Guys I don’t think we’re really disagreeing much. We all agree take the minimum amount that resolves symptoms. Just recognize that for some of us that number is as low as getting to that 400-500 that natty guys are walking around with.
Also, fight against the temptation that if you feel great at a 400-500 TT that you’ll some how feel amazing at a 1000 TT. Didn’t happen with me but ymmv
Besides the Trump anecdote, I have one other one. I know a guy who is freaking 80 years old and has a blood disorder that causes really low hemoglobin. Being the sherlock holmes that I am I told him he should check his T level because 150mg T a week caused my hemoglobin and hematocrit to shoot up over 19/57. Turns out he’s at 498 and so not a candidate. What was interesting is that at 80 and a TT of 498 and getting around in a walker his wife told me still wants sex all the time. Moral of the story is don’t assume low libido is caused by low T. Could just as easy be high T. Experiment and find what works best for you.
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Try to be as honest as possible, rate you drive to go after girls from 0 to 10, on 150mg and on 50mg week
On 150 honest to God it was a chore to have sex. Watching porn was like watching a gardening show. Zero interest. So I’m going to go with 0 for that
On 50mg it’s more like a 7. Not teenager horny but certainly early marriage horny.
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By the way I distinguish libido from ED. Never had a problem with the plumbing on any dose. Strictly speaking of desire here.
LMAO
Cheers man
So you found what works for YOU. That’s all that matters.
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Are you referring to the ester weight? I believe for Enth/Cyp it’s like i’m taking an actual 35mg of actual testosterone per week which works out to 5mg a day which is what an average guy normally produces. It also seems to line up with what I’m seeing in bloodwork. Except for that 81 which a) followed a weight loss contest at work with severe caloric deprivation and b) was responsible for my hypogonadal diagnosis my only previous Test bloodwork produced a 335 result. For me, I feel about the same as I did when I got that 335 result. Normal with pretty damn good libido.
You can’t compare endogenous production with exogenous administration. Two totally different things. There is no man out there who produces 250mg of T a week as we all know. Yet plenty of men with natty total of 1000 which is what my total is with 250 a week.
Apples and oranges.
mechanism for that?
I honestly don’t know. It’s a question I’ve had for some time. Absorption? I don’t know. It’s a question I’d like to have answered eventually but so far I have only heard theories. I can say, with certainty, that they can’t be compared.
Maybe it’s another area where we are all different. I only had that one pre-pre-trt test that came up at 335. Seems to track pretty closely with what I’m seeing now with 50mg estered Test. In other words I wouldn’t be at all surprise if my body producing 4mg a day gave me 335 and the 5 I’m getting now gets me around 400.
Here’s another “outlier”.
I think there are more “outliers” than we think.
Happy for you getting libido at a low level. I’m experimenting too right now at lower levels, around 75mg per week split.
How long have you been at 50mg? Just curious.
no drug is 100% bioavailable even if injected.
I’ve been a proponent of lower doses for awhile now.
At 300 TT levels pre TRT, i felt a tiny bit of libido, which went away after starting TRT.
My thoughts are if i had it on 300 TT levels, i should have a bit more at like 500TT. At high levels, nothing.
I actually feel much better in the gym on lower levels as compared to higher levels.
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Great point. That’s why you just should not keep raising testosterone to resolve all symptoms. You may have a different issue
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How’s it going so far?
Coming up on 6 weeks. Also, I know a lot of people say you need to wait 6, 8, 12 weeks anytime you make a change but that wasn’t true in my case at all. I used steroid plotter to see when my T level would drop to a physiological amount of 3-8mg and sure as shit as soon as I got down there my libido came back.