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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Because in order to pay someone a living wage that is far more than what the job they are doing deserves, companies have to raise prices. That devalues the wage made by those making more than a living wage so in reality they you are actually decreasing the people who actually have a redeemable skills spending power in order to give people who work 20 hrs a week at Mcdonalds a better wage. [/quote]

While I would agree with your opinion that prices will have to rise , I will contend that we are living in Ronny Reagan’s world of supply side economics . The supply of cheap stuff has eroded the demand side .

The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
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If I start with 8 apples and you with 2 and we take 3 apples from me and give them to you, did the # of apples increase?

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Well those apples were taken from the working class with in the last 35 years I am saying they should be returned
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
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Are there more apples?

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Personally we both know unless you own the tree those apples , you ain’t got shit

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supply economics has run it’s course , it is time to turn the page back to a balanced economy and quit focusing on one aspect

Supply - Demand

If we keep focusing on supply demnad in America will wither

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Because in order to pay someone a living wage that is far more than what the job they are doing deserves, companies have to raise prices. That devalues the wage made by those making more than a living wage so in reality they you are actually decreasing the people who actually have a redeemable skills spending power in order to give people who work 20 hrs a week at Mcdonalds a better wage. [/quote]

While I would agree with your opinion that prices will have to rise , I will contend that we are living in Ronny Reagan’s world of supply side economics . The supply of cheap stuff has eroded the demand side .

The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

If I start with 8 apples and you with 2 and we take 3 apples from me and give them to you, did the # of apples increase?

[/quote]

Well those apples were taken from the working class with in the last 35 years I am saying they should be returned
[/quote]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

Are there more apples?

[/quote]

Personally we both know unless you own the tree those apples , you ain’t got shit[/quote]

Let’s try this for a 3rd time:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

Are there more apples?

I do not own an, “Apple tree,” and I’m doing just fine. My wife does not own an, “Apple tree,” and she is also just fine.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
supply economics has run it’s course , it is time to turn the page back to a balanced economy and quit focusing on one aspect

Supply - Demand

If we keep focusing on supply demnad in America will wither [/quote]

I don’t claim to know why the income disparity has increased; however, I have a feeling that:

1.) Increased, “Supply,” of international goods coupled with;
2.) The outsourcing/off shoring of employees and increased import of raw materials

Has a lot to do with it. I think you also need to look at other income sources, how they’ve changed, and how they have affected the difference. I.E. Capital Gains for example.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Because in order to pay someone a living wage that is far more than what the job they are doing deserves, companies have to raise prices. That devalues the wage made by those making more than a living wage so in reality they you are actually decreasing the people who actually have a redeemable skills spending power in order to give people who work 20 hrs a week at Mcdonalds a better wage. [/quote]

While I would agree with your opinion that prices will have to rise , I will contend that we are living in Ronny Reagan’s world of supply side economics . The supply of cheap stuff has eroded the demand side .

The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

If I start with 8 apples and you with 2 and we take 3 apples from me and give them to you, did the # of apples increase?

[/quote]

Well those apples were taken from the working class with in the last 35 years I am saying they should be returned
[/quote]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

Are there more apples?

[/quote]

Personally we both know unless you own the tree those apples , you ain’t got shit[/quote]

Let’s try this for a 3rd time:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

Are there more apples?

I do not own an, “Apple tree,” and I’m doing just fine. My wife does not own an, “Apple tree,” and she is also just fine. [/quote]

then you must get no benefit from the apples because if I have 8 apples today I will have 7 tomorrow and 6 the day after . They also spoil at a alarming rate :slight_smile: So a tree is your best option unless you want some of someone else’s apples

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

First of all Chief Executives don’t even average that much. Hell most average less than members of Congress and the President.

