I hit a minimum of 170g of protein a day, usually around 200g, 90% of which is whole food. At the minute I’m aiming for 2000 kcals a day, and being fairly disciplined with it. I have one cheat day a week and one low calorie day a week, and hit protein on both of those. I usually either skip the cheat day completely or make sure I scale portions down so I still hit targets.
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Lol better than me. Nvm good job
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Yeah, losing weight is “easy” for me. Gaining quality weight without turning into a big hairy pudding is where the challenge is.
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Dark horse and cake = lean gains.
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Deep Water is becoming a possibility, for sure. I think you mis-spelled pizza though.
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Do dark horse, I need some company! DW already has enough love on this board.
Pizza/cake why differentiate - have both!
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You forgot about the stress! PRs are essential motivation to continue 
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And YOU claim to have trouble controlling nutrition 
my snack yesterday was a tub of cream cheese 
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I don’t have big issues when I’m trying to lose weight, that’s “easy”, its gaining weight appropriately that’s an issue for me.
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Losing weight is so stupidly easy compared to gaining muscle. And its amazing how much that statement upsets people, haha.
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So gaining muscle without getting fat?
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Haha, yeah. Losing weight literally requires that you do nothing. Just sit there and don’t eat cake or pizza. Even start running or something. It only takes two weeks to get good at running.
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So you’re saying I have time and don’t need to start now then?
Disagree. Gaining some muscle is also easy, if you’re happy to look like the Michelin man. But yes, I 100% agree.
@anna_5588 some fat gain is inevitable, however when it comes to eating more, I have no brakes. When it comes to eating less, I have brakes because I don’t like being hungry.
You are definitely genetically blessed in that regard. I gotta train way harder to put on muscle vs to lose fat. Ride that out dude!
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I think I’ve miscommunicated there, because I’m far from genetically blessed. What I meant to suggest was that I can gain strength reliably by eating extremely excessive calories (which I find easy).
I tend to train with a similar intensity for both, which I suspect is probably why I have more luck losing than gaining.
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Oh yeah, I can move more weight on lifts by ballooning up, but when I talk about gaining muscle I mean actually adding muscle to the frame rather than seeing the lifts go up.
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I don’t have a reliable way to measure muscular size (because: fatty), so i tend to assume that familiar lifts going up equates to a measure of muscle being gained. I’m aware it isn’t quite accurate, but without breaking out the DEXA scanner, it will have to do.
Go by the press, and don’t rely on the squat. The squat rewards abdominal girth, while the press doesn’t reward it very much. The deadlift is finicky, because sometimes it gets better as you LOSE weight rather than gain it.
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That seems to play pretty neatly into my goals and plan anyway.
I wonder if its possible to overtrain pressing muscles?
I’ll find out with you.
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