I will be starting a 10 week cycle in a couple months and wanted people opinions on the cycle because I can’t seem to find a similar cycle of others doing the same. Weekly injection is 250mg Sustanon with a weekly injection of 200mg Primo. I also wanted to include Winstrol 10mg oral and 40mg oral of Clen. I wanted to know peoples opinion on if this is a mild enough stack or is it too dangerous? I am 6’ 2” tall and 240 pounds. I plan to do PCT with 50mg Clomid only. Is it okay to take the Winstrol and Clen for the full 10 weeks or do I need to take breaks on the Clen two weeks on two weeks off. Should I reduce the dosage on anything? Thank you in advance for your time and thoughts. First time trying primo, Winstrol, and Clen.
Steroids are for building muscle, not for cutting fat. They don’t do that.
Looking at your stats you should not be using gear, you should be dieting.
Look into a GLP drug like retatrutide and save the AAS for building.
Currently I am bulking 18% body fat. The dieting and cycle will start in two months. I already bought the gear. Just looking for opinions on dosage. I am also in an off cycle rest right now. Completed my PCT from last cycle. Anyway, the goal isn’t to lose fat right at this moment because I am putting on size. Thank you for your response.
As i mentioned above. You don’t need steroids to cut whether you have already purchased them or not. Maybe you should have asked questions prior to spending money. The only reason to use gear during a cut is if you are very low BF, under 6%, to retain muscle
I would just run a TRT dose of test(150ish mg/wk) and diet down to 10-12% and then think about putting on some size and using the primo with test.
Clen is not good at all on the cardiovascular system and you need to ramp it up as you use it to reap the same benefits. You could get the same benefits with 1/2 per day of cardio and maybe 2-10min sessions of HIIT cardio per week and you would improve your heart health, not diminish it.
For the winstrol, again, not needed in a cut as it does not burn fat.
IMO, there is no benefit to bulking over 15% body fat for adding muscle tissue. You should never get so fat that you lose major muscle group separation.
I only used AAS when I was training to compete in Bodybuilding contests. Most cycles I was cutting for a contest, but at least once a year a cycle was to put on muscle. Year round I was never more than 8 weeks out from being able to get into contest shape.
IMO, you must lose more fat before taking any more AAS. You can post a few pics of your physique to try to change my mind, if you like.
I really liked Clenbuterol when I started using it. It helped the heavier bodybuilders to get as well defined as those under 200lbs. But I never used it until my body fat was less than 8%. NEVER! You don’t need Clenbuterol to get to 8% body fat.
If you are not planning on competing, I see no reason to discuss Winstrol with you.
My last cut I got down to 219 and 15% Body fat. Out of high school I was almost 300 pounds and before I got into body building I got down to 185, I don’t know what my body fat % was. Anyway I wasn’t happy with my last cut with no AAS, although I wasn’t as strict or in a far enough calorie deficit. I didn’t want to loose muscle mass was my concern so I was still trying to get 300g of protein each day. My diet was cottage cheese, Greek yogurt, egg whites.
As long as you are training, eating enough protein your not going into too steep of a deficit you don’t need to worry about losing muscle.
If your having trouble getting below 15% then something is off. Taking gear is not gonna help here.
You keep quoting BF percentages, but unless you had a Dexa you’re probably not accurate at all. Post a faceless pic so we can assess. You may be leaner or you may not even be fit. How do we know?
Sure. This was me in September when scale was reading 224 pounds at 16.7% body fat. Around the time I started bulking. Something to note, I have been in the gym consistent for about two years now. My PRs are 365 squat, 255 bench, 500 deadlift. To get an idea for my strength. I know my physique is not the best, I remain humble. Going to try to cut down to 10% the best I can this time around. I don’t have a current photo of myself to assess.
No worries this helps. I didn’t ask to make or poke fun, this definitely does steer us in the direction that your numbers are off. So here you look much more than 16% and you’re now “less lean”.
I think maybe focusing less on BF %, via whatever mechanism you’re using, and more on the mirror will be helpful. As @RT_Nomad stated, I’d like to see you have some muscle separation as a goal before you start. That happens in the mid to lower teens depending on genetics. If you cycle now you’ll def gain some muscle and your shoulders will pop a bit, but you wont shed the excess BF which means you’d still need to cut and thereby lose the new tissue as your hormones go back to baseline. This is the reason we recommend cutting first and then using the gear.
Edit: I just noticed you said you already cycled and are on PCT. So since you’ve already messed with baseline another option, similar to what @s.gentz stated, is running a TRT level of Test while you cut. You’re going to have a hard time coming off PCT and cutting. I wouldn’t recommend that for a couple months at least. I’m a firm believer in letting new tissue settle before entering a cut.
I’m saying this with all due respect and with objectivity, having coached folks for over 2 decades, you look to be 20-22% bodyfat in this picture and in this light.
Key indicator is lack of any muscle separation across all muscle groups. You could be leaner from the back, but I can only estimate by what I see.
My suggestion would be drop the winny and clen, add reta, drop fat intake, moderate but very clean carbs, daily low level cardio like walking with a weight vest and drink a shitload of water. Also be sure you’re getting plenty of high quality sleep. A lot of folks miss the boat on the last one. High cortisol from lack of sleep will hurt muscle gain and kill fat loss.
Thank you for the response and suggestions. I work night shift 14 hours in a plant so I get about 20k steps a night. I am lacking on the sleep because I go to the gym after work in the mornings. But I try to catch up on it on my days off. I currently don’t do any additional cardio but I plan to everyday when I start the cut April 20th. My last cut I tried to avoid carbs completely, but I’m thinking about using potatoes or sweet potatoes this time? Instead of rice.
All I’ve been focusing on for the diet is getting high protein. Wasn’t concerned for calories because I’m bulking. I guess a Lee Priest point of view. Although I’m not Lee Priest lol. I’m definitely going to track during the cut and adjust as needed for results. Going to start around 2,000 calories.
I get wanting to have a calorie target for a cut.
What’s more important is to decide what is maintenance for you.
20k steps per day is probably around 1000 calories burned per day. Your metabolic need is probably another 2000. That’s 3k to maintain but what can dial that in is how many calories were you eating on your bulk? What was your weekly weight gain?
