15yo Girl Beat Down, Security Just Watches

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[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
WOW. Wtf? Those guards should be charged as well. What the fuck has this world come to?[/quote]

Did you not even read the article to why they did not intervene? [/quote]

So what exactly is the purpose of the gurads then? You could hire 1 dude to watch 20 security feeds and call 911 if shit went down. Instead in the view of just 1 feed you have what 3 guards? Brilliant use of funds there. I’m not saying the guards are fuckheads if they were “Instructed” not to get involved, but then again, what the hell exactly is the job description then? Please wear these green vests and stand around and chit chat with eachother for 8 hours per day.

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Seriously. Paying “security guards” to not intervene is like paying your garbage man to kick your trashcan over. It’s pretty much the exact opposite of what you expect. Whatever happens, that girl that stomped the other needs to catch perpetual beatings in juvy.[/quote]

Haha I lol’d.

In fact, My pipes are NOT leaking right now, perhaps it’s time to give my plumber a call. Right? Hey-Oh!

V[/quote]

LOL and x2!

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The guards didn’t intervene because they were told not to.

They probably should have intervened as human beings.

Had they intervened, there would be some lawsuit in the making already against the guards and the company they work for.

For this reason, the guards are instructed not to intervene.

The guards exist as a deterrent (my guess).

also see: the bystander effect.

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[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
WOW. Wtf? Those guards should be charged as well. What the fuck has this world come to?[/quote]

Did you not even read the article to why they did not intervene? [/quote]

So what exactly is the purpose of the gurads then? You could hire 1 dude to watch 20 security feeds and call 911 if shit went down. Instead in the view of just 1 feed you have what 3 guards? Brilliant use of funds there. I’m not saying the guards are fuckheads if they were “Instructed” not to get involved, but then again, what the hell exactly is the job description then? Please wear these green vests and stand around and chit chat with eachother for 8 hours per day.

V[/quote]

Exactly! Shit, there’s three of them for fucks sake! And the assailant was a girl… Seriously, they are GUARDS who are supposed to GUARD the fucking station. If someone snatched a lady’s purse and the thief is running the guards’ way, would they not even at least try to trip the motherfucker?

They were standing there smoking cigarettes. And outnumbered my ass. There were “four” suspects and one of them was a crazy bitch. Tell me you atleast felt sorry for the victim…[/quote]

Guys don’t get me wrong I do feel bad for her and I probably would have stepped in if I were a guard regardless if I were told not to. She fucking stomped her and kicked her in the head while she was down in the fetal position not attempting to fight back! That’s what boggles my mind and I would have done something. Call it E-toughness or whatever. But to charge with the guards for what tho? They did what they were told to do.

Since this has been brought to light I’m sure that is about to change on what they can and cannot do with situations like this. [/quote]

Exactly. As someone pointed out, they were probably afraid of getting sued, and more immediately, probably afraid of losing their jobs. As far as why you have security guards not providing security, it’s probably a deterence factor - ineffective, as we see here, and possibly about to change.

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If I was that girl’s father heads would be rolling. I could take the charge.

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[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
WOW. Wtf? Those guards should be charged as well. What the fuck has this world come to?[/quote]

Did you not even read the article to why they did not intervene? [/quote]

So what exactly is the purpose of the gurads then? You could hire 1 dude to watch 20 security feeds and call 911 if shit went down. Instead in the view of just 1 feed you have what 3 guards? Brilliant use of funds there. I’m not saying the guards are fuckheads if they were “Instructed” not to get involved, but then again, what the hell exactly is the job description then? Please wear these green vests and stand around and chit chat with eachother for 8 hours per day.

V[/quote]

Exactly! Shit, there’s three of them for fucks sake! And the assailant was a girl… Seriously, they are GUARDS who are supposed to GUARD the fucking station. If someone snatched a lady’s purse and the thief is running the guards’ way, would they not even at least try to trip the motherfucker?

They were standing there smoking cigarettes. And outnumbered my ass. There were “four” suspects and one of them was a crazy bitch. Tell me you atleast felt sorry for the victim…[/quote]

Guys don’t get me wrong I do feel bad for her and I probably would have stepped in if I were a guard regardless if I were told not to. She fucking stomped her and kicked her in the head while she was down in the fetal position not attempting to fight back! That’s what boggles my mind and I would have done something. Call it E-toughness or whatever. But to charge with the guards for what tho? They did what they were told to do.

Since this has been brought to light I’m sure that is about to change on what they can and cannot do with situations like this. [/quote]

Okay, saying the guards should be charged wasn’t exactly meant literally. I mean, it was just fucked up on their part to just stand there, smoke and not do shit for this poor girl.

