ok, i have read through all the bravado and bullshit in this thread, i have taken note of all the legal arguments and potential ramifications. i understand of the need to avoid confrontation and violence, christ i’m about the most non confrontationl guy you could ever meet… but please don’t tell me there is anyone on this board who would stand by and do nothing to prevent a young girl’s head being used as a football. surely?
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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Oh, so you rather smoke some cock? I mean, not that there is anything wrong with that LOL 
Call me crazy, but I’d rather be a stupid kid, accidently popping a piss balloon all over myself, than waking up with man syrup in one of my orifices.
Jeez, at least say you want to be Barksdale or Marlo.[/quote]
I’m not down with the gay part, but Omar had a code. And he waged guerilla wars like fuckin’ Ho Chi Minh. I admire that. [/quote]
Tru that. A man must have a code. Most you mafuckas have an area code and little else LOL.
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I have a zip code too…and a code to my lock I put on the locker at the gym so no one steals my shit … let’s see, what other codes do I have? Oh, I know the code to the airlock on Planet Druidia: it’s 1-2-3-4-5 [/quote]
Contra 30 lives code. “konami code” up up down down B A Start or Select Start for 2 player mode.
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That’s the only way I can beat that game. Cool thing is, most of those codes work with the online emulators, too.
Off-topic, thinking of video games–is there any way to use a tv as a computer monitor?
I constantly wish we did away with guns and only had swords. You wouldn’t say shit because you could get your damn head chopped clean off! Only the truly deserving and those trained properly could win. Although, this does not protect those who were still unprotected, as it is much easier to see if you are armed or not. I am going to invent a retractable blade sword!
[quote]alit4 wrote:
but please don’t tell me there is anyone on this board who would stand by and do nothing to prevent a young girl’s head being used as a football. surely?[/quote]
No one here has said that they would “stand by and do nothing”…
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I constantly wish we did away with guns and only had swords. You wouldn’t say shit because you could get your damn head chopped clean off! Only the truly deserving and those trained properly could win. Although, this does not protect those who were still unprotected, as it is much easier to see if you are armed or not. I am going to invent a retractable blade sword!
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/09/college_student_with_samurai_s.html[/quote]
Dude, if they did away with guns then we wouldn’t be able to shoot anything.
[quote]Itchy wrote:
[quote]alit4 wrote:
but please don’t tell me there is anyone on this board who would stand by and do nothing to prevent a young girl’s head being used as a football. surely?[/quote]
No one here has said that they would “stand by and do nothing”…[/quote]
People see what they want to see.
[quote]Itchy wrote:
[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I constantly wish we did away with guns and only had swords. You wouldn’t say shit because you could get your damn head chopped clean off! Only the truly deserving and those trained properly could win. Although, this does not protect those who were still unprotected, as it is much easier to see if you are armed or not. I am going to invent a retractable blade sword!
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/09/college_student_with_samurai_s.html[/quote]
Dude, if they did away with guns then we wouldn’t be able to shoot anything. [/quote]
True. But you could go cut things in half!
I can understand both sides and both points of view. Sure cutting things in half is cool, but shooting gun is really fun too. I really like shooting trees and cans and stuff, but I can also have just as much fun chopping shit up with my machete.
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Man, I’m gonna disagree with you here. The girl who got her head stomped walked behind the guards to get away, and when it was clear they weren’t gonna help she tried to walk across the street. That other bitch bummed rushed her and hit her in the back of the head. The girl fought back, and was actually winning that fight. She had the chick in black backpeddling and cornered her into a wall. She lost her footing, hit the floor and the crazy bitch saw her window and jumped through.[/quote]
It’s hard to tell without being there when the talking started, but it’s clear that she had the oppurtunity to leave. That’s all I’m saying.
When I hear someone yelling on the street, I keep walking. She didn’t.
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As would I. The difference in this situation [from the evidence provided] is that she tried to leave at least one time before and was forced outside with the aggressors. She fought back because she was given no other option. That was definitely not a consentual fight, it was self defense.
I also wanted to add to Dankid: Dude, I’m sure everyone that posts here has/had a friend that was a loud mouth asshole and deserved a beating. Some of us even may have let him catch one when he got too big for his britches and challenged the wrong guy expecting his buddies to [once again] “come to the rescue”. But, to let your “friend” get mobbed by multiple people while you stand idley by is unbelievable, and if the story is true it automatically cancels out anything you’ve said on this matter about your being chivelrous.
