[quote]Edevus wrote:
I can have an overdose of water or carrots (Vitamin A), so I’m sure an overdose of steroids is possible.[/quote]
How? Death by oil abscess? Could you please list the patients who have died by “steroid overdose”?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I can have an overdose of water or carrots (Vitamin A), so I’m sure an overdose of steroids is possible.[/quote]
How? Death by oil abscess? Could you please list the patients who have died by “steroid overdose”?[/quote]
Can you make a list of people who have died for overdose of Vitamin A?
That doesn’t mean it’s not possible and it was not my point.
Without medical report there’s little to argue except on what we know…and it’s not much.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I can have an overdose of water or carrots (Vitamin A), so I’m sure an overdose of steroids is possible.[/quote]
How? Death by oil abscess? Could you please list the patients who have died by “steroid overdose”?[/quote]
Can you make a list of people who have died for overdose of Vitamin A?
That doesn’t mean it’s not possible and it was not my point.
Without medical report there’s little to argue except on what we know…and it’s not much. [/quote]
What we do know is the the effects of unmonitored steroid abuse are usually related to long term organ damage, and NOT immediate effects from one injection. They are usually taken intramuscularly, and even the oral steroids have effects related to long term use and not one dose immediate effects.
Once again, to even mention steroids here acting as if it s a risk you would HAVE to mention the other risks with an even greater chance at immediate harm which is why I mentioned TYLENOL.
Most people are unaware of the damage an OTC drug like Tylenol can cause…but every fucker with a tv thinks they know that steroids kill people instantly.
It is retarded pseudoscience and that is what I am responding to.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Well, if the family will not release the official report by the doctors then we can just speculate.[/quote]
I understand that, but blaming a substance whose effects are generally related to long term use and organ failure doesn’t even sound like it needs to be mentioned, especially in front of 'SAUNA, COKE, AND ALCOHOL", all of which CAN kill you very quickly depending on the circumstances.
By even adding in “steroids” you just add to the stigma…because you might as well add in Tylenol usage since we KNOW that can lead to internal organ damage.
Steroids are just a hot button topic that mass journalism and ignorance are turning into urban myths as far as actual effects.
It is like the same bullshit with acting like Barry Bond’s head grew because of GH use. Repeat it enough and it becomes “pop-truth”…which is a lie.[/quote]
I can have an overdose of water or carrots (Vitamin A), so I’m sure an overdose of steroids is possible. I wasn’t in the sauna, I don’t know the official research, but his friend said he was having steroids like candy and also did coke. There may be a fatal mix in all this. Maybe steroids did nothing, it was all the cocaine. Or who knows, that supposed heart disease, but right now, the only thing we have, is his friend talking about taking steroids like candy and a corpse in the sauna.
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That’s a flawed way of thinking about the concept of a drug overdose. Some substances (such as cannabis) require you to take in many times your own bodyweight before it can cause death.
Notice the lack of public outrage over 16,000 patients a year dying from NSAID use directly…and that is just the sufferers of arthritis.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I can have an overdose of water or carrots (Vitamin A), so I’m sure an overdose of steroids is possible.[/quote]
How? Death by oil abscess? Could you please list the patients who have died by “steroid overdose”?[/quote]
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/anabolic-steroid-overdose-cause-of-death/575/
One at least.
I’m not attacking steroids and I don’t care if someone does them or not. I have no interest in what happened to Zyzz besides curiosity. If he died from steroids or a heart disease makes no difference to me. One guy asked why he died, I gave the two reasons floating around, the official from his family and then what it can be taken from his friend. I have no idea the quality of the steroids he was taking and I think there’s an article in T-Nation that speaks about steroids in Bangkok and its quality.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
I can have an overdose of water or carrots (Vitamin A), so I’m sure an overdose of steroids is possible.[/quote]
How? Death by oil abscess? Could you please list the patients who have died by “steroid overdose”?[/quote]
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/anabolic-steroid-overdose-cause-of-death/575/
One at least.[/quote]
Dude, it’s me you are talking to. Do I really need to pick that apart for you or can you do it?
Let’s see:
TH FAMILY ASKED THE MEDICAL EXAMINER TO INCLUDE STEROIDS as a cause of death, even though the original cause was listed as: "an overdose of Xanax, Oxycontin (HELLO…BIG RED FLAG), and cocaine AGAIN.
The article itself accuses the facility of political bias and avoiding objective scientific knowledge.
Also, just to end this, I responded because you were spreading the same hyped up fiction that the rest of the world is spewing. This is why I avoid much broadcast tv and news channels. Quit believing everything you hear on Nancy Grace.
The official cause of death, the one that will stay in the records, includes what?
Doesn’t matter, as I said, that’s besides the topic all together. I won’t argue about it.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
The official cause of death, the one that will stay in the records, includes what?