Sure they were told what to do, but fuck that! They were guards. And this aint exactly a shootout in which case, what they did (or did not do) can be a little more justifiable.

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Worse than that…is the reality that had they intervened, they would likely be sued by the girl they touched especially if they touched her before she started kicking the girl on the ground.

They may not win in court, but that is what is filling up most court rooms today.

So, what kind of world do we live in? One filled with cowards and sheep.

Even though most here claim otherwise, it is more likely that even some of the guys who will respond to this very thread wouldn’t do shit if actually faced with this situation as they have never been in a situation where their life was truly on the line.

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[quote]JGerman wrote:
If I was that girl’s father heads would be rolling. I could take the charge. [/quote]

What, go beat up the guards?

LOL.

That entire system is built that way to protect the larger company the guards work for.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:
Okay, saying the guards should be charged wasn’t exactly meant literally. I mean, it was just fucked up on their part to just stand there, smoke and not do shit for this poor girl.

Sure they were told what to do, but fuck that! They were guards. And this aint exactly a shootout in which case, what they did (or did not do) can be a little more justifiable.
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Agreed. But like I said since this has been posted on the internet for literally everyone who watches it to discuss, I’m sure there is going to be changes in what the guards can do.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Worse than that…is the reality that had they intervened, they would likely be sued by the girl they touched especially if they touched her before she started kicking the girl on the ground.

They may not win in court, but that is what is filling up most court rooms today.

So, what kind of world do we live in? One filled with cowards and sheep.

Even though most here claim otherwise, it is more likely that even some of the guys who will respond to this very thread wouldn’t do shit if actually faced with this situation as they have never been in a situation where their life was truly on the line.[/quote]

But…Would they get sued for stopping the fight the moment it started? They really didn’t even have to touch(hurt) the crazy bitch, they just had to restrain her and separate the parties.

They work for the company/station anyway so its not like they just jumped in and randomly participated even though it would have been in the victim’s defense.

And someone pointed out the last few kicks to the head where the girl came back and stomped the victim out. I think they could have came to the girl’s aid when there was a brief pause to the assault.

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I find it hard to intervene immediately in a situation… it can be really hard to tell if theyre just playing at first or who you should tackle or w/e but when someone is obviously getting fucked up…you should help or go kill yourself. Especially when the girl was down and out and she came BACK to kick her in the head some more.

If I was there…I would of been like Wtf!? for a couple seconds but would of gotten in between them. If the girl tried to come back I would of knocked her the fuck out, it doesnt matter if she is a girl (never hit a woman before) she deserves it.

I lol’d at the garbage man kicking you trash cans over.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Worse than that…is the reality that had they intervened, they would likely be sued by the girl they touched especially if they touched her before she started kicking the girl on the ground.

They may not win in court, but that is what is filling up most court rooms today.

So, what kind of world do we live in? One filled with cowards and sheep.

Even though most here claim otherwise, it is more likely that even some of the guys who will respond to this very thread wouldn’t do shit if actually faced with this situation as they have never been in a situation where their life was truly on the line.[/quote]

But…Would they get sued for stopping the fight the moment it started? They really didn’t even have to touch(hurt) the crazy bitch, they just had to restrain her and separate the parties.

They work for the company/station anyway so its not like they just jumped in and randomly participated even though it would have been in the victim’s defense.

And someone pointed out the last few kicks to the head where the girl came back and stomped the victim out. I think they could have came to the girl’s aid when there was a brief pause to the assault.[/quote]

Someone as bold as that girl in the video is not going to politely allow some guard to simply restrain her. She kicked the girl because they weren’t cops…so that pretty much makes them the same as “mall security”. People this screwed up aren’t afraid of mall-cops.

That means the situation would go more as follows:
Guard holds back girl.
Girl says, “Get your fucking hands off me, bitch!”, punches the guard and goes back to kicking.

Later, girl tries to sue mall-cop for somehow twisting her arm so that she now can’t go to work.

The only solution is for that company to stop being a pussy and actually allow the guards to break up a fight like that along with all of the repercussions as a result.

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It’s a heart wrenching situation. I swear I hate to see this. I understand the security guys are following orders. Tough spot. And yes, anytime you put your hands on someone, whether you are breaking up a fight or not, you are exposing yourself and the company you work for to potential liability (see reasonable force). So yes, a measure of appropriate training is required.

In addition, if they were outnumbered, they could become the victims. I’m not advocating standing by (I wouldn’t) but it is what it is. Based on the article, I’d say the police are more culpable to this young lady than those security guards. Most of us claim we’d jump in, but no one here knows what they’d do if there was a large group (apparently there was - must have been out of camera angle).

Hopefully no one will be put to such a decision. And hopefully, the decent people in this world will continue to outnumber the animals.

