1-Andro Cycle. (Newbie)

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Do you recall the dose you used? @flipcollar

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I believe m sten is on the lower end of the spectrumā€¦ maybe 30 or 40 mg?

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Okay so

Week 1-10 2x 250mg injections 1x Monday 1x Thursday + HCG Pregnyl 1000 IU a week (Should I do to week 12?)

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14-20 Nolvadex 20mg daily

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Yeah more or less, I would save the hcg until you need ball drop or are coming close to the end of a cycle

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I heard a study proved that using it 1000 IU a week will bring your test back quicker, Also I should do Adex because I get acne as it is.[quote=ā€œnorse_str3ngth, post:25, topic:227462ā€]
save the hcg until you need ball drop or are coming close to the end of a cycle
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Ok, but like most things grain of salt, if you look at the action hcg works rather quickly. But to each there own man.

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Man I admire your knowledge on AAS and the way you advertise newbies ( Iā€™m one of those).

Question:

I have been planing first cycle Iā€™ll stick with the basic Test-e 12w 500mg a week.
Where I live I only have access to Arimidex,Proviron and HCG, what would you say would be the best PCT that I could make out of these?

Thanks in advance man!

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Iā€™ll probably do Arimidex EOD 0.25mg, if they are in pills at 1mg do I cut them into quarters?

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None of those are pct drugs. But I believe proviron can be suppressive, so I would leave that out for sure. Iā€™ve never heard of it being used in pct. There are threads on HCG use on here, itā€™s also not a PCT drug, it serves a different function, mostly regarding fertility. I donā€™t use it because I donā€™t want any more kids, so I donā€™t know proper dosing. But there is plenty of discussion to read on it. And finally, adex can and should be used in conjunction with a proper pct drug, while being tapered in dose following your last week on cycle. So after a week of being off, cut your adex dose in half, then in half again the following week, and probably drop it the week after that.

So to clarify, you do not have access to either nolvadex (tamoxifen) or clomid? Those are the main options. Raloxifene can also be used. The drugs you listed will not effectively serve as a pct in any combination.

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You want aromasin. Not adex. Studies show an increase in test levels with aromasin. Clomid increases natural production of test aslo. Throw in some mk677 and you will be a happy camper!. No needles and nothing to hide. You will feel like you are on cycle and make some cycle like gains guaranteed.

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Dude. Did you not read his post? He said the things he has are all he has access to. And aside from this, the benefit of aromasin over adex is debatable. Cost is also a factor. No need to phrase this as an absolute.

And yes, clomid increases natural test production. Thatā€™s why itā€™s used for PCT.

Also: are you suggesting running clomid and mk677 INSTEAD of a steroid cycle, with the expectation of similar results? Thatā€™s fucking insane.

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Lol, I could probably find other sources, I have 3 possible links to people and thereā€™s websites and Iā€™d ask an experienced personā€¦ does this look fake?

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So I could probs do 1mg e3d if they come in 1mg tabs and at week 12 to 14 whilst waiting for the test to wear off go .5mg 12 then 13 .25mg?

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yep, thatā€™s exactly it.

Also your picture did not show up and will not show up. canā€™t do that on here.

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Well dude. I thought he said all he could get was clomid. I was suggesting using the clomid to get test levels in supraphysiilogical range. Im talking about not running a cycle. Im talking about using clomid and aromasin to raise natural test levels. Adex has not been studied to boost natural test production but may still work. Since clomid can raise test levels so high, estrogen will elevate via aromatise enzymes and an AI like adex may still be a good idea. Especially when using 50mg ed. Boodwork would confirm a need. But what I was saying was that aromasin would be another way to boost test levels naturally with clomid. As both have been shown to do so. I have seen bloodtest with over 1200 total test using clomid alone. I have heard of total test getting over 2400 doing my suggestion. And is what I recommend to guys on the fence about cycling or too young to be cycling.

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I heard the higher doses of PCT drugs like Clomid and Nolva can have a negative impact on E2, What would be the implications of using it long term?

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Also can I taper down the dose and will this get my natural test back even quicker with proper PCT, (and HCG on cycle)

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Thats why you run aromasin with it. But adex would work to control e2. I just like the idea of using aromasin since there have been studies showing increases in total test with it. But yes, high doses of clomid will increase e2. One because you are raising test levels above normal range and just like on cycle that will increase e2 levels, via the aromatise enzymes. And 2 because clomid acts as a mild estrogen agonist and can give you estrogen sides on its own. Best thing to do is get bloodwork to dial in AI when using higher doses of clomid(50mg ed or higher).

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Fuck it, Iā€™ll try it mate but how much should my doses be then?

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Also would boosting my test that way have a greater affect than Sarms