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That’s the point…the one someone after real truth should be taking issue with. The family REQUESTED that it be included in spite of the medical examiner NOT doing so intially. Because of that type of political bias, you end up with a FALSE medical report that can now be used as “see, we had a death from steroid use” by politicians.
It is a lie.
Why aren’t you after the truth?
I have no idea who is Nancy Grace, but uhm, thanks for the tip?
This is being pushed into a “steroids are good/bad” argument that I have no interest on.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
The official cause of death, the one that will stay in the records, includes what?
Doesn’t matter, as I said, that’s besides the topic all together. I won’t argue about it.
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You are trying way too hard.
Lmao @ the one “steroid death” you came up with where the person used hella xanax bars and oxycontin… You aren’t going to find any steroid deaths because there are none… even the guy who was using 8mg of oral methyltrienolone ED died from other causes.
Bodybuilders only die from diuretic use.
[quote]Cimmerian wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
Well, it’s 4chan…
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Zyzz is (was) a 4chan troll?
Oh, well that’s all you needed to say.[/quote]
Wow…the guy is dead. Show some respect.
Last summer after a grueling workout I got the notion that a dip in our hot tub would be a good post-workout relaxer. Bad idea. I got in and sat for a while in the 105 degree water, in the blazing sun and heat of the day. After 15 minutes I felt really relaxed and sleepy. I had had enough and tried to get out. But it took every ounce of my strength to drag myself out of there. My arms and legs refused to cooperate. Once out, I felt completely drained and foggy in the head.
I’m convinced had I stayed in there longer I probably would have died. And I’m not on ANY drugs or steroids at all.
In the wrong situation, a hot tub alone can be a dangerous thing.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Last summer after a grueling workout I got the notion that a dip in our hot tub would be a good post-workout relaxer. Bad idea. I got in and sat for a while in the 105 degree water, in the blazing sun and heat of the day. After 15 minutes I felt really relaxed and sleepy. I had had enough and tried to get out. But it took every ounce of my strength to drag myself out of there. My arms and legs refused to cooperate. Once out, I felt completely drained and foggy in the head.
I’m convinced had I stayed in there longer I probably would have died. And I’m not on ANY drugs or steroids at all.
In the wrong situation, a hot tub alone can be a dangerous thing. [/quote]
I heard long blonde hair can cause death in a hot tub.
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
The official cause of death, the one that will stay in the records, includes what?
Doesn’t matter, as I said, that’s besides the topic all together. I won’t argue about it.
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You are trying way too hard.
Lmao @ the one “steroid death” you came up with where the person used hella xanax bars and oxycontin… You aren’t going to find any steroid deaths because there are none… even the guy who was using 8mg of oral methyltrienolone ED died from other causes.
Bodybuilders only die from diuretic use.[/quote]
I’m not even trying. A quick google check got me that. That’s what, 10 seconds?
As I said, I don’t want to argue about steroids. It’s not my business.
I think what folks are missing is that you do have “one thing in common” he is a person and he deserves some amount of respect being a person. He isn’t just an object that some find sad its life ends, this is a person with a soul that died.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I think what folks are missing is that you do have “one thing in common” he is a person and he deserves some amount of respect being a person. He isn’t just an object that some find sad its life ends, this is a person with a soul that died.[/quote]
I think we can discuss his death without being disrespectful.
[quote]Edevus wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Edevus wrote:
The official cause of death, the one that will stay in the records, includes what?
Doesn’t matter, as I said, that’s besides the topic all together. I won’t argue about it.
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You are trying way too hard.
Lmao @ the one “steroid death” you came up with where the person used hella xanax bars and oxycontin… You aren’t going to find any steroid deaths because there are none… even the guy who was using 8mg of oral methyltrienolone ED died from other causes.
Bodybuilders only die from diuretic use.[/quote]
I’m not even trying. A quick google check got me that. That’s what, 10 seconds?
As I said, I don’t want to argue about steroids. It’s not my business. [/quote]
A quick google search got you a death from cocaine oxycontin and xanax bars? and the guy happened to do steroids?
lmao…you wouldn’t be able to find shit if you tried…truth is, nobody would be able to…cause it doesn’t exist…
you hella dumb cuz
He wasn’t pointing at you. More at people like me, as I’m the one who pointed out that he serves a better purpose as a bad example than he did when he was breathing.
We weren’t trying to turn it into a “steroids are good/bad” debate. Just noting the fact that the media will turn a coincidence into a cause if it will get ratings.
It’s just like the PSA’s Lyle Alzedo did in the 80’s. HE was CONVINCED that steroids led to his brain cancer. He had no proof. No professional doctor or researcher backed up his claim. Nobody knew for sure. But HE was CONVINCED, so that made it real.