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[quote]Totenkopf wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
The worst part is she was winning and had that other broad running away, and then she slipped and that chick started stomping her head. Those security guards should be fired immediately.[/quote]
Apparently,she was under Pride Rules so it was legal.[/quote]

lmao wow im goin 2 hell right along with you for laughin

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Something similar happened in my town about two years ago… Except the victim was a cop!

A uniformed cop had stopped a suspect on a busy street in the middle of the day. Somehow, the guy was able to get the better of the cop and started repeatedly punching the policeman. At least a dozen cars drove by as this was going on, and not one of them stopped to intervene - or even bothered to call 911 from their cars. Not even one call. What an epic fail - and so indicative of a weak and submissive populace.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Worse than that…is the reality that had they intervened, they would likely be sued by the girl they touched especially if they touched her before she started kicking the girl on the ground.

They may not win in court, but that is what is filling up most court rooms today.

So, what kind of world do we live in? One filled with cowards and sheep.

Even though most here claim otherwise, it is more likely that even some of the guys who will respond to this very thread wouldn’t do shit if actually faced with this situation as they have never been in a situation where their life was truly on the line.[/quote]

But…Would they get sued for stopping the fight the moment it started? They really didn’t even have to touch(hurt) the crazy bitch, they just had to restrain her and separate the parties.

They work for the company/station anyway so its not like they just jumped in and randomly participated even though it would have been in the victim’s defense.

And someone pointed out the last few kicks to the head where the girl came back and stomped the victim out. I think they could have came to the girl’s aid when there was a brief pause to the assault.[/quote]

Someone as bold as that girl in the video is not going to politely allow some guard to simply restrain her. She kicked the girl because they weren’t cops…so that pretty much makes them the same as “mall security”. People this screwed up aren’t afraid of mall-cops.

That means the situation would go more as follows:
Guard holds back girl.
Girl says, “Get your fucking hands off me, bitch!”, punches the guard and goes back to kicking.

Later, girl tries to sue mall-cop for somehow twisting her arm so that she now can’t go to work.

The only solution is for that company to stop being a pussy and actually allow the guards to break up a fight like that along with all of the repercussions as a result.[/quote]

Its a fucked up world when defending a defenseless person can end up getting you sued because the attacker gets hurt, then again arnt we the country that lets burglars who fall off ladders while attempting to break into a person houses sue because they broke their arm or leg falling.Lets not forget the infamous mcdonalds coffee spill fiasco or a judge sueing a small family dry clearer for over 100mil because satisfaction guaranteed is a very serious claim and his 20$ suit pants had a stain on them.

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[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Worse than that…is the reality that had they intervened, they would likely be sued by the girl they touched especially if they touched her before she started kicking the girl on the ground.

They may not win in court, but that is what is filling up most court rooms today.

So, what kind of world do we live in? One filled with cowards and sheep.

Even though most here claim otherwise, it is more likely that even some of the guys who will respond to this very thread wouldn’t do shit if actually faced with this situation as they have never been in a situation where their life was truly on the line.[/quote]

But…Would they get sued for stopping the fight the moment it started? They really didn’t even have to touch(hurt) the crazy bitch, they just had to restrain her and separate the parties.

They work for the company/station anyway so its not like they just jumped in and randomly participated even though it would have been in the victim’s defense.

And someone pointed out the last few kicks to the head where the girl came back and stomped the victim out. I think they could have came to the girl’s aid when there was a brief pause to the assault.[/quote]

The minute you touch someone or “restrain” them, you have opened doors to potential criminal and civil liability. It would appear the company does not want to trust a lowly paid untrained security guard to make such judgments and exercise such action. They are apparently there as a deterrent and I’m sure the company arrived at that policy as a result of a past incident/litigation. Listen, it’s a business decision, based on potential liability and moreover, the contract they work under. Whoever contracted the security company defined what it wanted as services. It’s distasteful to watch this and watch them do nothing, but let’s keep the focus on the little animal that committed the crime. These guard were put in a terrible position and I’m sure if there is a decent bone in their body, they are wrangling with the incident too.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Worse than that…is the reality that had they intervened, they would likely be sued by the girl they touched especially if they touched her before she started kicking the girl on the ground.

They may not win in court, but that is what is filling up most court rooms today.

So, what kind of world do we live in? One filled with cowards and sheep.

Even though most here claim otherwise, it is more likely that even some of the guys who will respond to this very thread wouldn’t do shit if actually faced with this situation as they have never been in a situation where their life was truly on the line.[/quote]

But…Would they get sued for stopping the fight the moment it started? They really didn’t even have to touch(hurt) the crazy bitch, they just had to restrain her and separate the parties.