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[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
Grown men in a bar fight does not compare to a young girl, shopping alone, minding her own business, suddenly being attacked by a gang of mostly adult men, evidently strangers. But hey, when that little girl is your daughter I know all the guilt-stricken bystanders will feel great relief after the fact when you announce you totally understand why they didn’t want to get involved.
I’m sure that girl never thought something like this would ever happen to her, either, during an innocent shopping trip. Oh well. [/quote]
What the fuck are you talking about? What video are you watching? Are you sober?
What I saw was two girls that had plenty of oppurtunities to leave the place BEFORE any violence happened. Then I saw simple assault (or a consensual fight) in which one girl got beat down. It is clear from this video that not only is neither girl minding their own business, but they have big fucking mouths and are poppin off at each other.
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Oh yes, I’m sober. Moreover, I have new eyeglasses. And yet, I’m seeing something entirely different from what you seem to think is going down when I watch the video - as I have several times. I also read all the accompanying article. The article mentioned that the attacking female stalked the victim through several department stores. What I see in the video is a lone girl, hanging close to three security guards because she knows she is being stalked and she assumes that, surely, that the presence of three security guards will offer her some measure of protection. Four male accomplices hang back, waiting for their cue, while their female cohort stares down and stalks her prey, waiting for the perfect moment to strike. And when she does, nobody acts. The attacker counted on fear.
At no point did I see (or read) about any provocation on the part of the victim. But if you want to believe that to justify your stance that all the bystanders were right to stand about and watch like they were sitting in their living rooms watching tv, I’ll simply respectfully disagree. But, please, if you’re so inclined, continue to BRAVELY spit obscenities at some chick over the internet. That brand of courage is just so rare.[/quote]
Not sure I disagree with you, but “stalked”. Why embellish the facts? Is this just the female trait of being wordy coming thru? Or are you projecting your own fears onto this incident? I believe the report mentioned something of a previous “confrontation” of sorts beteween the groups (if I remember correct, she not not completely alone). Stalked? LOL. That was poetic. That’s all - I take exception to your embellishment. The thread and its issues are complex enough without hyperbole.[/quote]
After reading the article and seeing the title of the video I watched, looking to see if I could pick out which was the stalker and which was the prey before anything happened - and It was easy. One girl was staring hard at another, circling her, then following her every move until she finally exploded. Further, the article stated the attacker (along with her compatriots) followed the girl through two stores before we see her zeroing in on the girl at the train platform. Call it whatever makes you most comfortable, I don’t care.
As for projecting my own fears, you are correct. As a child I was repeatedly stalked and attacked by a vicious gang of girls and I’m familiar with all the moves.
As for calling me “wordy” have you seen your own posts? Your remark to the effect that this is a “female trait” is interesting.
[quote]SirenSong61 wrote:
As for projecting my own fears, you are correct. As a child I was repeatedly stalked and attacked by a vicious gang of girls and I’m familiar with all the moves.
As for calling me “wordy” have you seen your own posts? Your remark to the effect that this is a “female trait” is interesting.[/quote]
#1. Just as I thought. It screams thru your postings on this subject. Don’t have to be Freud to figure this one out.
#2. Nice catch…saw it coming as I was writing it (call it self-awareness). I’m quite proud of my ability to communicate and my feminine/sensitive side. Doesn’t it just make you want to have hot sweaty freaky circus sex with me right now??
I guess I’m showing up to the party a little late. Here’s an article from a local paper.
Egged on by Whitaker and others, the female suspect in the attack threatened the girl repeatedly, the victim told detectives. Seattle police officers interceded, forcing both the girl and the group that had confronted her outside the store.
The girl told detectives she was immediately confronted by the female suspect after stepping onto Third Avenue outside the downtown Macy’s. She rushed back into the store, she said, where she again encountered the Seattle officers who’d ejected her moments before.
“I asked them to take me to the tunnel and they said they couldn’t because they didn’t have time for kids who started trouble,” the girl told sheriff’s detectives.
