this isnt a bridge but something i would like to test out
Ok so under my situation I have done cycle such as msten, tbol, and var with 4 andro.
Been doing reading and deciding to do a cycle which many have done as a bridge successfully.
10mg dbol in the morning pre workout only for 60 days. This is to take advantage of the anti-catabolic effect, protein synthesis, as well as reduction of cortisol. Side effects of the liver are also non existent depending on the person.
Many have done this without much if any suppression and no PCT, while keeping the gains (minimal).
Although after the 60 days I will still be doing Nolva pct for 4 weeks at 20mg.
My question is whether or not I need an AI, and how would I dose?
Ive read that individuals say if Gyno symptoms show up just use nolva until it disappears, would I still be running the 10mg or stopping and continuing when it’s gone.
Please be considerate as pinning is not an option, and I do not want to put the stress on my organs with a full cycle, thank you.
I’m a big fan of low dose dbol. I’m waiting for my blood work to come back some time this week, but I was off the dbol for three weeks before getting it drawn, so we shall see what my AST/ALT looks like. I generally agree that it is not nearly as toxic as people think, but that’s because I didn’t run it at a crazy high dose.
It will be suppressive though. As you said you plan to run a pct I imagine you’ll be able to recover just fine. But the last week or two you may feel some lethargy and some decline in libido as your testosterone level gets too low.
I don’t see a need for an AI on such a low dose. But if you have one on hand then you can get on it if you start developing symptoms of high e2.
I like it as a pwo, personally. I took mine about 45 minutes to an hour before I went to the gym. I did not take it on cardio days since I had some cramping issues.
My plan was to take in the morning pwo as the the dbol would be gone by night time with the short half life, so some recovery can be done when i sleep. Turns out im working soon and cannot work out till 4pm, would this mess up the process of reducing shutdown. or am i overthinking , thanks.
Also how would i dose adex or aromasin with this cycle just to make sure i dont get gyno. I dont want to kill estrogen either
I work out in the evenings, so I was taking it later in the day. I’ll be honest, it disrupted my sleep cycle if I took it too late in the day. But I adjusted within a week and was back to normal again. You can take it at 2:00pm and it will be effective when you go lift at 4:00pm. No sweat.
I’m hesitant to say anything regarding either of those AIs as it pertains to dosage. Everyone is different and it really depends on whether or not it’s pharma grade or UGL, especially with the arimidex. I would never under any circumstance touch non-pharma arimidex.
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you think gyno still possible with only a 10mg dose ed?
Possible? Sure, I suppose. Probable? No.
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would running 1/3rd of nolva pill be sufficient or should i just take 10mg, 1/3rd to be conservative since its only 10mg dbol to avoid gyno. Since nolva is much much cheaper n easier to find here.
did the same cycle to keep my muscles in a cut. works great. did no pct. had no problem at all
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I would not run any AI or Nolva with this. I’ve run a gram of test, 600 EQ, 100mg dbol per day, without needing either an AI or Nolva, so I’m fairly certain you won’t require it either, lol
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Loll why would you not run an AI though isnt that too much estrogen? More test if u ran an AI im assuming
Do you really believe the marginally higher test I would get from running an AI and reducing conversion to estrogen would make a perceivable difference at this level? Of course not, that’s silly.
Maybe @physioLojik can chime in, as he’s more knowledgeable than anyone in this forum on the subject. But basically, in his practice, he’s more interested in test:estrogen ratio, and how a patient actually feels, rather than trying to get e2 in the 21ish range. He almost never recommends an AI in the first place. If anything, he recommends nolva at a low dose.
I used to run arimidex with every cycle. I don’t anymore, because it was too easy to crash my e2, and I experienced too much hormonal fluctuation. I feel SO much better not taking anything.
But more importantly, I can’t imagine any sane person recommending an AI at the dose you’re talking about. I can almost guarantee you would crash your e2 after a dose or 2. Trust me when I say this, but crashing is far worse than a slightly high number.
Thanks alot thats the kind of response i wanted , so no point nolva on cycle either eh? Usually if one gets gyno on cycle do they keep going while dosing nolva
Im just paranoid af about gyno to be honest and want to make sure that every be Ok
Also off topic but about anadrol, is it really good preworkout so its would it be ok 3-4x a week to also reduce sides or does it need to be stabalized by taking everyday
good question. I’ve run nolva on cycle before, and for any reasonably sized cycle, (like 750 test or above), I think anyone would be justified taking nolva daily or EOD. If I got ANY sides from a cycle, I would do that. I have it on hand.
I used to be too. I used to tell EVERYONE on here to take an AI from day 1 of every cycle, no matter what. I don’t think that way anymore, based on my own experiences. I think some people benefit from it, but not everyone.
I would take any oral every day, not just for workouts. The only reason to use an oral directly pre-workout is if it alters mood/aggression. If you’re using it to actually build muscle (which should be the point), you should take it every day, and time of day won’t really matter much. Overall training affect will be about the same no matter when you take it.
The only steroid I’ve really used for the sake of aggression in the gym or in competition is halo. Halo has a highly perceivable affect on my mood/energy, and I believe it can have immediate positive impact, especially during a long comp. I generally run halo at 10-20 mg/day for 2-3 weeks leading up to a comp, and then on comp day I will double or triple that, dosing it every few hours until the show is over.
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So in my case for the 10/60 cycle would u run nolva EOD? Wouldnt it also slow down suppression , what do you think or just save for pct?
are you really asking me this question? I thought I was pretty clear. The cycle you’ve proposed is going to do jack shit, I don’t even know why you’re doing it. You wouldn’t need to run nolva even at a dose of 50mg/day, much less 10.
I’m going to be honest with you, I think this is one of the dumbest cycle proposals I’ve ever read, based on the minimal expected return vs your potential risk. What you’re risking is the potential for suppressed testosterone production, something you’ll only be able to know by getting a blood test. You won’t know if you need a pct if you don’t get your blood tested. If you DO need to run a pct, then that’s weeks worth of drugs to take to get you back to normal, along with suppressed T production while you recover, that will negate any gains you made with the dbol.
The whole thing is stupid as fuck, and the fact that you couldn’t figure out from my original detailed posts that I think running nolva is inadvisable shows me that I’m wasting my time and words on you.
Understandable, cause ppl have gotten gyno gyno from 20-25mg a day but assuming it was with test too. Those are rare gyno prone individuals
wait, is all this because your afraid to inject? all the things you have used are orals. Why not do alow dose test cycle, 400 -350mg/week even is much better than this and safer.