Also, so what? NFL players are also paid for poor performance. The NFL's Most Overpaid Players

Christ most CEOs make less than the 3rd string QB runningback that takes zero snaps in a year. Guess what, they don’t employee anyone either.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I think you also need to look at other income sources,
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could not agree more . Cheap stuff comes from China , India , Brazil and Russia . If we buy stuff from there . Their workers get the compensation and their workers spend their income on stuff Their country produces . While Americans get cheap shit , hence a healthy supply and because no one is working and those that are ,are making less disposable income hence we have less demand

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I don’t claim to know why the income disparity has increased; however, I have a feeling that:

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That graph is looking at “family” income, which means it isn’t a serious analytical endeavor unless it adjusts, and shows how it adjusts, for the change in family sizes.

It also ignores, like most lefty talking points, vertical mobility throughout the quintiles.

In other words, that graph is garbage.

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It does not destinguish between family sizes , the average is 2.87

Hope that helps :slight_smile:

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/families_households/cb10-174.html

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
then you must get no benefit from the apples because if I have 8 apples today I will have 7 tomorrow and 6 the day after . They also spoil at a alarming rate :slight_smile: So a tree is your best option unless you want some of someone else’s apples [/quote]

What’s the tree? The Federal Reserve System? Spoiling seems a perfect metaphor for inflation.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
then you must get no benefit from the apples because if I have 8 apples today I will have 7 tomorrow and 6 the day after . They also spoil at a alarming rate :slight_smile: So a tree is your best option unless you want some of someone else’s apples [/quote]

What’s the tree? The Federal Reserve System?[/quote]

Duh I don’t know ask USMC , what apples :slight_smile:

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
then you must get no benefit from the apples because if I have 8 apples today I will have 7 tomorrow and 6 the day after . They also spoil at a alarming rate :slight_smile: So a tree is your best option unless you want some of someone else’s apples [/quote]

What’s the tree? The Federal Reserve System? Spoiling seems a perfect metaphor for inflation.[/quote]

I thought it was an extremely straight forward and simple example of how taking 3 apples from me and giving them to Pitt DOES NOT grow the economy. In typically PWI fashiion it turned into Lord knows what. I only asked the same question 3 times after all.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

Because in order to pay someone a living wage that is far more than what the job they are doing deserves, companies have to raise prices. That devalues the wage made by those making more than a living wage so in reality they you are actually decreasing the people who actually have a redeemable skills spending power in order to give people who work 20 hrs a week at Mcdonalds a better wage. [/quote]

While I would agree with your opinion that prices will have to rise , I will contend that we are living in Ronny Reagan’s world of supply side economics . The supply of cheap stuff has eroded the demand side .

The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

If I start with 8 apples and you with 2 and we take 3 apples from me and give them to you, did the # of apples increase?

[/quote]

Well those apples were taken from the working class with in the last 35 years I am saying they should be returned
[/quote]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

Are there more apples?

[/quote]

Personally we both know unless you own the tree those apples , you ain’t got shit[/quote]

Let’s try this for a 3rd time:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The best thing we could do to stimulate the economy is re-re-distribute the wealth that was wrest from the working class since Ronny assaulted the middle class.
[/quote]

Are there more apples?

I do not own an, “Apple tree,” and I’m doing just fine. My wife does not own an, “Apple tree,” and she is also just fine. [/quote]

then you must get no benefit from the apples because if I have 8 apples today I will have 7 tomorrow and 6 the day after . They also spoil at a alarming rate :slight_smile: So a tree is your best option unless you want some of someone else’s apples [/quote]

Ah no, nevermind.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I don’t claim to know why the income disparity has increased; however, I have a feeling that:

[/quote]

That graph is looking at “family” income, which means it isn’t a serious analytical endeavor unless it adjusts, and shows how it adjusts, for the change in family sizes.

It also ignores, like most lefty talking points, vertical mobility throughout the quintiles.