There’s a lot of talk on there about what the security guards should have done, as decent humans or as men or as contracted security guards, and where their duties ended. But what about the cops duty?
in 2006 in this crack neighborhood I lived in…
this man was kneeing this woman in the face and she was on her knees…
her head was hitting the side of a car every time he kneed her…
I ran up and yelled “Jesus is God!” to him from about 5 feet away…
he said “f— Jesus”…
he went back to hitting the woman…
God told me to stop him…
I slammed him…
I then put him in a full nelson on the ground so he could not pull out any weapon…
but the woman got up and jumped on him and started scratching his face with her finger nails…
I yellled “now you’re no better than him – you have to the count of 5 to get out of here – I’m letting him go – 1…2!”
she got up and sprinted down the street…
I counted as she ran “…3…4…5!”
I let go and back off him…
he immediately got up and sprinted after her…
he came back about a minnute later and started screaming at me and trying to grab at me but I just kept my hands and front knee ready and pushed his attempts away and screamed “JESUS IS GOD!” about 5 times until he lost interest and walked away…
I then turned to these 3 40 year old guys on their porch and yelled “you’re a bunch of idiots! you just watched some guy almost kill some lady and sat their like a bunch of idiots!”…
they said “hey…watch yourself”…
I screamed at them “I’m the only person in this whole neighborhood that did anything! you just sat there like a bunch of idiots doing nothing!” and walked away screaming “Jesus is God!” about 15 more times as I walked by about 20 by standers…
this was at about 12 noon by a busy parking lot…
I see these two bike “downtown visions” city safety patrol guys in these yellow jackets and the one guys says I should not have done anything because I could have got hurt…
I said “what!” and turned around to all the people and pointed at the two downtown visions guys and yell “hey this guy doesn’t think there is anything wrong with punching women in the face or kneeing them in the head…he says that he doesn’t care if you knee women in the face!”…
the downtown visions guy says “hey…stop that”…
I yell a little more the same stuff and then leave screaming “Jesus is God!” a few more times for good measure…
about 5 blocks down I see police finally going that way…
I saw the man that beat up the woman a few days later at the gas station and he looked down and acted like he didn’t see me…he looked really, really embarassed so I just kept walking and nodded at him and said “God Bless You”…
so why do I have spiritual gifts from THE HOLY SPIRIT? why can I see things others can’t?
“Give and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over, and shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured unto you again.”
that is why…
good night…
been ready…
let a homeless lady sleep in your bed and you sleep on the couch…
do something big…
get motivated…
just do it…
[quote]koleah wrote:
I guess I’m showing up to the party a little late. Here’s an article from a local paper.
Egged on by Whitaker and others, the female suspect in the attack threatened the girl repeatedly, the victim told detectives. Seattle police officers interceded, forcing both the girl and the group that had confronted her outside the store.
The girl told detectives she was immediately confronted by the female suspect after stepping onto Third Avenue outside the downtown Macy’s. She rushed back into the store, she said, where she again encountered the Seattle officers who’d ejected her moments before.
“I asked them to take me to the tunnel and they said they couldn’t because they didn’t have time for kids who started trouble,” the girl told sheriff’s detectives.
There’s a lot of talk on there about what the security guards should have done, as decent humans or as men or as contracted security guards, and where their duties ended. But what about the cops duty?[/quote]
Now THAT changes things a little. So the cops were there first and did nothing but assume they were just “trouble making kids” and then ignored the girl when she went back to them for protection. This shit could have ended with the cops but they allowed it to escalate to extreme violence by not taking action.
I wonder if our resident officer will respond now.
Boy…this topic sure quieted down now that the cops are also at fault.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Boy…this topic sure quieted down now that the cops are also at fault.[/quote]
the cops were utterly stupid. you send two parties with friction off in the same direction? dumb. a complete disengagement of common fucking sense. i see batman is still off his meds. i suspect he’s bi-polar. anyone care to wager against me?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Boy…this topic sure quieted down now that the cops are also at fault.[/quote]
Pretty sure if you go back and read my posts I said the cops were to blame from damn near the beginning.
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Boy…this topic sure quieted down now that the cops are also at fault.[/quote]
the cops were utterly stupid. you send two parties with friction off in the same direction? dumb. a complete disengagement of common fucking sense. i see batman is still off his meds. i suspect he’s bi-polar. anyone care to wager against me?[/quote]
you’re a homo