I have a feeling I get a lot out of the leg drive here, which is why I’m likely to shy away from them as a main movement. I really like them for “head down, brute force” sessions though where the objective is to just work really really hard.
@T3hPwnisher @Cyrrex @Koestrizer I should probably start nutting up, getting hold of a pair of straps and working Kroc Rows back into the rotation in a big way. Now I’m lifting from home, and can load dumbbells as heavy as I want, I don’t have an excuse.
I am very much having this same internal debate with myself. I already have one or two bonus days each week, so it isn’t like I have an excuse not to.
I’m the biggest Kroc fanboy in the world, I have 2 “Kroc Rows” t-shirts that I bought in 2012, one of which I wore at my final powerlifting meet and I STILL wear them to this day. I’m re-reading the “Insane Training” book on my night shift right now.
…and I STILL don’t care for Kroc rows. I like to think I can generate a LOT of intensity in my training, but for the life of me, I’ve never been able to do 1 set of rows in the manner Kroc describes and feel like I actually gave it my all and got a full workout out of it. I’ve always had better luck sticking with a more traditional DB row with sets across vs the kroc row.
For me personally 45 kg between best strict and not strict.
Presumably because the more you do it, the wider that gap will be. Makes sense in my head, anyway.
I think you just found my excuse for me, happy days.
I’ve used them a few times previously, and they suck to do, no doubt about it, but I’ve not done them consistently enough to know how effective they are.
Definitely. Also maybe I just suck at strict press.
In absolute terms, you definitely do not suck at them. But we all have biases, things we train more and thus get better at.
Meh ur just good at cheaty leg drive. I’ll train to defeat ur strict press because push press doesn’t count
@Koestrizer ignore him
Piggy just jealous 
I’d say you are close anyway. Although my strict press has gotten better lately. Maybe because I’m actually training it lol.
Where’s it at rn? Going off high rep sets my E-1RM is a bit under 100kg. Dunno how accurate it is
Another supported row option is to take a couple steps away from the wall/support beam/rack/etc. and plant your butt against it. Still requires the back to work some, but it definitely shifts a good amount of the strain to your hamstrings. I’ve done these for bilateral DB rows only, I’m not sure you’d be able to mimic the position with a barbell.
Dunno. I think I am supposed to do 3x6 @ 77,5 kg this week.
Carries my man. Carries.
I’m told backs built by strongman are the way to go. What would be your go-to moves?
@guineapig @Koestrizer lucky I’m such a sexy man, or I’d be feeling pretty insecure about now.
A worthy opponent
Lol, it’s the one thing I ever get a compliment on. I like a lot of rotation in movements actually, and only tend to specialize when prepping for a competition.
That being said, my favorites are variations of front carries with objects like kegs, log (natural or man made), natural stones, etc. for max distance as opposed to max weight.
EDIT: an honorable mention to loading exercises as well.
I have tried them several times but honestly they feel terrible. I’d much rather do regular proper DB rows for my lats, or shrugs or carries for my traps, not this weird sloppy thing
@Cyrrex Meadows row, flaring the elbows a bit for more upper back. Seal rows, DB Rows, Power cleans and you’re golden.
Yeah, the DB rows and possible Meadows are going to find their way into my routine. Will have to think about the carries @TX_iron…have done lots of them in the past without serious upper back results. I still like them a lot, but I cannot fit everything in, because this is all on top of a pretty full 531 program.