In other words, that graph is garbage. [/quote]

Interesting, I didn’t really look at the graph. I assumed it was the typical the 1% makes more than the other 99% of us.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
then you must get no benefit from the apples because if I have 8 apples today I will have 7 tomorrow and 6 the day after . They also spoil at a alarming rate :slight_smile: So a tree is your best option unless you want some of someone else’s apples [/quote]

What’s the tree? The Federal Reserve System? Spoiling seems a perfect metaphor for inflation.[/quote]

I thought it was an extremely straight forward and simple example of how taking 3 apples from me and giving them to Pitt DOES NOT grow the economy. In typically PWI fashiion it turned into Lord knows what. I only asked the same question 3 times after all. [/quote]

Yeah, there’s a reason I responded to Pittbulll’s example and not yours. Yours was plenty easy to understand.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
then you must get no benefit from the apples because if I have 8 apples today I will have 7 tomorrow and 6 the day after . They also spoil at a alarming rate :slight_smile: So a tree is your best option unless you want some of someone else’s apples [/quote]

What’s the tree? The Federal Reserve System? Spoiling seems a perfect metaphor for inflation.[/quote]

I thought it was an extremely straight forward and simple example of how taking 3 apples from me and giving them to Pitt DOES NOT grow the economy. In typically PWI fashiion it turned into Lord knows what. I only asked the same question 3 times after all. [/quote]

Yeah, there’s a reason I responded to Pittbulll’s example and not yours. Yours was plenty easy to understand.[/quote]

I mean’t to quote his response of ask USMC…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I mean’t to quote his response of ask USMC…[/quote]

Got it.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

It’s still a copout. [/quote]

Maybe in ideological fantasy land, but in reality it is nothing more than a very valid reason for government interference into the market.

I’m not an anarchist, and for the same reasons every government turns into a tyrannical war machine, is the same reason communism won’t work, is the same reason a totally free market won’t work either. Man is flawed. Government (structure to provide order) is needed.

As long as we have as close to a free market as possible, we are operating under the best system we, as humankind, have come up with. As long as we have government, there will be interference. Therefore, in the real world, if th government is subsidizing agriculture for the very real geo-political reasons mentioned, there are far worse reasons for the government to interfere than that.

Yeah, no. While it might not all be in relation to national defense, some certainly is.

Because I can think, and I’m not beholden to any one set of ideas.

I wouldn’t say pointing out one of the reasons for the subsidies is “touting”, but it doesn’t matter. You’ve already assumed my position, and this is the reason I didn’t want to debate it.

Being “okay” with something realistically doesn’t always mean you agree or support something ideologically either, but…

[quote] Anyone could make similar arguments towards health care, the auto industry, any of the bailouts, etc.

Necessary to prevent possible future disaster. For the good of the nation. Look at history. You can say the SAME thing about almost any government involvement in the marketplace. [/quote]

No shit. That is the point.

Painting with a broad brush is dangerous, and a large part of why most partisans from all sides suck.

[quote] Farmers made record profits in 2012 despite absolutely awful conditions. We’re really gonna sit here and be pissed at fast food workers wanting more money and ignore the other people who get more money? Seems tough to do with a straight face.
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You can’t see it done without a straight face because you either misunderstand the positions of people posting here, or are assuming.

I see a whole bunch of people that are leery of a third party that pays no negative consequence for being wrong dictating the pay of low skill labor. No one is angry about people who deserve a raise getting one. Just so happens, it is very unlikely that someone pulling pretend meat our of a microwave that deserves a pay raise and/or promotion to manager hasn’t already gotten it or is in the process of getting one.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I don’t claim to know why the income disparity has increased; however, I have a feeling that:

[/quote]

That graph is looking at “family” income, which means it isn’t a serious analytical endeavor unless it adjusts, and shows how it adjusts, for the change in family sizes.

It also ignores, like most lefty talking points, vertical mobility throughout the quintiles.

In other words, that graph is garbage. [/quote]

Interesting, I didn’t really look at the graph. I assumed it was the typical the 1% makes more than the other 99% of us.[/quote]

Read more Sowell, things like this will start to jump out at you.

No, average family size form a different source from the graph doesn’t “help”.