and various other AAS and he added an AI I think aromasin and then added nolva it actually got worse.I think the culprit was Prolactin
I didnt read it at length and I cant remember where it was but if I find it I will pm a link to ya for your reading pleasure,might answer a few questions for you.
butt, hope you dont mind me asking here as you might be able to use this info in the future…
is GH more cost efficient than GHRP6/Mod GRF combo? in the “GHRP6 Advice” thread one poster said
"Consider using cjc-1295 at an equal dose with your ghrp-6 at the same time. A friend of mine has been doing a lot of reading/looking around in medical journals and I’ve been looking at what he’s found. As BBB said ghrp-6 will generally give you a pulse of around .75-1.5 IU gh, but with cjc-1295 paired with the ghrp-6 they are seeing pulses equivalent to 7.5+ IU’s of GH. You dose that 2-3x a day and yah… "
that sounds too good to be true. 7.5+ IU’s per dose?!?! what do you think about that BBB?
again, butt if you dont want this in your thread let me know and i will remove this post
[quote]butthole69 wrote:
And I already cut carbs under 5 grams after 7 pm, creating a 13-14 hour period without them.[/quote]
i would seriously rethink this
this protocol should not and does not apply to you
[quote]doombunney wrote:
[quote]butthole69 wrote:
And I already cut carbs under 5 grams after 7 pm, creating a 13-14 hour period without them.[/quote]
i would seriously rethink this
this protocol should not and does not apply to you
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Honestly, I started doing this before the GH. I eat so many clean carbs that if I eat them after 7 it clogs me up and I have trouble sleeping. Obviously, for most people this is less desirable than just cooking my grains a little longer so I can digest them, BUT at my age my GH should be very high naturally while I sleep so given the anti catabolic properties of GH, this should really just yield a cleaner bulk despite calories being upwards of 5000.
[quote]Lurxalot wrote:
butt, hope you dont mind me asking here as you might be able to use this info in the future…
is GH more cost efficient than GHRP6/Mod GRF combo? in the “GHRP6 Advice” thread one poster said
"Consider using cjc-1295 at an equal dose with your ghrp-6 at the same time. A friend of mine has been doing a lot of reading/looking around in medical journals and I’ve been looking at what he’s found. As BBB said ghrp-6 will generally give you a pulse of around .75-1.5 IU gh, but with cjc-1295 paired with the ghrp-6 they are seeing pulses equivalent to 7.5+ IU’s of GH. You dose that 2-3x a day and yah… "
that sounds too good to be true. 7.5+ IU’s per dose?!?! what do you think about that BBB?
again, butt if you dont want this in your thread let me know and i will remove this post :)[/quote]
I am very pleased to have this in my thread actually. Why would i want it removed… wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of these threads?
Yes, I have also read that the combination of the two yield much better results for less. I use GH for the sake of only having to use one chemical, and if I up the GH to the point that it is too expensive I will surely switch
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I very much disbelieve that a combo of GHRP + CJC would yield 7.5iu of GH, but I’m more than happy to be proven wrong
BBB[/quote]
And even if it COULD yield 7.5 iu’s, is it consistent? who knows not me.
@Butt
just making sure man, some people dont take too kindly to thread de-railments 
@BBB
thats what i thought… any way according to god himself
"It is well documented and established that the concurrent administration of Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone (GHRH) and a Growth Hormone Releasing Peptide (GHRP-6, GHRP-2 or Hexarelin) results in synergistic release of GH from pituitary stores.
In other words if GHRH contributes a GH amount quantified as the number 2 and GHRPs contributed a GH amount quantified as the number 4 the total GH release is not additive (i.e. 2 + 4 = 6). Rather the whole is greater than the sum of the parts such that 2 + 4 = 10."