They work for the company/station anyway so its not like they just jumped in and randomly participated even though it would have been in the victim’s defense.

And someone pointed out the last few kicks to the head where the girl came back and stomped the victim out. I think they could have came to the girl’s aid when there was a brief pause to the assault.[/quote]

Someone as bold as that girl in the video is not going to politely allow some guard to simply restrain her. She kicked the girl because they weren’t cops…so that pretty much makes them the same as “mall security”. People this screwed up aren’t afraid of mall-cops.

That means the situation would go more as follows:
Guard holds back girl.
Girl says, “Get your fucking hands off me, bitch!”, punches the guard and goes back to kicking.

Later, girl tries to sue mall-cop for somehow twisting her arm so that she now can’t go to work.

The only solution is for that company to stop being a pussy and actually allow the guards to break up a fight like that along with all of the repercussions as a result.[/quote]

Agreed and agree with your conclusion but it would require training and likely a higher wage. And the company that contracted the security would have to desire this. Remember, the security company is not the property owner…they are on “rent”. Bu

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what a fucked up world. whatever happened to decency. bring on 2012.

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[quote]Petermus wrote:

Its a fucked up world when defending a defenseless person can end up getting you sued because the attacker gets hurt, then again arnt we the country that lets burglars who fall off ladders while attempting to break into a person houses sue because they broke their arm or leg falling.Lets not forget the infamous mcdonalds coffee spill fiasco or a judge sueing a small family dry clearer for over 100mil because satisfaction guaranteed is a very serious claim and his 20$ suit pants had a stain on them.[/quote]

The solution is some kind of severe penalty for frivolous law suits.

Example: A burglar who breaks his arm falling off the ladder whilst breaking into a house and then tries to sue the family should be sent to some kind of forced labour camp or better yet, an institution where they keep criminals locked in small confined rooms and limit their freedoms…hmmm…

Anyone who tries to sue a coffee shop after burning themselves on a cup of coffee should have deep-fryer oil thrown on their face…Stupid law suits piss me off…

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[quote]Petermus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]B.L.U. Ninja wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Worse than that…is the reality that had they intervened, they would likely be sued by the girl they touched especially if they touched her before she started kicking the girl on the ground.

They may not win in court, but that is what is filling up most court rooms today.

So, what kind of world do we live in? One filled with cowards and sheep.

Even though most here claim otherwise, it is more likely that even some of the guys who will respond to this very thread wouldn’t do shit if actually faced with this situation as they have never been in a situation where their life was truly on the line.[/quote]

But…Would they get sued for stopping the fight the moment it started? They really didn’t even have to touch(hurt) the crazy bitch, they just had to restrain her and separate the parties.

They work for the company/station anyway so its not like they just jumped in and randomly participated even though it would have been in the victim’s defense.

And someone pointed out the last few kicks to the head where the girl came back and stomped the victim out. I think they could have came to the girl’s aid when there was a brief pause to the assault.[/quote]

Someone as bold as that girl in the video is not going to politely allow some guard to simply restrain her. She kicked the girl because they weren’t cops…so that pretty much makes them the same as “mall security”. People this screwed up aren’t afraid of mall-cops.

That means the situation would go more as follows:
Guard holds back girl.
Girl says, “Get your fucking hands off me, bitch!”, punches the guard and goes back to kicking.

Later, girl tries to sue mall-cop for somehow twisting her arm so that she now can’t go to work.

The only solution is for that company to stop being a pussy and actually allow the guards to break up a fight like that along with all of the repercussions as a result.[/quote]

Its a fucked up world when defending a defenseless person can end up getting you sued because the attacker gets hurt, then again arnt we the country that lets burglars who fall off ladders while attempting to break into a person houses sue because they broke their arm or leg falling.Lets not forget the infamous mcdonalds coffee spill fiasco or a judge sueing a small family dry clearer for over 100mil because satisfaction guaranteed is a very serious claim and his 20$ suit pants had a stain on them.[/quote]

With all respect, you’re uninformed about the lawsuits you reference. Generally, our civil laws forbid you from setting a “trap”, even for a criminal. However, a suit based upon a burglar using a ladder, falling from the same, while attempting a break in on your property, would NOT survive.

The McDonalds case now become something of a fact mixed with urban legend. McDonald’s made a conscious business decision to keep its coffee SCALDING hot in spite of being aware of the danger it posed to customers, particularly drive thru customers. It wasn’t simply “hot coffee”, it was “scalding hot” coffee. They were aware of the danger, and made a decision to accept it. And they got “burned”.

Finally, I can tell you that what starts as “restraint” often ends up as assault or worse - I see it every single weekend at the club. Fact is, as I’ve said, the property owner contracted for X and that’s what they received.