(-DatBtru )
and IIRC a G6 saturation will on average illicit a 1.125 IU release of GH. so if Dat used the above numbers in the literal sense then the GHRH (Mod GRF of CJC) will illicit a 0.5625 (1.125/2)
so there is 1.125IU + 0.5625IU = 1.6875 IU BUT since they are synergistic, in Dat’s model above the combination caused a 40% increase in the GH secretion
so 1.6875IU X 1.4 = 2.3625 IU of HGH…
thoughts anyone, lol
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]doombunney wrote:
[quote]butthole69 wrote:
And I already cut carbs under 5 grams after 7 pm, creating a 13-14 hour period without them.[/quote]
i would seriously rethink this
this protocol should not and does not apply to you
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Whilst I suspect OP might have meant 50, not 5, why should he rethink his approach?
BBB[/quote]
minimizing potential gain and use of gh. one of the best gifts of gh is the ability to for body to utilize glucose much more efficiently and in a greater capacity than normal. provided posters statement that his diet is dialed in (in regards to quality of foods/starches) and his obvious desire for mass gain it would be a disservice to limit carbs a)after a certain time b)to the amount of around 500 or so… judging by looks alone poster has excellent tolerance to sugar already, use of substances listed will exponentially compound this…
[quote]doombunney wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]doombunney wrote:
[quote]butthole69 wrote:
And I already cut carbs under 5 grams after 7 pm, creating a 13-14 hour period without them.[/quote]
i would seriously rethink this
this protocol should not and does not apply to you
[/quote]
Whilst I suspect OP might have meant 50, not 5, why should he rethink his approach?
BBB[/quote]
minimizing potential gain and use of gh. one of the best gifts of gh is the ability to for body to utilize glucose much more efficiently and in a greater capacity than normal. provided posters statement that his diet is dialed in (in regards to quality of foods/starches) and his obvious desire for mass gain it would be a disservice to limit carbs a)after a certain time b)to the amount of around 500 or so… judging by looks alone poster has excellent tolerance to sugar already, use of substances listed will exponentially compound this…
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When I need to, I will add a full meal at 9 o’clock, but I really dont think cutting my carbs for 14 hours vs 12 hours makes that much of a difference
It is quite a leap to say I am minimizing my potential gain by cutting carbs a few hours before u would. Rather, I am strategically avoiding an insulin spike before bed. BUT, you make a good point about the glucose related effects of GH. In other words I am not scared of adding the meal and I will when it is necessitated.
Which brings me to another point. I have yet to notice anything in the way of effects/sides from the GH.
I am using 10iu’s e3d as of a few days ago. This is week 4. I am guessing i should just wait.
Today was day 4 on prop and dbol. Nothing yet.
My weight is going up now. Fat along with muscle, nothing special
GH is definitely something I am interested in experimenting with in the near future. But I have so much to research and learn about it…GH was something I thought I would never mess with.
Not to hijack this thread, but BBB, you still look at PMs?
to poster; was not aware you were going to bed at 9, not usual at all especially at your age. i have never gone to sleep before midnight so i understand now however your reasoning honestly did came across as something different.
to bbb or whatever you want to be called. im aware of how you (and a lot of people) love their documents and studies… yes im aware of everything you have posted, and i could probably find just as many studies that prove the opposite of any report or study given on any topic… to a certain extent they are garbage. and i have never seen a study yet that has anything comparable to a bodybuilder or elite athlete using exo sub though i would really like to, i have a feeling it would read differently…anyway i would have thought you would have known what i was saying about ability to process glucose more efficiently in presence of gh. i was not referring to its effects on insulin at all, though i am aware of it, there is more to a sugar than bodies response via insulin… and you dont know what i mean when i say judging by his looks? obviously thats all anyone has to go by. im sure we could request daily blood values and maybe hourly ones as well but i would argue with what is available his avatar is good enough to say his body assimilates glucose efficiently.
call it a blanket statement call it what you want… my science and basis for statement is a combination of cause/effect, observation and documentation measurable both by mirrors and scales
bottom line is op can handle much more than 500g carbs,(which i believe carb can lead to greater muscle gain than any macro provided prot and fat are in check) i would argue up to 1000g on some days.
do as you wish op. im not going to post anymore as my opinion is out and i no point on spending time and energy providing literature, reasons, etc…
good luck